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Next up: A long offseason

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Josey Wales

PG: Junior
SG: Vander
WG: DJO
PF: Jimmy
C: Otule

First off the bench: Dwight, Crowder, Smith, Fulce, Jones, Ewill, Yous, Newbill

I really wish the situations with Liam and Clark would have worked out.

PG: I think junior will start because of his experience and game management, but smith has the tools to get into the lane at will, and be a lock-down on ball defender (see Wash today). Junior will start, but I could see smith getting 20 minutes by the end of the year (15 at PG, 5 at SG) as buzz molds him into a PG.

SG: Vander is a starter from the day he steps on campus. I know buzz favors the vets, but vander has too much raw talent to not have him on the floor. He will be spelled by buycks, and hopefully Newbill can slowly develop into a great bench/high energy/unselfish player.

WG: DJO keeps his current role, slasher/shooter. His defense will improve, and his nack to disappear on offense will become less noticeable with a year of experience. We will go "big" by sliding DJO to the two and putting in Jones/butler at the three. Jones will be a three point specialist, and can hopefully learn to guard opposing SF's.

PF: Jimmy keeps his current role, but he will have more chances to slide down to the three with crowder, otule, fulce, erik, and yous playing better. I'm not sure who will be the backups for the PF and C positions, but I know it will come down to Crowder/Fulce. Also, Erik will see more minutes after Todd's off season program gives the kid some ups and explosiveness.

C: Otule will start, just like he was going to the game after he got hurt.  He will play anywhere from 10 to 25 minutes depending on the matchup. Crowder will get time here, along with erik, fulce, and yous. Yous really should have red-shirted this year and gotten on a massive eating/lifting program.

If everything goes to plan (no major injuries/transfers, which it almost definitely will not), we will be playing 10-11 deep.
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CTWarrior

Quote from: Squawking Chickens on March 18, 2010, 11:07:10 PM
If everything goes to plan (no major injuries/transfers, which it almost definitely will not), we will be playing 10-11 deep.


I'll believe that when I see it.  Buzz strikes me as a ride your best players as long as you can kind of coach.  Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is the way it is.

I'm not a optimistic as most on this board about next season.  Cadougan is going to have to play awfully well for us to be as good as we were this season, and that is probably the minimum requirement for the NCAAs, as this was a "historically weak bubble."  I know the lack of interior players has burt us the last few years, but not having a quality PG would kill us. 

The only guys I know we can count on to be quality players are Butler and DJO.  Everyone else is a question mark.  Some of those question marks will turn out to be good, and some won't.  The ratio of good to bad will mean everything, and I don't know how anybody could know now what that will be.  I do have confidence in Buzz, but the fruits of his labor may be another year away.
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Shanunu

Quote from: CTWarrior on March 18, 2010, 11:22:55 PM
The only guys I know we can count on to be quality players are Butler and DJO. 

Don't forget Fulce. He was great off the bench this year. I'm not saying he's going to be solid enough to start, but he showed some flashes and his rebounding and jump shooting ability will be quite handy next year.

jaygall31

like the lineup. Vander's gotta start, right?
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injuryBug

I do not understand all the questions about Junior.  The guy was supposed to start for us this year and many were annointing him as the next great PG at MU.  He got hurt and plays 4 minutes per game and everyone is down on him??  Junior will be fine

SaveOD238

Quote from: CTWarrior on March 18, 2010, 11:22:55 PM
The only guys I know we can count on to be quality players are Butler and DJO. 

so where were they in the second half today?  I dont trust ANYONE on next year's team.  I'll believe it when I see it.

CrazyEcho

Next year I think we go:

Junior at 1
DJO at 2
Butler at 3
Fulce at 4
Otule at 5

I think Blue sees significant minutes and comes on strong at the end of the year (kind of like Fulce this year and Butler last year)

flash

Next year's starters in my opinion

G-Junior Cadougan
G- Vander Blue
G- DJO
F- Butler
F- Fulce

I think Otule might start right away but this will be the starting lineup eventually.  Buzz has shown that he lies to go with experience.  I highly doubt Newbill, Smith, EWill, and Mbao will see any significant minutes next year.  That leaves a bench of Buycks, Crowder, and Otule.  I'm guessing we will have an 8 man rotation.

