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Title: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 18, 2010, 12:32:12 AM
This on Goodman's blog:

http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/01/17/marquette_freshman_cadougan_cleared;_buzz_not_sure_if_and_when_hell_play (http://community.foxsports.com/goodmanonfox/blog/2010/01/17/marquette_freshman_cadougan_cleared;_buzz_not_sure_if_and_when_hell_play)
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 18, 2010, 12:34:49 AM
What's in the article:


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Marquette freshman Junior Cadougan, who suffered an Achilles injury back in September that appeared to end his freshman season, practiced for the first time Thursday and could play this season.

``He’s cleared,” Marquette coach Buzz Williams told FOXSports.com. ``We’ll see how he progresses and that will determine whether he plays.”

Cadougan, a Toronto native, was expected to start at point guard this season. Instead, the Golden Eagles have gone with veteran Maurice Acker, who is averaging 7.6 points and 3.2 assists per game this season.

``Nothing is for certain,” Williams added. ``We want to do what’s right for Junior while at the same time doing what’s fair for our program.”

Marquette is 11-6 overall and 2-3 in Big East play after a home victory over Providence on Sunday. The Golden Eagles have lost three Big East games – two against Villanova and one against West Virginia – by a combined five points.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 18, 2010, 01:16:06 AM
I'll say the same thing I did with Trevor 2 years ago.  If the DOCTORS say he's cleared and the coach AND player want to play, then LET HIM PLAY.


Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 18, 2010, 02:01:50 AM
Though I feel inclined to say, "Play him," I - as a fan - feel a healthy Junior will be better for us next year.

I'm sure Buzz and Junior both want to see some PT going to the frosh, but a freak accident or possible reinjury is a huge concern.

I hope Buzz can tell us how Junior's been in practice and if he's 100%/90%/80%70%/etc.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: ATWizJr on January 18, 2010, 06:31:58 AM
Though I feel inclined to say, "Play him," I - as a fan - feel a healthy Junior will be better for us next year.

I'm sure Buzz and Junior both want to see some PT going to the frosh, but a freak accident or possible reinjury is a huge concern.

I hope Buzz can tell us how Junior's been in practice and if he's 100%/90%/80%70%/etc.

How would you like a healthy Junior next year with half a season's BE experience?  Might that not be worth a year of eligibility?  I think so.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: mug644 on January 18, 2010, 06:37:36 AM
I have loads of faith in Buzz to consider the strategic issues--both for this year and the future--in making a final decision about having Cadougan play this year. For example, I read somewhere that it might be best to hold off on Junior playing this year, so he can be a surprise to BEast teams next. Well, I'm guessing Buzz recognizes that it would be a bigger surprise for those teams to see Junior this year, because by next year's BEast season opener, there would be plenty of game film to review in preparation. Right now there is nothing.

Gotta also believe that Buzz is weighing the idea of having Cadougan for 4 years beyond this year. Again, I trust him to be best positioned to decide whether any benefits of having him play this year outweigh benefits of having him here for a 5th year.

I also wonder if Buzz is trying to keep a flame under Acker and Cubillan. No doubt that if Cadougan plays, their minutes go down. They've played well enough overall, but with Buzz's thin margin, he needs to keep them alert. I think they have both played beyond expectations, and the team is clicking right now.

The depth issue does certainly concern me, and having another guard couldn't hurt.

I'm not convinced that Junior can come in and be a critical contributor himself, but his presence might provide valuable breaks to others that are key. Plus, he'd get useful game experience.

If there are no significant worries about reinjury, and Buzz and Junior choose to put him out there, I don't think it makes much sense to second guess it.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2010, 06:39:01 AM
We shouldn't be discussing topics like this on the board. It will be read by our opponents.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2010, 06:40:46 AM
How would you like a healthy Junior next year with half a season's BE experience?  Might that not be worth a year of eligibility?  I think so.


That's what I'm thinking.  Next year we don't have PG options besides Junior.  It would be nice if he had a few games of experience.  Yeah I know that this means sacrificing the 2013-14 year, but that is a LOOOONNNGGGG way away.  Who knows who Buzz will get by then?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2010, 06:42:48 AM
The Bucks' medical staff cleared Michael Redd to play also.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on January 18, 2010, 07:35:58 AM
He may be cleared to play, but, IMO, he probably isn't ready. If he was, say 85%, he probably would've seen the court in a 30-point blowout over PC-but alas, he did not.

I have mixed feelings about him playing this year, although an extra body (once he's up to it, he's clearly more than just a body) for February and March Big East games, the Beast tourney, and hopefully the NCAAs would be key. I'd love to see him toss a couple of lobs to Fulce and DJO on Gonzo's boys...
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2010, 07:38:15 AM
The Bucks' medical staff cleared Michael Redd to play also.

