Maymon Leaves Team!

[redbirdwarrior]

"Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"

[Silky]

Best of luck J-May and thanks for what you gave MU in the short time here! 

[MUCrew]

Gonna throw up...

I'm looking forward to the next couple of days to hear the real meat behind this story.  Best of luck to Jay May wherever he goes.  Thanks for the time spent here. 

[MUSF]

Buzz needs to do a better job of making his players happy. He brought the kid here, knowing the issues with his dad and all that nonsense. From that point forward anything that happens that causes the kid to leave is partially the head coaches fault. Communication is the most important aspect here



Talent like that cannot be leaving MU if the program is to be successful

Wrong on both points, IMO.  When you are dealing with kids/parents like this, there is only one way to deal with them.  My way or the highway.  Buzz is the leader of this team and the future of the program.  You can't pander to kids and families that make demands and give ultimatums.  Once you open that Pandora's box, you can never close it back up.  There are certain kids that may have all the talent in the world but can become a devastating cancer on the team.  It would be wrong to assume that that is the case now with JM but I won't fault Buzz for taking a hardline in order to protect his control of the team and the well being of the program.  That is what the last coach did on multiple occasions and what most good coaches do across the country.  When you show me an exception, I will show you a coach that has a history of questionable ethics and probably bounced around quite a bit.

On the second point, if success at MU means compromising what is right or fair/just, then I would rather not be successful.

[PaintTouches]

This sucks, is terrible for this year, and is completely out of the blue.

With that said, time to pick ourselves up. We've had a terrible run of luck but sulking and being mad at Maymon and co. will do nothing but bring back bad feelings. The season will go on with or without him. We have to keep building this year so that we can hit the ground running in the next few years.

[Marquette84]

I remember when James "Manchild" Mathews came to MU. If ever there was a guy with red flags he was one (and that is being extremely kind). Funny that I don't remember your admonitions beforehand or your "doesn't surprise me one@#$#@$ bit" chuckles afterwards. Matter of fact, don't remember you ripping Crean at all. Funny.

No, what's funny is watching the squirms of people who invested years developing a hatred of Tom Crean specifically because he brought in the wrong type of players, had too many transfers and couldn't land a quality big.

The record shows that Buzz also recruits players with red flags, has had a significant numbers of transfers, and has built a lineup that is not simply short, but rated 339th for average height.

The only thing left is to see whether these people use the same excuses to begin an intense hatred of Buzz, or whether they enter into full hypocrite mode and continue to blame Crean while making excuses for Buzz.  

I didn't rip on Crean back then, and I'm not going to rip on Buzz now.  These things happen in college basketball.  But I will call out those hypocrites who treat the two coaches differently.  Perhaps someday they'll accept that transfers are a part of the game, all coaches take risks in recruiting, and landing a quality big is a lot harder than they make it out to be.

[MUSF]

Wouldn't surprise me, especially with Pearl's history of tampering with players from other schools.  One doesn't need to go back far to see that.

I also understand that there was a post here that said I was giddy about this news from Mr. Hayward.  I can't find the post, maybe it was deleted.  Quite the contrary, I'm very disappointed by the news.  Am I shocked?  Absolutely not.

Mviale...nero?  First it was Napoleon now it's Nero.  Well at least I'm getting taller in your eyes.   


No joy in this, but I did chuckle when I read the news.  Not a chuckle as in a laugh of joy, but a chuckle in "doesn't surprise me one @#$#@$ bit".  There were more than a few of us that asked why Bo Ryan AND Tom Crean ignored this kid.  And for that, we were called haters.  Sometimes, you have to take the blue and gold glasses off and look at reality of why.  There were red flags all over the place, and any time someone brought them up, they were shot down as haters of the program or TC lovers.   

It was merely asking simple questions, looks like today we got a few answers.  Shame.  Hope it doesn't hurt the program long term or Buzz because we will have him as our coach for quite awhile.  Best of luck to Tim and J. Maymon....more luck to Buzz that he can start landing some guys without so many red flags...just a thought (yeah, that makes me a hater I guess)

Don't you think this was a calculated risk on Buzz's part.  I don't think Buzz ignored red flags.  I think he took a risk and it didn't work out.  If he could make it work, we would be calling him a genius in two years and poking Bo, the Badgers, and our former coach in the eye.  The flipside to taking risks like this is knowing when to cut your losses.  I think Buzz did just that.  Our previous coach did this quite a bit and took a lot of flack from people on this board for it.  I wonder if those people remain consistent and criticize Buzz in the same way they did TC.  I hope you remain consistent and don't start lighting the torches and grabbing your pitchfork just yet.

