James Siakam now in 2010 Class and MU target

[Tugg Speedman]

With Newbill signing yesterday, we are officially out of schollies.

So, who is NOT asked back to make room for him?

[NCMUFan]

Guess this is a "In Buzz I trust"  Hopefully we aren't losing a valuable player to make way for him.  Don't want to speculate, but to get him we have to lose somebody.

[Jay Bee]

Oto Osenieks is another guy at Brehm that was looking like a 2011 that is now likely going to be a 2010.  6'8" Latvian that is more of a wing player... had a strong interest in UWGB prior to Coach K leaving... might be visiting the Twin Cities this weekend... don't know if he's a big Wardle fan, but who wouldn't be?  

Not someone MU would look at this year, but the points are (1) Brehm's got a number potential D1 guys and (2) reclassifying is not all that rare (especially for dudes from other countries).

[Blackhat]

With Newbill signing yesterday, we are officially out of schollies.

So, who is NOT asked back to make room for him?

SPECULATION is Mbao.   

[GGGG]

With Newbill signing yesterday, we are officially out of schollies.

So, who is NOT asked back to make room for him?

Have all incoming freshmen qualified?

[LA]

SPECULATION is Mbao.   

If by speculation you mean some dude on here saying that he talked to Mbao at a frat party then you are correct. Must this question be asked in every thread?? It will work itself out IF we even sign anyone else.

[4everwarriors]

With Newbill signing yesterday, we are officially out of schollies.

So, who is NOT asked back to make room for him?

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

[Tugg Speedman]

Did you just crawl out from under a rock?

No I get we have talked about this forever and ever.  In this thread it is not an abstraction.  Their is a name.

So, let's be blunt ... If Siakam comes and Mbao (or Ewill) go, has the team been improved?  Are you sure Siakim will be an improvement over a Mbao in 2 to 3 years?  

I'm not sure I can say Siakam is an upgrade.  He might be, he might not be.  So I would pass on him.

From what I've seen, I would pass on all names except Cothron ... and with him I'm still not sure we should send someone packing to make room for him.

A shot blocking, rebounding Mbao that only gets garbage points under the basket could be a huge addition to the rotation, more so than another 6' 6" athletic wing (unless that wing is clearly better than everyone else).  Given Mbao's potential, we cannot pass on him yet.

[wadefan#1]

With Newbill signing yesterday, we are officially out of schollies.

So, who is NOT asked back to make room for him?

Mbao will probably be the one to leave.

[4everwarriors]

What's interesting is there is now at least 4 potential new recruits in play for 2010. Is our entire roster going to turnover? Doubt it. I'd be surprised if more than 1 of these dudes actually enrolls at MU. I'm not so sure the one who does, however, will be taller than 6'6".

[GOMU1104]

What's interesting is there is now at least 4 potential new recruits in play for 2010. Is our entire roster going to turnover? Doubt it. I'd be surprised if more than 1 of these dudes actually enrolls at MU. I'm not so sure the one who does, however, will be taller than 6'6".

Just because there seems to be many offers out there, doesnt mean there

1) actually are that many out there

or

2) the ones that are out there are unconditioal

[NCMUFan]

The speculation on Mbao I think is unfair to him.  If I came into work and had something on my mind and wasn't all smiles, I would wish everyone at work wouldn't think I was leaving.  Speculation sucks,  I probably would want to leave Marquette to get away from an A hole fan base.

[Hards Alumni]

let me put it another way.

simply because we are in someone's final 3 does not mean we are as interested in them as they are in us.

got it folks?

[NotAnAlum]

This thread makes it sound like Buzz would make a decision to effectively "trade" one of these recruits for a current roster player like Mbao.  I doubt that is the case.  I've got to believe that Buzz knows that a 7'2" guy could be a game changer several seasons from now if he were to develop.  It far more likely that there are medical or personal issues that are not under Buzz's control that could strip him of one of his inside players and that he is trying to hedge that risk.  In other words its not about us choosing but the situation being forced on us and having a backup plan.

[Dawson Rental]

No I get we have talked about this forever and ever.  In this thread it is not an abstraction.  Their is a name.

So, let's be blunt ... If Siakam comes and Mbao (or Ewill) go, has the team been improved?  Are you sure Siakim will be an improvement over a Mbao in 2 to 3 years?  

I'm not sure I can say Siakam is an upgrade.  He might be, he might not be.  So I would pass on him.

From what I've seen, I would pass on all names except Cothron ... and with him I'm still not sure we should send someone packing to make room for him.

A shot blocking, rebounding Mbao that only gets garbage points under the basket could be a huge addition to the rotation, more so than another 6' 6" athletic wing (unless that wing is clearly better than everyone else).  Given Mbao's potential, we cannot pass on him yet.

To be blunt, I prefer Buzz to you as Marquette's coach.  So If he wants to cut Otule and Mbao and replace them with Mo Acker clones, I'll accept that until he shows that he doesn't know what he's doing, which hasn't happened yet.  I'm not saying that no one can have a differing opinion, but at least I prefer to wait until we know for sure what he's going to do to question his choices.  I know its the off season and slow, but arguing against choices that we're speculating that Buzz might make, just seems like so much mental masturbation to me.

[GGGG]

This thread makes it sound like Buzz would make a decision to effectively "trade" one of these recruits for a current roster player like Mbao.  I doubt that is the case.  I've got to believe that Buzz knows that a 7'2" guy could be a game changer several seasons from now if he were to develop.  It far more likely that there are medical or personal issues that are not under Buzz's control that could strip him of one of his inside players and that he is trying to hedge that risk.  In other words its not about us choosing but the situation being forced on us and having a backup plan.