Markusquette

I can't accurately predict anything (not like any of us can), and I think the fact that DJO impressed so many this year will make it so hard to really choose who might be our most significant freshmen contributors next year.

It seems like the majority of us can only base it off of website ratings/rankings, youtube videos, a few game films and then reports from people who have actually been able to watch these guys.  From what I have seen, we have good talent coming in but honestly I have no clue what ranking our guards will be aside from DJO.  Vander obviously seems to be a nice player to have, but some say that Newbill is also very talented.  I'm just excited to see them all compete and see some surprises.  I think we see an early lineup of:

Cadougan
DJO
Buycks
Butler
Fulce

and the lineup will shift around as the early season progresses.  If someone like Vander steps up, he could replace Buycks and if Otule keeps progressing I could see him replacing Fulce at center.  But hell, my prediction is as good/bad as anyone else and it's hard to believe I am doing this again because it feels like just yesterday we were all predicting this years lineup. 

77ncaachamps

I believe Junior will be coming off the bench next year.

He may be ready to *play* PG but not ready to lead the team during game situations.

Plus, his shot is NOWHERE near where it should be to help this team. He struggled in warm-ups and has not shown a consistent jumper all year long (from what I have seen in videos and game footage).
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willie warrior

Quote from: CrazyEcho on March 18, 2010, 11:41:31 PM
Next year I think we go:

Junior at 1
DJO at 2
Butler at 3
Fulce at 4
Otule at 5

I think Blue sees significant minutes and comes on strong at the end of the year (kind of like Fulce this year and Butler last year)
No way with Fulce. He is at best a role player
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GOMU1104

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 19, 2010, 01:37:43 AM
I believe Junior will be coming off the bench next year.

He may be ready to *play* PG but not ready to lead the team during game situations.

Plus, his shot is NOWHERE near where it should be to help this team. He struggled in warm-ups and has not shown a consistent jumper all year long (from what I have seen in videos and game footage).

If JR is coming off the bench, who is the starting PG?  Hes he only pure PG on the roster next year.

GGGG

Quote from: jaygall31 on March 18, 2010, 11:35:36 PM
like the lineup. Vander's gotta start, right?


I don't think so, at least not at the beginning of the year.  My guess is Otule, Butler, DJO, Junior and Buycks.

MerrittsMustache

#13
Quote from: GOMU1104 on March 19, 2010, 07:26:17 AM
If JR is coming off the bench, who is the starting PG?  Hes he only pure PG on the roster next year.

Mbao occasionally played the point on D. He can probably do it on O too.

Projection...
G: Cadougan
G: DJO
G: Buycks
F: Butler
C: Otule

Bench Contributors: Fulce, Blue, Williams, Crowder, Jones
End of the Bench: Newbill, Mbao, Smith, Frozena?

I think we'll see Fulce start instead of Otule from time to time. He also may start in place of Buycks with JB moving to the 3 in a more traditional line-up. We may even see EWill in the starting line-up later in the season. He is a VERY talented player. He just needs to put on some bulk, gain some confidence and feel more comfortable playing D1 basketball. Generally speaking, players make their most significant improvements between their freshman and soph years.

Vander is going to be a very talented player and there's a chance he'll be a starter before the season is over, but I think some fans are going to be disappointed if they expect him to waltz in and be a major contributor from day 1. Very few freshmen arrive on campus ready to contribute. There are going to be some bumps in the road for him and there might even be games where he sees limited minutes, especially since there are two more experienced 2-guards already on the roster.

Jones could be like Jimmy Butler last year - play a few minutes early in the season and then really come on late as a "garbage man" on an undersized team. Newbill and Smith probably won't see a lot of action right away but should contribute down the road.

Aughnanure

Quote from: warriorsforever on March 18, 2010, 11:51:02 PM
Next year's starters in my opinion

G-Junior Cadougan
G- Vander Blue
G- DJO
F- Butler
F- Fulce

I think Otule might start right away but this will be the starting lineup eventually.  Buzz has shown that he lies to go with experience.  I highly doubt Newbill, Smith, EWill, and Mbao will see any significant minutes next year.  That leaves a bench of Buycks, Crowder, and Otule.  I'm guessing we will have an 8 man rotation.