[warthog-driver]

Does anybody have a copy of the presser the Maymons (plural) did announcing the son was attending MU? You know, where the father has some sort of technicolor sweater and is skittering around holding up some hand made signs? I would love to see that again but from a very different perspective.

[Doctor V]

I agree it is possible through extreme dedication and some luck. But from my prospective, it's a long shot. Wade is one of the greatest exceptions, but from what little I've seen of J-May he doesn't have those skills. An incredibly small number make the NBA and I feel many on this team and recruits have a better shot than Maymon, IMO. He is a power player that would have to completely change his game, that is a little different than a player like Wade just developing his shot.

Though, I can't blame a kid for going after his dreams.

Yep I agree with ya

[warthog-driver]

Hindsight...

5/22/08

Maymon will decide next Tuesday. His dad seems hilarious in the article, stating that schools will be considered if they offer over the weekend.

Seems like a very short-sited decision. Tennessee maybe? I'm really not sure. His dad sure doesn't seem to be.

Mark Miller's Blurb:

Quote:
Maymon's visit to Marquette goes well

According to Tim Maymon, the father of Madison Memorial junior Jeronne Maymon, the unofficial visit the family took to Marquette on Tuesday went well.

"It was great meeting with Buzz Williams and the other coaches," Tim Maymon said. "Things went well."

Marquette, Iowa State, Baylor, USC, Tennessee, Kansas and Minnesota are the leaders for the 6-6 Maymon, who plans to take part in the prestigious Bob Gibbons Tournament of Champions event this weekend in North Carolina as a member of the Illinois Bobcats travel team. 

I think it's a good decision on his part actually, Heavy. He can finally secure his basketball future and transfer 90 percent of the focus for the next school year, onto repairing his academic problems.

I'm rooting for Iowa State or Tennessee, CIMD. Normally I'd prefer home grown players to choose either of the Wisconsin schools, but I think the best thing for Jeronne would be to get a healthy distance away from the negative influences in his life. However, seeing as though the decision is coming right after the Marquette visit, I've got to think they're the favorite.

Here's an article where Tim Maymon talks about his son aka the greatest basketball player to ever play....

WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL

Here's a quote from it:

He has been very interested in UW, but UW is not interested in him,'' Tim Maymon said. ``If they ever have to face him, they'll see why the should have got him.''

This guy needs to shut his mouth. Jeronne maymon has had terrible grades, been suspened because of gang violence in high school and he expects uw with no scholarships to go after maymon...Tim maymon is a joke.

He also throws in some words for devonte maymon who "apparently" had interest from Marquette..Probably only to get jeronne cuz they knew tim would be a sucker for it

[willie warrior]

Maymon.  Mbakwe.  Roseboro.  Hazel.  Christopherson.   Acker (who was ultimately asked to return).  

Plus the decomits from Taylor and Bowen.

Don't you think that's an unusually high number of departures in just two seasons?

You are damn right that is a lot of departures. Somebody should be asking the Coach what the hell is going on there, because this is unacceptable. And please spare me the analogies that the same thing happens at Kansas or UNC when there is so much talent there. We are not those programs.

[Hards Alumni]

Can we please keep this thread and others respectful?  We don't know ANY of the story, yet a good portion of the people here jump to conclusions without an ounce of fact. 

[Lennys Tap]

No, what's funny is watching the squirms of people who invested years developing a hatred of Tom Crean specifically because he brought in the wrong type of players, had too many transfers and couldn't land a quality big.

The record shows that Buzz also recruits players with red flags, has had a significant numbers of transfers, and has built a lineup that is not simply short, but rated 339th for average height.

The only thing left is to see whether these people use the same excuses to begin an intense hatred of Buzz, or whether they enter into full hypocrite mode and continue to blame Crean while making excuses for Buzz.  

I didn't rip on Crean back then, and I'm not going to rip on Buzz now.  These things happen in college basketball.  But I will call out those hypocrites who treat the two coaches differently.  Perhaps someday they'll accept that transfers are a part of the game, all coaches take risks in recruiting, and landing a quality big is a lot harder than they make it out to be.