And? That's related to this how?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: muarmy81 on January 18, 2010, 07:40:15 AM
Someone mentioned this on a different thread but does everyone think Junior wants to play for 5 years?  If he's healthy and he wants to play, let him play.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2010, 07:43:19 AM
Someone mentioned this on a different thread but does everyone think Junior wants to play for 5 years?  If he's healthy and he wants to play, let him play.

Precisely. That's what its about. If he is able to play, and wants to play, its his decision, and a bunch of 20, 30, 40 year old guys saying he should wait so that we can be better next year or two years from now should frankly be ashamed of themselves for that incredibly selfish attitude.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: willie warrior on January 18, 2010, 07:49:15 AM
If the Drs. give him clearance and weigh the options with him, let Jr. decide.

Kids that age have a remarkable recovery span. My son ruptured his spleen in a HS football game and initially the Dr. said he was done for the season. He came back 5 weeks later and played, although there was a risk. It was his decision, along with guidance from the Dr. and his parents.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: LON on January 18, 2010, 08:21:20 AM
Precisely. That's what its about. If he is able to play, and wants to play, its his decision, and a bunch of 20, 30, 40 year old guys saying he should wait so that we can be better next year or two years from now should frankly be ashamed of themselves for that incredibly selfish attitude.

100% agree.  How would you feel if you were healthy and wanted to go and were told "no" because we want you for the next 4 years instead of 3 1/2...I'd be pretty pissed
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Benny B on January 18, 2010, 08:30:34 AM
For the love of all that is good and holy, LET THE KID PLAY THE GAME.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: Brewtown Andy on January 18, 2010, 09:05:44 AM
If Buzz & Junior really think that Junior would have been a difference maker in the WVU and Nova games, I think they need to take a long look at playing him.

And as far as guys playing their way into Buzz's rotation, Jimmy played 8 minutes in the 5th game of the BE schedule last season.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: kmwtrucks on January 18, 2010, 09:08:11 AM
I'm fine either way, as long as he does not get hurt again by coming back to quickly.  I am encouraged by the fact that it has healed quickly and that by next year he will be 100%.  I had worried with a injury like this that it might take away quickness and jumping ability.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: TheButlerDidIt on January 18, 2010, 09:13:14 AM
I've changed my mind. I would love to see him play this year-just really makes me nervous considering how snakebit this team has been injury-wise.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Badgerhater on January 18, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
He should only play if he is clearly better than Cubi or Acker with regard to conditioning and understanding of the offense/defense etc.  

MU right operates well because everyone knows what they are supposed to do and where they need to be.  They rely on timing and positioning because of their lack of size.  A healthy Cadougan who is lost out there will impact the other four players far worse than when EWill is out there looking lost.  Can't hide a lost PG.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Big Papi on January 18, 2010, 09:25:17 AM
Too many factors involved in this desicion that only Buzz, the medical staff, Junior and his Mom can determine what is in fact best for MU and Junior but I think we are all missing the point that this is a HUGE plus for us, no matter the decision.  He will get to, at the very least, practice with this team for the rest of the year.  That experience alone will be a huge benefit for him and the team next year. 
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: gumbyandpokey on January 18, 2010, 09:34:59 AM
By the time he gets in real game shape, too much of the season will have passed for it to be worthwhile.   Don't kill a year of eligibility for a few months of so-so play. 

And the team just isn't that good where he can put them over the top, imo.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 18, 2010, 09:41:38 AM
Why is everyone assuming that JC will be around for all 4 years of eligibility?

I say play if he wants and Buzz and the Dr.s okay it.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 18, 2010, 09:50:20 AM
For most players, even some of the top ones, it takes time to relate to the speed of Division I ball. If he plays, Cadougan will have to learn in the toughest environment on our schedule -- Big East play.

Can he penetrate at this level? Can he make those passes out of the lane when the players are 6'9'' instead of the 6'4'' ones he saw in high school? Can he understand the spacing of the offense coming in cold? Can he understand that turning up the tempo in high school is different then when to turn it up in college?

These are the questions Buzz will ask and answer before he decides whether to let the Bulldog roam the court.

Normally, I'd say we're at risk of losing Acker or Cubillan mentally if Cadougan comes back. Not that the Bulldog would play 25 minutes straight away but imagine being in their shoes and the coach decides to play a kid who's never seen the court in college -- and does it in the heart of Big East play.

But those two are seniors and both have been to hell and back in the program and are very strong. I think both realize they have 20 games left in their careers and anything that helps the team is good. Besides, it may also serve to free up their minds a bit and let them play at their relaxed best.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Knight Commission on January 18, 2010, 09:51:07 AM
Why is everyone assuming that JC will be around for all 4 years of eligibility?

I say play if he wants and Buzz and the Dr.s okay it.

I cant imagine anyone would disagree. It is not and should not be Buzz's decision. Im ok, though, if Buzz tries to influence him based on what is best for the school (whichever way that is).

