And some think MU fans are sensitive??

[Hards Alumni]

I disagree - Reggie White NEVER would have gone to Green Bay if Brett Farve weren't there.  I would say that Reggie White was huge in further resurrecting Green Bay, but Farve was the catalyst.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[MUEng92]

when the guy played his A$$ for 16 years...

It's funny you phrase it that way, because when I hear people talk about not understanding why Packer fans are so anti-Favre, I have a similar response.

Packer fans kissed Favre's A$$ for 16 years, named a street after him, named their children after him, redecorated there basements with his merchandise...then he used that A$$ to take a dump on Packer fans.

Granted, I personally only had a Favre autographed 1993 Packer Yearbook on my wall and I always felt uncomfortable when I would hear stories of fans naming their children after him (or any sports figure), but nevertheless, for many, the feelings for him were beyond just liking him as a player (I mean that in a non-man-crush way).  Based on basically every interview Favre did in the 16 years in GB, fans believed the feeling was mutual.

Favre made it abundantly clear, that it was actually a one sided story and his side was the only important one to him.  That is his right.  But, the price he pays for that right is to cash in all of the "capitol" he had built up with Packer fans.  Life goes on!  Come 2025 when he has finally been retired for 5 years, will see if the hard feelings have subsided so his number can be retired.

[NersEllenson]

You couldn't be more wrong.

Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay.  Reggie White flat out said this.  Reggie played what, 4 years in GB?  Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years?  Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.

[Moonboots]

Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay.  Reggie White flat out said this.  Reggie played what, 4 years in GB?  Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years?  Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.

A few things... to those disagreeing with the above, it's correct.  Reggie specifically cited a game his Eagles played against the Packers in 1992 where Favre was hit early and often, I think even breaking a rib.  He played through and beat the Eagles.  Reggie never forgot it, and said it was a determining factor (along with the direction of the program, the facilities, and the biggest contract ever given to a defensive player) that aided in his decision to come to GB.

As far as us hyper-sensitive Packer fans... guilty as charged.  I always enjoy seeing the Vikings lose, regardless of who their QB is. 

Was there a little extra pleasure in the fact that the team was QBed by a guy who jerked my franchise around after retirement, then somehow weaseled his way out of New York for the purpose of playing for a divisional rival? Sure, maybe a little.  But we were all too familiar with his tendency to amp himself up too much late in playoff games, even after a great regular season. Heck, I was present the last time it happened before last night.

I'm curious as to why any Packer fan SHOULDN'T feel relieved that a guy who was the face of their franchise for 16 years failed to lead a primary rival to a Super Bowl.  The inverse would worry me even more.  That would be apathy.

[Hards Alumni]

Actually, if Reggie White saying so himself - that Brett Farve was the reason he chose Green Bay - I don't know what more you could be looking for, as far as why Reggie White chose to come to Green Bay.  Reggie White flat out said this.  Reggie played what, 4 years in GB?  Farve 16, and in his 16 years only 1 losing season - prior to Farve's arrival only 1 or 2 winning season in the previous 20 years?  Sorry - but You couldn't be more wrong.

Except that without Reggie White, we cannot and do not even compete for a Super Bowl.  He played for GB for SIX seasons, not four.  He was unequivocally the team leader for those 6 seasons.  Brett Favre was a great player, but Reggie was the TEAM until the Superbowl win.

[StillAWarrior]

Watching the game Sunday, I came to the conclusion that Brett Favre stole my childhood.  I grew up in Colorado, but my mom was from Minnesota.  I grew up a Vikings fan in the era of Tarkenton, Rashad, Foreman, Eller, Marshall, etc.  Even though as I grew up I became more of a Broncos fan (and eventually Cleveland, where I live now), I always had a fondness for the Vikings and rooted for them against pretty much any other team.

On Sunday, I found myself rooting for the Saints because I'm so sick of Favre.  So, that's why I decided that Brett Favre stole my childhood. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Except that without Reggie White, we cannot and do not even compete for a Super Bowl.  He played for GB for SIX seasons, not four.  He was unequivocally the team leader for those 6 seasons.  Brett Favre was a great player, but Reggie was the TEAM until the Superbowl win.

They don't reach the superbowl without both of them.

Realistically, both players are rare talents.

