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For most players, even some of the top ones, it takes time to relate to the speed of Division I ball. If he plays, Cadougan will have to learn in the toughest environment on our schedule -- Big East play.

Can he penetrate at this level? Can he make those passes out of the lane when the players are 6'9'' instead of the 6'4'' ones he saw in high school? Can he understand the spacing of the offense coming in cold? Can he understand that turning up the tempo in high school is different then when to turn it up in college?

These are the questions Buzz will ask and answer before he decides whether to let the Bulldog roam the court.

Normally, I'd say we're at risk of losing Acker or Cubillan mentally if Cadougan comes back. Not that the Bulldog would play 25 minutes straight away but imagine being in their shoes and the coach decides to play a kid who's never seen the court in college -- and does it in the heart of Big East play.

But those two are seniors and both have been to hell and back in the program and are very strong. I think both realize they have 20 games left in their careers and anything that helps the team is good. Besides, it may also serve to free up their minds a bit and let them play at their relaxed best.

First off, you play your best players.  This isn't middle school where you worry about player's feelings.  These are grown men, treat them like them.

Secondly, the BEAST is down this year... and we play an especially easy schedule from here on out. 

Thirdly, it isn't as if JC has been sitting on his butt and not doing anything basketball related.  He works out everyday and I am sure there is plenty of things he can do to keep pace.  I realize that there is nothing like being on the court at full speed, but lets be real here.  He is working every day with a trainer.  There is no way he is out of shape.

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By the time he gets in real game shape, too much of the season will have passed for it to be worthwhile.   Don't kill a year of eligibility for a few months of so-so play. 

I fear this too.  Hopefully there's a little more thought put into the decision than healthy + want to play = play, when "play" means 4 minutes of garbage time every other game because he's still coming off a bad injury and he's only got a few days of practice time in at this level and cannot yet earn meaningful minutes.  Hopefully he only plays if he can earn some meaningful minutes, not to give Acker and Cubillan a combined 30 minutes of rest from garbage time game action over the next two months.  If he's good enough to earn 10-15 minutes of playing time and is an upgrade defensively then he should strongly consider playing.

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Let the kid play if he can.  A few points to the "wasting a year of elibility" crowd.  First, if the kid is as good as advertised, he might not stay his fifth year.  Second, picking up game experience for two thirds of the BE season is a VERY GOOD THING.  You can't simulate game experience.  Truth is that we are losing a ton of PG experience next season.  Wouldn't it be nice to have Junior start next season with some experience under his belt with a freshmen backing him up.  Finally, IN BUZZ I TRUST.  At some point, Buzz said that he plans on recruiting a PG and big man every year and it seems like he is sticking to this plan.  I will not sit here and say we won't need a good verteran PG three years from now but losing a good PG won't be devestating with the way Buzz is recruiting. 

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I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

Then, once Junior knows his role, if the doctors clear him and he wants to return, he should be allowed to return.  If Junior is willing to use a year of eligibility to play a bit of garbage time, he should be allowed to do that.  However, if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't mind Buzz tried very hard to persuade Junior to sit out the year.
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I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

I think that it will be one of those tough calls that will be determined once things play themselves out.  Buzz has already seen JC prior to the season and what type of role he can play on the team.  Perhaps JC's presence will enhance the roles of the rest of the team, yet, will JC's injury (although apparently fully healed) prevent him from going 100% for fear of re-injury, sort of like the case of Joe Fulce last year and limit his true potential?  Unfortunately, no one really knows unless this scenario is drawn out.

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This year we will be a bubble team. Junior could put us over the edge--that is valuable to both the school and Buzz. As such, his contributions will likely be more valuable to us (in terms of revenue) this year, than in 4 years.  


I didn't think of the revenue argument.  I would say that the benefit to Marquette Athletics (the entire program, not just the b-ball team) of making the tourney this year far outweighs the downside of not having Junior on the team in 2013-2014.  If Junior is ready to go, medically-speaking, then it is in MU's best interests to get him on the court right away and contributing as soon as possible.  If Junior can put them over the hump this year (which is plausible, but not a guarantee), then I would think Coobie and Acker would relish the opportunity to make one last tourney before graduation.

The only legitimate reason not to burn his redshirt I've heard to this point is that you don't want a re-injury.  If there's no more of a re-injury risk now then there will be 9 months from now, then I say you get Junior some minutes at Allstate on Wednesday.
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One positive no matter how you look at it is that Buzz finally has enough scholarship players in practice.  The possibility of him coming back lights a fire under Coobie, Acker, and Buycks to keep their minutes.  His return to practice is huge.  Junior will have plenty of opportunities in practice to prover whether or not he can defend.  If he can reasonably cover DJO and keep Acker in front of him, Buzz has a good idea of how he defends a scorer and a quick PG.

Also, even if he does not play, one year of game prep and practice will help him next year.

Heck, on this team Junior is probably a small forward...