I cant imagine staying redshirted would be best for him (i.e. forgo a year of pay in Europe or the NBA), unless somehow he can predict that staying the extra year will earn him an NBA contract, where it otherwise wouldn't--which is impossible to predict.

This year we will be a bubble team. Junior could put us over the edge--that is valuable to both the school and Buzz. As such, his contributions will likely be more valuable to us (in terms of revenue) this year, than in 4 years.  
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 18, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
For most players, even some of the top ones, it takes time to relate to the speed of Division I ball. If he plays, Cadougan will have to learn in the toughest environment on our schedule -- Big East play.

Can he penetrate at this level? Can he make those passes out of the lane when the players are 6'9'' instead of the 6'4'' ones he saw in high school? Can he understand the spacing of the offense coming in cold? Can he understand that turning up the tempo in high school is different then when to turn it up in college?

These are the questions Buzz will ask and answer before he decides whether to let the Bulldog roam the court.

Normally, I'd say we're at risk of losing Acker or Cubillan mentally if Cadougan comes back. Not that the Bulldog would play 25 minutes straight away but imagine being in their shoes and the coach decides to play a kid who's never seen the court in college -- and does it in the heart of Big East play.

But those two are seniors and both have been to hell and back in the program and are very strong. I think both realize they have 20 games left in their careers and anything that helps the team is good. Besides, it may also serve to free up their minds a bit and let them play at their relaxed best.

First off, you play your best players.  This isn't middle school where you worry about player's feelings.  These are grown men, treat them like them.

Secondly, the BEAST is down this year... and we play an especially easy schedule from here on out. 

Thirdly, it isn't as if JC has been sitting on his butt and not doing anything basketball related.  He works out everyday and I am sure there is plenty of things he can do to keep pace.  I realize that there is nothing like being on the court at full speed, but lets be real here.  He is working every day with a trainer.  There is no way he is out of shape.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: chapman on January 18, 2010, 10:08:35 AM
By the time he gets in real game shape, too much of the season will have passed for it to be worthwhile.   Don't kill a year of eligibility for a few months of so-so play. 

I fear this too.  Hopefully there's a little more thought put into the decision than healthy + want to play = play, when "play" means 4 minutes of garbage time every other game because he's still coming off a bad injury and he's only got a few days of practice time in at this level and cannot yet earn meaningful minutes.  Hopefully he only plays if he can earn some meaningful minutes, not to give Acker and Cubillan a combined 30 minutes of rest from garbage time game action over the next two months.  If he's good enough to earn 10-15 minutes of playing time and is an upgrade defensively then he should strongly consider playing.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ErickJD08 on January 18, 2010, 10:29:04 AM
Let the kid play if he can.  A few points to the "wasting a year of elibility" crowd.  First, if the kid is as good as advertised, he might not stay his fifth year.  Second, picking up game experience for two thirds of the BE season is a VERY GOOD THING.  You can't simulate game experience.  Truth is that we are losing a ton of PG experience next season.  Wouldn't it be nice to have Junior start next season with some experience under his belt with a freshmen backing him up.  Finally, IN BUZZ I TRUST.  At some point, Buzz said that he plans on recruiting a PG and big man every year and it seems like he is sticking to this plan.  I will not sit here and say we won't need a good verteran PG three years from now but losing a good PG won't be devestating with the way Buzz is recruiting. 

Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 18, 2010, 10:32:42 AM
I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

Then, once Junior knows his role, if the doctors clear him and he wants to return, he should be allowed to return.  If Junior is willing to use a year of eligibility to play a bit of garbage time, he should be allowed to do that.  However, if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't mind Buzz tried very hard to persuade Junior to sit out the year.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: KonaWarrior on January 18, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

I think that it will be one of those tough calls that will be determined once things play themselves out.  Buzz has already seen JC prior to the season and what type of role he can play on the team.  Perhaps JC's presence will enhance the roles of the rest of the team, yet, will JC's injury (although apparently fully healed) prevent him from going 100% for fear of re-injury, sort of like the case of Joe Fulce last year and limit his true potential?  Unfortunately, no one really knows unless this scenario is drawn out.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Benny B on January 18, 2010, 11:02:27 AM

This year we will be a bubble team. Junior could put us over the edge--that is valuable to both the school and Buzz. As such, his contributions will likely be more valuable to us (in terms of revenue) this year, than in 4 years.  


I didn't think of the revenue argument.  I would say that the benefit to Marquette Athletics (the entire program, not just the b-ball team) of making the tourney this year far outweighs the downside of not having Junior on the team in 2013-2014.  If Junior is ready to go, medically-speaking, then it is in MU's best interests to get him on the court right away and contributing as soon as possible.  If Junior can put them over the hump this year (which is plausible, but not a guarantee), then I would think Coobie and Acker would relish the opportunity to make one last tourney before graduation.