Reggie was the top lineman of his generation, and maybe the best ever. He was the anchor for those teams.

Brett is one of the best ever (let's not get into the rankings, let's just agree that he's certainly in the conversation).

Longevity is the thing that jumps out to me. It's unbelievably rare to find a QB that could play at Brett's level for 16 seasons, so I have to give the edge to Favre (as far as overall importance to the franchise). Look at the # of QBs other teams drafted, signed, started and failed while Brett just kept plugging along. Even at 38 (in 2007), he was still one of the best in the league.

Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.

[Moonboots]

They don't reach the superbowl without both of them.

Realistically, both players are rare talents.

Reggie was the top lineman of his generation, and maybe the best ever. He was the anchor for those teams.

Brett is one of the best ever (let's not get into the rankings, let's just agree that he's certainly in the conversation).

Longevity is the thing that jumps out to me. It's unbelievably rare to find a QB that could play at Brett's level for 16 seasons, so I have to give the edge to Favre (as far as overall importance to the franchise). Look at the # of QBs other teams drafted, signed, started and failed while Brett just kept plugging along. Even at 38 (in 2007), he was still one of the best in the league.

Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.

Um, at 40 (in 2009), he was still one of the best in the league.

[mu-rara]

I had the same reaction to Favre's INT as I did to Garry Andersen's kick in '98.  It was great. I loved it for a few hours.  Then, I forgot about it.

The reason to hate the Vikings is idiot fans like JB. (by the way, are you JayHoMo on the Sportsbubbler) They come onto Forums taunting Packer fans, but can't fill their own stadium for a playoff game.  When the team stinks, they are nowhere to be found.

I have no particular hatred for Favre, but I can say that I'm glad his legacy won't  be connected to the Vikings 1st SB win.

[ATWizJr]

Glad they lost.
Glad Favre reverted to form.
Favre being knocked around.....gravy!

[MU B2002]

The reason to hate the Vikings is idiot fans like JB. (by the way, are you JayHoMo on the Sportsbubbler) They come onto Forums taunting Packer fans, but can't fill their own stadium for a playoff game.  When the team stinks, they are nowhere to be found.

I may be in the minority, but I thought Jay Bee brought some life to the NFC North pissing match this year.  Did he say inflammatory things to rile up others (especially GB Fans), yes.  Did he talk excessively about the NFC North Consensus Champs the Vikes? Yes.  Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.



Edit: Bears fan.

[reinko]

 Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.

So when are you flying down to Miami for the big game?

Wait....

[mu-rara]

I may be in the minority, but I thought Jay Bee brought some life to the NFC North pissing match this year.  Did he say inflammatory things to rile up others (especially GB Fans), yes.  Did he talk excessively about the NFC North Consensus Champs the Vikes? Yes.  Did Favre and the rest of the Purple Peter Eaters back up his words? Yes.

In my experience, guys like JayBee are all over their team when they win, and nowhere to be found later on.

[MU B2002]

So when are you flying down to Miami for the big game?

Wait....

His prediction on winning the North, not the Superbowl.  I should have clarified.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

In my experience, guys like JayBee are all over their team when they win, and nowhere to be found later on.

While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.

I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.

Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?

[tower912]

As one who only lived in Wisconsin for 4 years, am I the only one who suspects an overlap between Packers fans and Badger fans?    Who, BTW, are far more sensitive than MU fans.   Althought I am sure there is also an overlap between MU fans and Packer fans, just not as extensive.   

[LON]

While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.

I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.

Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?

JayBee's comments/digs at Packers fans make me laugh and he didn't seem to hide when they lost games, I thought he added a nice dynamic to the North pissing match.

Note:  I am a Packers fan

[Hards Alumni]

Reggie was fantastic and helped re-ignite the Packer franchise (super important), but it was Brett that carried the franchise from 1999-2007 after Reggie was gone.

This is exactly what I said originally.  I am not dismissing Favre, but to say he was sole catalyst is... wrong.

[mu-rara]

While I don't necessarily agree with JB's style, he was right quite often, and posted in the NFC north thread even after losses.

I don't think you posted at all in the NFC north thread (I could be wrong, and feel free to share with me if I am) and now you post in this thread only after the Vikes lose.

Isn't that exactly what you are accusing JB of?