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Can he play the 5 spot?
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I'll say the same thing I did with Trevor 2 years ago.  If the DOCTORS say he's cleared and the coach AND player want to play, then LET HIM PLAY.



totally agree. If he can get some minutes now, he could really be an asset in the BE tourney. Having an extra player in the rotation for that stretch of games could be huge.

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Can he play the 5 spot?
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The Bucks' medical staff cleared Michael Redd to play also.

And the CIA, M16, Mossad, SVR, BND, etc said there were WMDs.   Yes, doctors can be wrong, so can anyone, but at some point they are paid to be experts and you have to trust what they are saying.

We can probably pick examples from both sides.  I believe Trevor was fine when he came back.  Certainly was ginger and not dominating, but he didn't re-injure the leg as far as I know.



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During a season I believe coaches live in the now.  If Buzz thinks JC can help this season he will play... and hopefully help, especially in Feb and March.

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I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

Then, once Junior knows his role, if the doctors clear him and he wants to return, he should be allowed to return.  If Junior is willing to use a year of eligibility to play a bit of garbage time, he should be allowed to do that.  However, if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't mind Buzz tried very hard to persuade Junior to sit out the year.

if he is healthhy he wont be playing no 1-2 freaking minutes!!!  If he is healthy he will be playing starter minutes!! This guy is abig time recruit ala DJ, and Diener as Freshman PG's. 

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if he is healthhy he wont be playing no 1-2 freaking minutes!!!  If he is healthy he will be playing starter minutes!! This guy is abig time recruit ala DJ, and Diener as Freshman PG's. 

You may be right.  I honestly don't have any idea, and I've never seen him play.  But, I do know that DJ and Diener had the benefit of preseason practices and early games against cup cake opponents to ease into their freshman seasons.  I think the transition from HS to D-I is difficult under the best circumstances.  I imagine it's even harder when you're coming off a serious injury and trying to jump into a team that has been playing together (and playing pretty well) for several months.
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Its not as simple as being cleared=capable of playing d-1 bball. He still has to get 100% game shape and regain muscle. He's been out for how long?

At that point, they can decide if he is ready to play. No one on here should be saying its right or wrong for him to sit, we do not know anything between how ready he is, how much he can help the team, or even what JC wants.

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I'm fine either way, as long as he does not get hurt again by coming back to quickly.  I am encouraged by the fact that it has healed quickly and that by next year he will be 100%.  I had worried with a injury like this that it might take away quickness and jumping ability.

Fear of Junior reinjuring himself in a game shouldn't be a reason to not play him.  If Buzz is even considering playing him, I'd have to guess he is giving it his all in practice where he could just as easily reinjure himself.

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Its not as simple as being cleared=capable of playing d-1 bball. He still has to get 100% game shape and regain muscle. He's been out for how long?

I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think the gap is as large as you'd think. He's been working with the trainer/strength coach the entire time he's been out.

There will be some rust and adjustment to the speed of the game, but conditioning I'm not too worried about.

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If Junior plays, great. If he doesn't, that's fine as well.

I trust that Buzz will see what Junior can do during practice time and determine if he's ready for the brusing and the speed of the league.

It's not really a DOWN year for the league when you consider that a great majority of the teams are within a game of each other.
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I have mixed feelings. I agree with the general sentiment that it's his decision, ultimately, if he's cleared, and the selfish fan in me would actually love to see him contribute this season.

What concerns me is the reinjury risk. Does "cleared" translate into 100%?  Because if not, and the doctors still "clear" him, I think both Junior and Buzz might be a bit biased in favor of putting him out there.

Time will tell, I suppose...

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Sorry if this has been posted before.... been away from a computer for about 4 days....but I just watched the game against PC and with about 4 minutes left in the second half I saw JC in full uniform, warm up top and yellow headband (matching Lazar's) coming to the court for a timeout and thinking is he ready?
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Sorry if this has been posted before.... been away from a computer for about 4 days....but I just watched the game against PC and with about 4 minutes left in the second half I saw JC in full uniform, warm up top and yellow headband (matching Lazar's) coming to the court for a timeout and thinking is he ready?

JC has to take a cue from Frozena when it's garbage time to stand-up-and-applaud-anything-positive-that-MU-does in order to get the attention of the coaches so that they send you in the game.

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I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.

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I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.
As Buzz said in the post-game comments, he is going to do what is best for Junior.  I take him at his word.  Junior had his first college practice on Saturday, he needs to physically/mentally get over his injury, he has missed 17 games and every practice this year and he needs to integrate himself into a group that has had all those practices and has played all those games.  Given all those hurdles in what is now a short season, its going to be a difficult decision.

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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2010, 05:19:14 PM »
@bilsu...  I think that is quite the conclusion to jump to.  What if he has the mindset of trying to do what he can to make each years team better?  I dont think the decision to play Jr has anything to due with his long term career aspirations.
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