The only legitimate reason not to burn his redshirt I've heard to this point is that you don't want a re-injury.  If there's no more of a re-injury risk now then there will be 9 months from now, then I say you get Junior some minutes at Allstate on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: HoopsMalone on January 18, 2010, 11:05:31 AM
One positive no matter how you look at it is that Buzz finally has enough scholarship players in practice.  The possibility of him coming back lights a fire under Coobie, Acker, and Buycks to keep their minutes.  His return to practice is huge.  Junior will have plenty of opportunities in practice to prover whether or not he can defend.  If he can reasonably cover DJO and keep Acker in front of him, Buzz has a good idea of how he defends a scorer and a quick PG.

Also, even if he does not play, one year of game prep and practice will help him next year.

Heck, on this team Junior is probably a small forward...
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 18, 2010, 11:07:33 AM
Can he play the 5 spot?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: 79Warrior on January 18, 2010, 11:29:00 AM
I'll say the same thing I did with Trevor 2 years ago.  If the DOCTORS say he's cleared and the coach AND player want to play, then LET HIM PLAY.



totally agree. If he can get some minutes now, he could really be an asset in the BE tourney. Having an extra player in the rotation for that stretch of games could be huge.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: AZWarrior on January 18, 2010, 11:33:21 AM
Can he play the 5 spot?
At first I thought you should have "tealed" this, but upon reflection, maybe not.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 18, 2010, 12:06:57 PM
The Bucks' medical staff cleared Michael Redd to play also.

And the CIA, M16, Mossad, SVR, BND, etc said there were WMDs.   Yes, doctors can be wrong, so can anyone, but at some point they are paid to be experts and you have to trust what they are saying.

We can probably pick examples from both sides.  I believe Trevor was fine when he came back.  Certainly was ginger and not dominating, but he didn't re-injure the leg as far as I know.


Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: WxWarrior on January 18, 2010, 12:17:45 PM
During a season I believe coaches live in the now.  If Buzz thinks JC can help this season he will play... and hopefully help, especially in Feb and March.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: mviale on January 18, 2010, 12:21:14 PM
Sweet 16, here we come!
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on January 18, 2010, 12:45:25 PM
I think Buzz owes it to Junior to be completely honest with him about his role if he returns this year.  If it's going to be 1-2 minutes in garbage time in blow-outs, Buzz needs to tell him that.  Whatever roll Buzz sees for Junior, he should tell him.  Maymon's allegations aside, I've always had the impression that Buzz is straight with his players.

Then, once Junior knows his role, if the doctors clear him and he wants to return, he should be allowed to return.  If Junior is willing to use a year of eligibility to play a bit of garbage time, he should be allowed to do that.  However, if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't mind Buzz tried very hard to persuade Junior to sit out the year.

if he is healthhy he wont be playing no 1-2 freaking minutes!!!  If he is healthy he will be playing starter minutes!! This guy is abig time recruit ala DJ, and Diener as Freshman PG's. 
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 18, 2010, 01:05:03 PM
if he is healthhy he wont be playing no 1-2 freaking minutes!!!  If he is healthy he will be playing starter minutes!! This guy is abig time recruit ala DJ, and Diener as Freshman PG's. 

You may be right.  I honestly don't have any idea, and I've never seen him play.  But, I do know that DJ and Diener had the benefit of preseason practices and early games against cup cake opponents to ease into their freshman seasons.  I think the transition from HS to D-I is difficult under the best circumstances.  I imagine it's even harder when you're coming off a serious injury and trying to jump into a team that has been playing together (and playing pretty well) for several months.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: martyconlonontherun on January 18, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
Its not as simple as being cleared=capable of playing d-1 bball. He still has to get 100% game shape and regain muscle. He's been out for how long?

At that point, they can decide if he is ready to play. No one on here should be saying its right or wrong for him to sit, we do not know anything between how ready he is, how much he can help the team, or even what JC wants.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 18, 2010, 01:34:05 PM
I'm fine either way, as long as he does not get hurt again by coming back to quickly.  I am encouraged by the fact that it has healed quickly and that by next year he will be 100%.  I had worried with a injury like this that it might take away quickness and jumping ability.

Fear of Junior reinjuring himself in a game shouldn't be a reason to not play him.  If Buzz is even considering playing him, I'd have to guess he is giving it his all in practice where he could just as easily reinjure himself.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: MUfan12 on January 18, 2010, 01:38:17 PM
Its not as simple as being cleared=capable of playing d-1 bball. He still has to get 100% game shape and regain muscle. He's been out for how long?

I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think the gap is as large as you'd think. He's been working with the trainer/strength coach the entire time he's been out.

There will be some rust and adjustment to the speed of the game, but conditioning I'm not too worried about.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 18, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
If Junior plays, great. If he doesn't, that's fine as well.

I trust that Buzz will see what Junior can do during practice time and determine if he's ready for the brusing and the speed of the league.