You're right that we won't have a 10+ rotation at all.....but you did forget about Jamail Jones. I actually think EWill and Jones can get some time because of their height and athleticism, and if either one can play any defense then they will definitely get opportunities.

The startking lineup might not even be the most used lineup, so who knows...I think you could see these lineups a lot next year though.

1. Junior, Blue, Butler, Crowder, Otule/Fulce
2. Junior, DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder/Fulce
3. DJO, Blue, Butler, Crowder, Fucle
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lab_warrior

Buzz likes the experienced guys, so next year, our lineup will probably be
PG Cadougan
G DJO
G Buycks
F Butler
F Fulce

Big minutes/rotation:  Vander Blue*, OTule, EWill, Crowder
Short stretches:  Reggie Smith, Newbill, Mbao

*I could see Blue cracking the starting lineup if he's a capable point.

NCMUFan

I agree with the folks who took the experienced players:

Junior
DJO
Buycks
Butler
Fulce/Otule/Erik Williams.

First off the bench:  Blue, Crowder, Jamil Jones.

I really think Junior and Erik Williams will receive some Stud of the Game honors next year.  They have the talent, just need to increase their confidence and experience.

Tulsa Warrior

#17
I've watch Crowder play six games now and believe he can play four different positions for Marquette. (not all at the same time  ;D)  That will give Buzz some interesting flexiability.

Otule has not proven he can stay healthy for an entire season and is still a huge question mark.  Mbao gave Marquette an interesting look playing high on defense.  Long arms and quick.  Still needs muscle and some pounds.

Jones may need time to get his body D1 ready.  Blue won't be 18 until the first semester. (growing up, no knock but don't we all and he faces more self imposed pressure than any of us.)

I prefer to talk playing rotation.  Buzz has talked about recruiting guys who are ready to contribute.  Practices and depth will help this team.  Leadership questions?

Guards to rely on: DJO, Buycks, Cadougan (junior will be fine if he's healthy -- look what he did in the last off season if you have any questions about work ethic.)  Crowder can play in the backcourt if Buzz wants to put more size on the court.

Off season will be huge for this team.  Need to get the freshman on campus and working.

So far it looks like Crowder will be the biggest new contributor based on maturity and background.  The freshman?  Blue based on resume alone but who knows?  I think Buzz will do a lot of mix and matching with curveball match ups to confuse the opposition.  He will have a number of players who can play multiple positions.  

The starters will be dictated by match ups.


GB Warrior

I expect Crowder to come in and start early. We'll need his presence and strength down low, even if he's only 6'6" again. It's anyone's guess for who's manning the point next year - whether you have Junior, Buycks or Reggie, you're probably going to see a lot of turnovers.

lab_warrior

Just realized I totally forgot about Jumail Jones.  I'd lump him in with the fewer minutes group, although pretty much all of these guys we're bringing in have some serious athleticism and upside.  We might get off to a rocky start, but this group could be fantastic in 2011.  Next year, it will be absolutely critical that Butler, Buycks, and DJO bring it every game, consistently--they have to be the Mo-Cubes-Lazar of next year's team.

THEbig0

I thought Buycks made some great looking plays yesterday, and has all year, especially when his jumper was falling.  Personally I expect him to be the breakout player, along with Joe Fulce, next year.  That is my prediction.  Buzz will help them get a "killer instinct" this summer and that's all they need.

WISportsmaniac

IMHO I think Buycks has the skills to have a surprising year like Mo did this year (not at the point, but overall). At times I think he was scared to shoot and deferred to the better scorers like Lazar, Jimmy, Cubi, and DJO in big moments. He had some flashes though- he gets blocked too much inside and needs to be more comfortable shooting jumpers- but he can slash and score. I think when Buzz asks him to take a leadership role he will be a pleasant surprise for us all.   

AlumKCof93

I thought Buycks was up and down this year, but his development will be key to the team next year.  If we can start the season with Jr, Buycks and DJO as the guards and Butler at the 4, we could be OK.  That would allow the younguns to develop.  But my guess is next year is the rebuilding year.
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RawdogDX

EWill will be the surprise MIP player on the team next year.

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