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Should Cadougan play this year?

Yes
52 (29.4%)
No
76 (42.9%)
I have mixed feelings
49 (27.7%)

Total Members Voted: 177

tower912

   If he is ready and able to contribute on both ends, it gives us depth and options.   If he wants to and doesn't really want a 5th year, why not?    On the other hand, I remember the Mbakwe fiasco.   So, mixed feelings, leaning toward yes.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

IAmMarquette

Quote from: tower912 on January 17, 2010, 06:24:50 PM
  If he is ready and able to contribute on both ends, it gives us depth and options.   If he wants to and doesn't really want a 5th year, why not?    On the other hand, I remember the Mbakwe fiasco.   So, mixed feelings, leaning toward yes.  


I don't remember a "fiasco" with Mbakwe playing so much as with his decision to bail on his teammates less than a month before the season started.

As for Junior, if he's ready to play, turn him loose.

GGGG

If he can make a meaningful contribution, and the experience serves him well for next year, than let him go.  The Mbakwe "fiasco" is only viewed as such because he transferred.  Had he stayed, he'd be a junior right now and we wouldn't be giving it a second thought.

reinko


chapman

The fact that Buzz has barely seen Cadougan practice and he thinks he could contribute ahead of two seniors shows he might not have all that much faith in Acker and Cubillan or else Cadougan came out looking amazing.  Hard to believe anyone not named John Wall could just be thrown into conference play in mid-late January having never even practiced and beat out two senior guards, even our two, and this guy's coming off a bad injury on top of it.

mviale

You heard it here first. Davante Gardner will be a Beast this year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27259

tower912

What I meant by 'fiasco' was him rushing back and then not playing meaningful minutes of any kind.   I only want Cadougan coming back if he can make a difference on this team.    Mbakwe didn't.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Rollout-the-Barrel

I agree with Tower and selfishly I would probably like him to sit out bc I'm just not sure how much he'll be able to help this year by the time he gets up to speed and conditioned.  However if he is medically cleared, I can understand letting him play if that's his decision.
"We have the blues on the run!"

wardle2wade

As much as it'd be great to have another weapon for the long big east season, I'd much rather have Junior for 4 more years.  From what I heard about achilles, seems like too much of a risk.  Ironically, if he was a just-as-heralded big, I might say give it a go. 

Stupid hypothetical here but... Let's pretend JC comes back and plays 3 games, then God-forbid he aggravates the injury and has to sit the rest of the way.  In this scenario, is it still possible to get a medical redshirt? 

bma725

Quote from: wardle2wade on January 17, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
Stupid hypothetical here but... Let's pretend JC comes back and plays 3 games, then God-forbid he aggravates the injury and has to sit the rest of the way.  In this scenario, is it still possible to get a medical redshirt? 

No, at least not in his specific case.

The medical redshirt rule stipulates two things.  You can't play in more than 30% of the team's games and the injury has to occur in the first half of the team's season.  MU passed the halfway point of the season awhile ago.

wardle2wade

OK thanks... thought it was something like that. 

NCMUFan

At this point the guards (Mo, Coobey, Buycks and DJO) are playing with great chemistry and are healthy.  Unless something happens to one of the guards, I say redshirt Junior.

ChicosBailBonds

Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o

Canned Goods n Ammo

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2010, 08:17:32 PM
Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o

It's all about the PR with Buzz.

tower912

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 17, 2010, 08:17:32 PM
Interesting reaction by some here who had completely different viewpoints 2 seasons ago.   :o



Yes, because some here can actually do nuance and context and recognize that sometimes similar situations are actually quite difference.   Is our need at guard this year as bad as our need for a big was two years ago?   Is Cadougan the difference between making the tourney or not making the tourney?   Two years ago, many thought a healthy Mbakwe could be the missing piece to take us deep in the tourney.   (oops, Jerel)      So, yes, it is possible to view similar situations differently.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: wardle2wade on January 17, 2010, 07:54:02 PM
As much as it'd be great to have another weapon for the long big east season, I'd much rather have Junior for 4 more years. 

Well, that's nice for you, but the question was should he play? To me there is only one correct answer, and that is once it is agreed upon by the doctors first and foremost, and he has talked about it with the coaching staff and his family, understands any risks, etc., it is entirely his decision. If he wants to play, then yes, 100% he should play. This is not about us and whether we want 4 full years or not, its about him and what he wants to do.

77ncaachamps

No mixed feelings here.

NO. No. no.

Full recovery makes him hungrier knowing Mo's gone.
And he'll be running the point with Vander at the SG.
SS Marquette

Clarence

The future is promised to noone.  Carpe Diem Junior. 

The Lens

I didn't like it with TM and I don't like it with JC.  The timing (a month or so earlier) might make it work but still not a fan.
The Teal Train has left the station and Lens is day drinking in the bar car.    ---- Dr. Blackheart

History is so valuable if you have the humility to learn from it.    ---- Shaka Smart

GGGG

Quote from: 77ncaachamps on January 17, 2010, 08:51:49 PM
Full recovery makes him hungrier knowing Mo's gone.


I don't even know what this means.

MARQTTE

If a player redshirts and then decides to transfer, does the player still need to sit out a year?
1993 MU Engineering Grad

NotAnAlum

From what I've heard it takes a long time to fully recover from the injury he had.  60% or 70% is a lot different than 100% in the middle of the BE season.  I think it is best for the TEAM if he slowly returns to practices this year and is 100% next year.  We have 2 seniors who have done a reasonable job handling the point.  Let them finish.  With Bulter as a tallest serviceable player we are limited in what we can do with or without Junior.  Come in next year and lets put together some seasons when we contend for the BE title.

SCdem@MU

I say no unless Junior has grown about 8 inches and gained 50 pounds.

We are getting much better production out of Acker/Cube then I thought we would. As bad as Acker's defense is at times, I find it hard to believe that a freshman fresh off a severe foot injury would play much better defense.

Baring injury to one of our guards, I say redshirt him.

TallTitan34

I have no problems with Junior playing this year if that's his choice.  We aren't a deep team and another body wouldn't hurt.

But in the end it's up to Junior.

NersEllenson

Considering Buzz is bringing in Reggie Smith next year - who from some accounts - is tearing it up on his high school team, and can break down everyone off the dribble - it is conceivable that the point guard position will be in good hands moving forward.  From what I've heard, Vander is versatile enough to play some point, Buycks probably can play some point..add in Reggie Smith...and maybe it isn't quite so critical that we "have Junior for 4 years."  I agree that Acker and Cubi are doing a good job at the point, so that doesn't make it critical to have JC play this year...but...we may be deep enough at point guard moving forward that to give JC a shot this year wouldn't hurt the program long term - so long as JC is truly healthy, and fully ready to play now.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

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