It's not really a DOWN year for the league when you consider that a great majority of the teams are within a game of each other.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: Ahoya06 on January 18, 2010, 01:59:31 PM
I have mixed feelings. I agree with the general sentiment that it's his decision, ultimately, if he's cleared, and the selfish fan in me would actually love to see him contribute this season.

What concerns me is the reinjury risk. Does "cleared" translate into 100%?  Because if not, and the doctors still "clear" him, I think both Junior and Buzz might be a bit biased in favor of putting him out there.

Time will tell, I suppose...
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on January 18, 2010, 04:20:16 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before.... been away from a computer for about 4 days....but I just watched the game against PC and with about 4 minutes left in the second half I saw JC in full uniform, warm up top and yellow headband (matching Lazar's) coming to the court for a timeout and thinking is he ready?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: KonaWarrior on January 18, 2010, 04:50:49 PM
Sorry if this has been posted before.... been away from a computer for about 4 days....but I just watched the game against PC and with about 4 minutes left in the second half I saw JC in full uniform, warm up top and yellow headband (matching Lazar's) coming to the court for a timeout and thinking is he ready?

JC has to take a cue from Frozena when it's garbage time to stand-up-and-applaud-anything-positive-that-MU-does in order to get the attention of the coaches so that they send you in the game.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: bilsu on January 18, 2010, 05:08:51 PM
I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Nukem2 on January 18, 2010, 05:17:53 PM
I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.
As Buzz said in the post-game comments, he is going to do what is best for Junior.  I take him at his word.  Junior had his first college practice on Saturday, he needs to physically/mentally get over his injury, he has missed 17 games and every practice this year and he needs to integrate himself into a group that has had all those practices and has played all those games.  Given all those hurdles in what is now a short season, its going to be a difficult decision.
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Post by: MU B2002 on January 18, 2010, 05:19:14 PM
@bilsu...  I think that is quite the conclusion to jump to.  What if he has the mindset of trying to do what he can to make each years team better?  I dont think the decision to play Jr has anything to due with his long term career aspirations.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 18, 2010, 05:22:08 PM
I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.

In my opinion, this is completely misguided. Buzz has always been consistent that the program is about the players. I don't see anyway he lets his own career objectives impact this decision in any way. The overall health of the program? Perhaps somewhat, though I' don't see that having much impact. Buzz should and will have an opinion, and will no doubt communicate it, but I have complete faith that he will ultimately put the decision in the hands of the doctors, Junior and his family.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: MUrugger on January 18, 2010, 05:34:15 PM
I answered ABSOLUTELY NO to the poll in an earlier thread and still feel that way; some stream of consciousness reasons behind that thinking:

1.  That's a serious injury, incurred late summer;give it plenty of time to heal.
2.  This team is developing some good chemistry with seniors that he would be taking P.T. from making the biggest contributions of their MU careers.
3.  Recent history says don't mess with a good thing on the hope that things can get even better.  We totally tanked when Mbwake came back.
4.  I scoff at the notion that Junior needs the experience because we lack PG options next year; I see 3. What about Reggie Smith?  Vander Blue? Buycks?
5.  Junior's undetermined "pro" future is tied in many ways to the presence of a solid big man.  I don't see one in a 4 yr. horizon; one might show in 5.
6.  He was first mentally prepared to sit out.  I say let him mentally, emotionally, hunger and all that, prepare for his time next year.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: 79Warrior on January 18, 2010, 07:21:07 PM
I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.

that is just absurd. actually, both points are,your thinking on Buzz and Crean. Just nonsense.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Golden Avalanche on January 18, 2010, 08:35:40 PM
First off, you play your best players.  This isn't middle school where you worry about player's feelings.  These are grown men, treat them like them.

Secondly, the BEAST is down this year... and we play an especially easy schedule from here on out. 

Thirdly, it isn't as if JC has been sitting on his butt and not doing anything basketball related.  He works out everyday and I am sure there is plenty of things he can do to keep pace.  I realize that there is nothing like being on the court at full speed, but lets be real here.  He is working every day with a trainer.  There is no way he is out of shape.

I agree on best players. I also agree you don't worry about feelings. You'll notice on a second reading, I wrote we could lose them "mentally". I didn't write "emotionally". What I mean is they simply check out. Senior-itis. You don't want that. I also wrote it won't happen because both have been through far worse.

Don't matter if the Big East is down or up. The speed/intensity/desire in a conference game is higher then others. Players tell you that all the time. Cadougan wouldn't have the luxury of slowly greasing the wheels versus Grambling. Its an adjustment. That's all I'm writing.

Where did I ever write he was out of shape? And practice and game are two different worlds. Loads of MU players have commented on that as well as above over the last four years since we joined the Big East.

FWIW, in reference to sitting on butt comment....Buzz said last night that he doesn't speak to Cadougan all that much except to say "hello". So, no, he's not sitting on ass but it's also not like he's fully involved yet in serious basketball activity which some people seem to think.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: GGGG on January 18, 2010, 08:55:40 PM

4.  I scoff at the notion that Junior needs the experience because we lack PG options next year; I see 3. What about Reggie Smith?  Vander Blue? Buycks?