I was specifically talking about all the fans disguised as empty seats in the Dump when the Vikes are having a normal season (10-6, 9-7 or worse).  If JB attends when the Vikes are less than stellar, then I am wrong in singling him out.

You may be correct.  I may not have posted in this thread.  MU Basketball is my primary interest.  Wasn't aware of the posting restriction.  

I admit a little (all right, a lot) of schadenfreude (sp)? when it comes to obnoxious (JB is obnoxious, you aren't) Viking fans.  I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's).  JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This is exactly what I said originally.  I am not dismissing Favre, but to say he was sole catalyst is... wrong.

Totally fair.

I think they both were the catalysts, and I have to give Brett a good amount of extra credit for longevity.

[MU B2002]

 I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's).  JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.  

FWIW, this isn't a Packers board.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I was specifically talking about all the fans disguised as empty seats in the Dump when the Vikes are having a normal season (10-6, 9-7 or worse).  If JB attends when the Vikes are less than stellar, then I am wrong in singling him out.

Fine, but it seemed like you were talking about message boards because you even mentioned him being on another board. As far as attending games, that doesn't really have anything to do with JB's ability to be a fan or credibility.

You may be correct.  I may not have posted in this thread.  MU Basketball is my primary interest.  Wasn't aware of the posting restriction.  

No restrictions. JB wasn't hiding when they lost, and it seems like as soon as you had something to pound your chest about, you ran to the keyboard to call him out. Where were you when the Packers lost to the Vikings? You were reading the threads, but not posting. Seems hypocritical, no?

I admit a little (all right, a lot) of schadenfreude (sp)? when it comes to obnoxious (JB is obnoxious, you aren't) Viking fans.  I don't frequent Viking boards when the Packers are better, (most years since the 70's).  JB should be able to take it as well as he dishes it out.  

No problem. Enjoy it. It's the nature of rivalries. For the record, the Vikes were a LOT better than the Packers in the 80's as well.

[LON]

Everyone was a lot better than the Packers in the 80s

[The Lens]

Reggie White came to the Packers because God told him to, in other words the Packers out bid everyone.  It was all about money.  If you don't know that, you didn't know Reggie.

Reggie won the Super Bowl for GB (Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson all signed on b/c of Big Dog)
Favre kept GB relevant for 15 great years.

The latter might be more impressive.

Finally, the Vikings, to me, are such a half @ss organization.  Right down to having to essentially steal the Packers signature QB to be win big, if Favre retires, where does this leave them?  They never, ever go above and beyond.  Always looking for short cuts.  Hershel Walker is another prime example.  My favorite anedote from this past week was Chris Kluwe going to the Metrodome to practice b/c the Viking facilities do not allow for full punting.  Upon getting there Kluwe was met by dirt everywhere for a Monster Truck show.  Strong organizations pour money into facilities. 

Even with Favre not all games were sure fire sell outs.  That is absurd to me.  They have fair weather fans and fair weather owners.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Reggie White came to the Packers because God told him to, in other words the Packers out bid everyone.  It was all about money.  If you don't know that, you didn't know Reggie.

Reggie won the Super Bowl for GB (Keith Jackson, Sean Jones, Santana Dotson all signed on b/c of Big Dog)
Favre kept GB relevant for 15 great years.

The latter might be more impressive.

Finally, the Vikings, to me, are such a half @ss organization.  Right down to having to essentially steal the Packers signature QB to be win big, if Favre retires, where does this leave them?  They never, ever go above and beyond.  Always looking for short cuts.  Hershel Walker is another prime example.  My favorite anedote from this past week was Chris Kluwe going to the Metrodome to practice b/c the Viking facilities do not allow for full punting.  Upon getting there Kluwe was met by dirt everywhere for a Monster Truck show.  Strong organizations pour money into facilities. 

Even with Favre not all games were sure fire sell outs.  That is absurd to me.  They have fair weather fans and fair weather owners.

I agree with most of the above, but unfortunately, that's the team I'm stuck with.

Back in 1975 you could probably swap "vikings" and "packers" and it would be accurate.

How did things change?

The Packers "stole" Reggie and discovered Favre. Without those 2 guys Wolf and Holmgren wouldn't never have been able to accomplish what they did... but I have to give them credit for getting those two guys.