I think though that it seems pretty clear that Buzz is recruiting for a reason - that someone is either leaving or not coming here at all.  We are speculating who is leaving based upon nothing but conjecture.

[Dawson Rental]

I think though that it seems pretty clear that Buzz is recruiting for a reason - that someone is either leaving or not coming here at all.  We are speculating who is leaving based upon nothing but conjecture.

Exactly.

speculating who is leaving based upon nothing but conjecture

This was fun for a while, but its really starting to get old.  We really just don't know, so its time to wear our patience caps for a while.  IMHO

[brewcity77]

I know we hate to discuss guys paying their own way, but....this guy is looking at Harvard!?! That means he probably has the academics to pull down some scholarship money for his grades, and he is prepared to go to school and pay his own way. Harvard is an Ivy League school, which means no athletic scholarships. I'm not saying he would necessarily come here and play without a scholarship, but if he's willing to go to Harvard, that is a guarantee that a scholarship is not a requirement for him when it comes to making his collegiate decision.

[Tugg Speedman]

Since we are out of schollies it has to be a two sided deal.  We love to speculate endlessly about who may be signed but everyone recoils at the discussion about who may go.  Sorry guys, we are at the limit, so someone either has to go or someone is leaving.  What's wrong with talking about that?

Regarding this being unfair to Mbao, their is an easy fix ... he can walk into Buzz's office and ask him.  I assume he has and Buzz told him he's welcomed back.  I assume Ewill did the same and he's being asked back as well.  Buzz's recruiting makes it seem like someone is leaving, or will be asked to leave.

[GGGG]

I know we hate to discuss guys paying their own way, but....this guy is looking at Harvard!?! That means he probably has the academics to pull down some scholarship money for his grades, and he is prepared to go to school and pay his own way. Harvard is an Ivy League school, which means no athletic scholarships. I'm not saying he would necessarily come here and play without a scholarship, but if he's willing to go to Harvard, that is a guarantee that a scholarship is not a requirement for him when it comes to making his collegiate decision.

If you have a family income of less than $60K, you don't pay a dime to go to Harvard.  Furthermore, they'd find a way to get a top level basketball player some type of scholarship.

[4everwarriors]

I know we hate to discuss guys paying their own way, but....this guy is looking at Harvard!?! That means he probably has the academics to pull down some scholarship money for his grades, and he is prepared to go to school and pay his own way. Harvard is an Ivy League school, which means no athletic scholarships. I'm not saying he would necessarily come here and play without a scholarship, but if he's willing to go to Harvard, that is a guarantee that a scholarship is not a requirement for him when it comes to making his collegiate decision.

Yes, the Ivies don't give athletic scholarships. But, the athletes are commonly recipients of grants-in-aid which essentially serve the same purpose. Just a matter of semantics.

[bilsu]

Since we are out of schollies it has to be a two sided deal.  We love to speculate endlessly about who may be signed but everyone recoils at the discussion about who may go.  Sorry guys, we are at the limit, so someone either has to go or someone is leaving.  What's wrong with talking about that?

Regarding this being unfair to Mbao, their is an easy fix ... he can walk into Buzz's office and ask him.  I assume he has and Buzz told him he's welcomed back.  I assume Ewill did the same and he's being asked back as well.  Buzz's recruiting makes it seem like someone is leaving, or will be asked to leave.

It really is a matter of perception. I think we all fill differently about a player being asked to leave and a player deciding to leave. The trouble is we often do not know the true story. Also if a player is asked to leave, we often do not know why, which leaves to speculation. The Hazel case is a perfect example of this. I really do not have a problem with a player being asked to leave if he breaks a well known rule or is just plain disruptive to to the team. It still is not clear to me, whether Maymon's father pulled Maymon or Buzz got fed up and told him to leave. I do not think it was Maymon's decision to leave and probably was a victim of a pissing match between Maymon's father and Buzz. Either way the whole thing was becoming disruptive and had to be resolved.I like Eric Williams and Mbao and hope they both stay. However, one of them might transfer becausethey do not see an opportunity to play here. If that is their choice, I am fine with that. I would not be fine with Buzz saying I can get a better player and ask them to transfer. However, if Williams had been an absolute stud his freshmen year, I do not think he would have felt guilty turning pro, so i guess it goes both ways.

[MUBurrow]

If Siakam comes and Mbao (or Ewill) go, has the team been improved?

I've been following the Mbao drama on here, but is there any speculation/reason to believe that EWill might go, or is that solely speculation?  I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I would just be remarkably disappointed to see EWill go (no offense to Mbao, I'm excited to see what kind of player he becomes if he goes too)  EWill is so new, and presumably raw.  To see him go would sort of highlight what we've talked about with our shallow depth of young big men never really getting a chance to mature and grow at their own pace.

[PBRme]

+1
Really think EWill has a future on the team

[Hards Alumni]

I've been following the Mbao drama on here, but is there any speculation/reason to believe that EWill might go, or is that solely speculation?  I'm not trying to call you out or anything, I would just be remarkably disappointed to see EWill go (no offense to Mbao, I'm excited to see what kind of player he becomes if he goes too)  EWill is so new, and presumably raw.  To see him go would sort of highlight what we've talked about with our shallow depth of young big men never really getting a chance to mature and grow at their own pace.

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