Two freshman...one of whom doesn't play the position in high school...and Buycks.  Have you seen Buycks with the ball?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 18, 2010, 09:01:40 PM
I hate to bring this up, but the decision could be an indication of Buzz's future plans. Buzz is more likely to encourage Cadougan to red shirt, if Buzz plans on being here for the long run. If he views MU as a stepping stone, then he is going to do everything to win right away. That may of been part of the reason why Crean let Mbakwe play. I do believe Buzz is happy here and I expect him to stay a long time. I do not think Buzz is feeling the pressure to win this year to save his job, which would be another reason for Buzz to play Cadougan. I think the decision should be made by Cadougan's mother and I hope he does not play this year.

I think it's clear that Buzz is taking his time with this...making sure he's doing the right thing by Junior and the team.

I will always believe Mbakwe was activated out of the blue because ESPN was in town for the game and a-hole thought it would excite fans and give the announcers something to talk about. He's absolutely that shallow.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 77ncaachamps on January 18, 2010, 09:02:38 PM

Two freshman...one of whom doesn't play the position in high school...and Buycks.  Have you seen Buycks with the ball?

But that was due to the coaching transition that saw Tyshawn leave MU for KU and Christopherson leave MU for ISU. After DJ was Coobs and Acker but a void was left after those two.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: WarriorHal on January 18, 2010, 10:36:24 PM
If he is going to play, we should find out one way or the other Wed. night (DePaul). The Sat. date with Syracuse might not be the best spot for someone to make their college debut.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: MUrugger on January 19, 2010, 12:46:17 AM
I'm still scoffing Sultan.  If I get this right you think I'm nuts for thinking that Smith, Blue and Buycks might provide alternative options to Junior on the point.  (I'm not a fan of Buycks with the ball by the way, but we're talking options here--I am following Smith here in CHI tho and am huge on Reggie.)

And while I should be committed for suggesting two Freshman as potential alternatives, you want to bring a Freshman off a serious achilles injury, who hasn't even practiced, in NOW and give him the ball and say "go win us some BE games and get us into the tourney."

I'm not just scoffing at the notion of no options, I'm scoffing at the self-indulgent, authoritative, all-knowing and almost pompous manner in which the idea was presented in the first place.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2010, 02:11:37 AM
I answered ABSOLUTELY NO to the poll in an earlier thread and still feel that way; some stream of consciousness reasons behind that thinking:


3.  Recent history says don't mess with a good thing on the hope that things can get even better.  We totally tanked when Mbwake came back.


We did?

His first game back, we beat Pittsburgh by 18 points.

His second game we beat St. John's in New York.

His third game we beat Rutgers

His fourth game we beat Villanova in Philly.

His fifth game was the OT game where DJ fouled G'Town with just a few seconds left or we win that game.

We won the 6th game

We lost to Syracuse in the 7th game at Syracuse

Beat Seton Hall in the 8th game Mbakwe was back, opening round of the Big East Tournament

Beat Notre Dame in the quarterfinals

Lost to Pittsburgh in the semi-finals

Beat Kentucky in the NCAAs

Lost to Stanford on a miracle shot in OT.

How exactly did we "tank" (let alone, "totally tank") when Mbakwe came back?  We went 8-3 with all three losses coming against ranked teams and we beat 2 ranked teams ourselves.

I wouldn't call that tanking.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 19, 2010, 06:36:55 AM
Are you certain his first game back wasn't the Georgetown game at the end of Feb.?
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 19, 2010, 06:44:18 AM
Before Jr. plays I think Buzz should get a second opinion from that world-class orthopedist in Indianapolis who's tight with Crean.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: GGGG on January 19, 2010, 07:35:57 AM
I'm still scoffing Sultan.  If I get this right you think I'm nuts for thinking that Smith, Blue and Buycks might provide alternative options to Junior on the point.  (I'm not a fan of Buycks with the ball by the way, but we're talking options here--I am following Smith here in CHI tho and am huge on Reggie.)

And while I should be committed for suggesting two Freshman as potential alternatives, you want to bring a Freshman off a serious achilles injury, who hasn't even practiced, in NOW and give him the ball and say "go win us some BE games and get us into the tourney."


I'm not saying Junior needs to go out and win some games.  I'm saying that Junior could provide depth at guard, and get some experience that might be valuable next year.  We have no experience at that position next year.

As for the injury itself, I'll let the doctors figure that out.  No one here really can judge that.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2010, 07:40:25 AM
If  he is ready he should play. We shouldnt worry about him losing a 5th year of eligiblity...who knows what is going to happen 3, 4, 5 years down the line?

If the Dr says hes fine, Buzz thinks he can contribute, and JR feels ready...he should play.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: reinko on January 19, 2010, 09:52:09 AM
I answered ABSOLUTELY NO to the poll in an earlier thread and still feel that way; some stream of consciousness reasons behind that thinking:

1.  That's a serious injury, incurred late summer;give it plenty of time to heal.
2.  This team is developing some good chemistry with seniors that he would be taking P.T. from making the biggest contributions of their MU careers.
3.  Recent history says don't mess with a good thing on the hope that things can get even better.  We totally tanked when Mbwake came back.
4.  I scoff at the notion that Junior needs the experience because we lack PG options next year; I see 3. What about Reggie Smith?  Vander Blue? Buycks?
5.  Junior's undetermined "pro" future is tied in many ways to the presence of a solid big man.  I don't see one in a 4 yr. horizon; one might show in 5.
6.  He was first mentally prepared to sit out.  I say let him mentally, emotionally, hunger and all that, prepare for his time next year.

On point 1: Are you a doctor?  If so, are you JC's doctor?
On point 2: Just pure hyperbole.  Good chemistry?  Sure, but we essentially have a 7 man rotation.
On point 3:  Chicos dismantled that already.
On point 4: I agree with Sultan, that depending on 2 freshmen (one of who plays SG) and Buycks, then poo-pooing the notion that this experience would not be important is a bit short-sighted.
On point 5: This is just filled with speculation.  Where is the proof that the presence of a solid big man contributes to a college PG having NBA success?  And you are also speculating that we will not have a serviceable big man come in during the next 4 years.
On point 6:  Again hyperbole and speculation. 
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2010, 11:14:31 AM
I think it's clear that Buzz is taking his time with this...making sure he's doing the right thing by Junior and the team.

I will always believe Mbakwe was activated out of the blue because ESPN was in town for the game and a-hole thought it would excite fans and give the announcers something to talk about. He's absolutely that shallow.

Follow-up for you since this is how you feel.  Why didn't he play McNeal against Michigan State in the NCAAs?  McNeal said he could have played.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2010, 11:16:20 AM
Are you certain his first game back wasn't the Georgetown game at the end of Feb.?


Yes, certain.  Here's the article

http://www.ncaa.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/021508abl.html

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2008/02/trevor-mbakwe-cleared-to-play.html


Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: 4everwarriors on January 19, 2010, 11:30:06 AM
Follow-up for you since this is how you feel.  Why didn't he play McNeal against Michigan State in the NCAAs?  McNeal said he could have played.


McNeal never had a glimmer of a chance to play vs. MSU. He just had surgery on that hand. His warm-up and uniform for he game was just a decoy thrown up by his coach.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2010, 11:36:29 AM

McNeal never had a glimmer of a chance to play vs. MSU. He just had surgery on that hand. His warm-up and uniform for he game was just a decoy thrown up by his coach.

Not according to McNeal, but I tend to agree...he shouldn't have played and didn't.

On Mbakwe, he wanted to play, was cleared to play, he played and MU didn't suffer at all for it.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: MUrugger on January 19, 2010, 03:19:14 PM
Gotta respond to some smack and clarify positions I have taken on this thread, (lest someone think they'll blow some smack and I'll just go away):

A guy on this thread (not Sultan) asked me to state my case for a strong NO vote on whether Junior should play this year tho it was just my opinion.

I came up with six thoughts that I'm gonna hold on to. Chicos whacked me pretty good on the notion that we "totally tanked" (my words) after Mbwake came back.  He had the evidence to back his point and I stand corrected.  Then Sultan came in with his strong difference of opinion.

I just continue to have such an empty (tanked) feeling the way the last two years have ended.  That Brooke Lopez shot over Burke to end the '08 campaign (w/Jerel hurt) is as painful as last year's peter-out when DJ got hurt.  And I contend that Mbwake's 1.5 ppg and 2.1 rpg contribution in '08 was debatable and maybe even hurt us.

Finally another guy who often adds a +1 to Sultan's comments claimed most of my argument was hyperbole.  Unless they've changed the definition, hyperbole means an obvious exaggeration, like "waiting for an eternity."  Nothing in that post was an obvious and intended exaggeration.
I don't mind the dissent, but get it right if you don't agree.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: reinko on January 19, 2010, 03:35:12 PM
Gotta respond to some smack and clarify positions I have taken on this thread, (lest someone think they'll blow some smack and I'll just go away):

A guy on this thread (not Sultan) asked me to state my case for a strong NO vote on whether Junior should play this year tho it was just my opinion.

I came up with six thoughts that I'm gonna hold on to. Chicos whacked me pretty good on the notion that we "totally tanked" (my words) after Mbwake came back.  He had the evidence to back his point and I stand corrected.  Then Sultan came in with his strong difference of opinion.

I just continue to have such an empty (tanked) feeling the way the last two years have ended.  That Brooke Lopez shot over Burke to end the '08 campaign (w/Jerel hurt) is as painful as last year's peter-out when DJ got hurt.  And I contend that Mbwake's 1.5 ppg and 2.1 rpg contribution in '08 was debatable and maybe even hurt us.

Finally another guy who often adds a +1 to Sultan's comments claimed most of my argument was hyperbole.  Unless they've changed the definition, hyperbole means an obvious exaggeration, like "waiting for an eternity."  Nothing in that post was an obvious and intended exaggeration.
I don't mind the dissent, but get it right if you don't agree.

I think I am that other guy, who has actually +1 Sultan once, but once = often I suppose. 

And Jerel was injured in the 2006-2007 season, not 2008.  But same thing right?

And your post states that I claimed that most of your argument was hyperbole?  Well two of your six reasons actually.  33% must mean most, eh? 

And yes, I think you are exaggerating this team's chemistry as reason enough not to play JC.  We have lost too many games this year, by too little of a margin, with too short of a bench to contend that "team chemistry" might be disrupted if JC plays.

And yes, I also think you are exaggerating when you are talking about his mental toughness.

Your serve.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Dienerfor3 on January 19, 2010, 04:14:03 PM
That Brooke Lopez shot over Burke to end the '08 campaign (w/Jerel hurt) is as painful as last year's peter-out when DJ got hurt. 
Actually, Jerel played and dropped 30.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: GOMU1104 on January 19, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
Rough day for MUrugger
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: 77champs on January 19, 2010, 04:56:42 PM
Juniors injury is not the type you are 100% when u are at the point where you are cleared to play.  It takes time to trust everything again which varies by athlete but one year is not uncommon to essentially feel like your old self.

So amid the speculation, it is great that he will be able to practice and if he comes along quickly it will be a difficult decision to weigh the extra year against what could be contributed now.  To have him really ready for the BETour, he would need some games under his belt and that decision would likely have to be made prior to knowing if he can continue to improve to expected levels by March.   No matter sentiment, you are rolling the dice.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 19, 2010, 05:51:26 PM
Follow-up for you since this is how you feel.  Why didn't he play McNeal against Michigan State in the NCAAs?  McNeal said he could have played.

McNeal could not have played with a broken thumb. He had also played the entire season. Mbakwe torched an entire year's eligibility by returning for a small portion of the season, getting little playing time in the process. It was absurd to activate him.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'L
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on January 19, 2010, 07:10:54 PM
I'll go out on a limb.  If Buzz activates him, JC's going to make those of you who say he shouldn't have his redshirt removed think Buzz is a genius.

How do I know? That's me.  Mr. Vegas.  Roll the dice and come up big.  Actually, I'm like most of the rest of you.  Pure speculation and hope.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 19, 2010, 07:15:25 PM
McNeal could not have played with a broken thumb. He had also played the entire season. Mbakwe torched an entire year's eligibility by returning for a small portion of the season, getting little playing time in the process. It was absurd to activate him.

Based on what happened, looks like the only way we were going to get 8 to 10 games out of Mbakwe in his career was to activate him.  Perhaps the staff knew this.  I believe Buzz was on that staff as well.

McNeal says he could have played, bad thumb and all.  Guess we'll never know the true answers to either question.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 23, 2010, 08:44:52 AM
If he can be effective against the kind of DePaul defense that limited MU to 6 hoops in the second half, suit him up!
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: NavinRJohnson on January 23, 2010, 08:48:28 AM
I have a feeling he'll play today. That is based on nothing BTW.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Nukem2 on January 23, 2010, 09:27:09 AM
I have a feeling he'll play today. That is based on nothing BTW.
If Junior's going to play this season, it will have to be sooner than later. Though, the SU game is not a real good situation for the first game of his college career (after one week of probably limited practice).
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: Lennys Tap on January 23, 2010, 10:53:10 AM
Based on what happened, looks like the only way we were going to get 8 to 10 games out of Mbakwe in his career was to activate him.  Perhaps the staff knew this.  I believe Buzz was on that staff as well.

McNeal says he could have played, bad thumb and all.  Guess we'll never know the true answers to either question.

I TOTALLY agree with with your assertions in paragraph 1, minus the "looks like" and the "Perhaps". That's why saying that TC left Mbakwe behind for Buzz or that Trevor "wanted to play for Crean but not for Buzz" is so unfair and disingenuous.
Title: Re: Goodman: MARQUETTE FRESHMAN CADOUGAN CLEARED; BUZZ NOT SURE IF AND WHEN HE'LL PL
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on January 23, 2010, 11:03:34 AM
I TOTALLY agree with with your assertions in paragraph 1, minus the "looks like" and the "Perhaps". That's why saying that TC left Mbakwe behind for Buzz or that Trevor "wanted to play for Crean but not for Buzz" is so unfair and disingenuous.

Perhaps, but it begs two questions.

1)  Why did he wait until August to transfer

2)  Why was Buzz so shocked at the trasfer