I agree you have been consistant on this issue. I further agree that to be successful a school like MU needs to take chances. I further agree that when you take chances some backfire. I didn't rip TC for Manchild and I was overjoyed when MU let Crean Crean take his biggest risk with Wade (I had seen him play). My issues with TC had nothing to do with transfers or the qualifications of players he brought to Marquette. You find those who did but give Buzz a pass on this issue hypocritical. Fair enough. I find those who gave Crean a pass but rip Buzz for the same things to be hypocritical. I think you would agree.

[NavinRJohnson]

This is from a friend...
Allegedly: "Tim Maymon recently (The week before the Wisconsin game) had a heated conversation with Buzz about J-May's role on the team. Reportedly the Maymon camp was extremly upset with his offensive role. Buzz basically guranteed the Maymons during the recruitment that J-May would be a featured option in the offense and that he would be a ... See Morestarter from day one, NOT coming off the bench. Buzz also ensured that J-May would be playing the 3/4 and that his role on the team would be more offensive oriented and would not be stuck only guarding the bigs.
The conversation got heated to the point where expletives were thrown into the conversation and the Maymons threatened that if J-May's role did not change soon they would not hesitate pulling him from school to look at other options where he would be a "featured option". Tim Maymon also threatened that they would take Vander with them.
They mentioned some school out in Virginia and somewhere in the south but I am not exactly sure which those are at this point."

Hopefully this isn't true... It's nuts if they expected to be a primary offensive options 10 games into his freshman season. 

I find this extremely plausible, and is more or less the scenario (maybe not the details) that ran through my head the second I saw the headline. If anyone believes Tim Maymon when he says he had no idea this was happening, let me now if you like bridges. Losing the talent is a blow to be sure. Losing the individual(s) probably isn't. Also, put me in the camp that says Vander Blue and his family are smart enough not to be led around by this clown.

Let's get real here...Buzz was hired because he was willing to take some recruiting risks that had not taken place previously. When you do, you will get burned. Too early to tell how severe those burns are going to be. This hurts for this season, although I had very low expectations, and never really did give a rip about this season anyway. Not sure it hurts much at all long-term though.

[Hards Alumni]

No, what's funny is watching the squirms of people who invested years developing a hatred of Tom Crean specifically because he brought in the wrong type of players, had too many transfers and couldn't land a quality big.

The record shows that Buzz also recruits players with red flags, has had a significant numbers of transfers, and has built a lineup that is not simply short, but rated 339th for average height.

The only thing left is to see whether these people use the same excuses to begin an intense hatred of Buzz, or whether they enter into full hypocrite mode and continue to blame Crean while making excuses for Buzz.  

I didn't rip on Crean back then, and I'm not going to rip on Buzz now.  These things happen in college basketball.  But I will call out those hypocrites who treat the two coaches differently.  Perhaps someday they'll accept that transfers are a part of the game, all coaches take risks in recruiting, and landing a quality big is a lot harder than they make it out to be.

of course!  Everyone knows that its Buzz's fault that our 7'2, and 6'10 guys got injured!

[ChicosBailBonds]

I remember when James "Manchild" Mathews came to MU. If ever there was a guy with red flags he was one (and that is being extremely kind). Funny that I don't remember your admonitions beforehand or your "doesn't surprise me one@#$#@$ bit" chuckles afterwards. Matter of fact, don't remember you ripping Crean at all. Funny.

You're right AH, mostly because MUSCOOP didn't exist at the time.  But since many of your memories are inaccurate on what I say even a few days or weeks ago, I would find it stunning if you had the correct memory of James Matthews and my comments from 6+ years ago.  LOL.

[hdog1017]

I assumed that if anyone was going to leave, it would have been E-Will.  Maymon leaving is a shock.  

If Maymon goes to Tennessee, I wouldn't be surprised if Pearl had one his cronies whispering in Maymon's ear.   Pearl is a scumbag's scumbag.  Just remember the whole Deon Thomas/Illinois-Iowa situation.  

[NavinRJohnson]

The record shows that Buzz also recruits players with red flags, has had a significant numbers of transfers, and has built a lineup that is not simply short, but rated 339th for average height.

LOL. You are funny. He has built that roster in 18 months huh? Let's see...He inherited a roster that included Cubillan and Acker, and 6-5 Center, Lazaar Hayward.  The average height of the overall roster is 6-4. The average height of the players he has recruited to the roster is 6-6. The average height figure you cite is 6-3, which includes only the players who have played regularly...Is O'Toule Included? No. Is Mbao included, no? McMorrow? No. I suppose Buzz is to be blamed for the those injuries. His PG got hurt, also forcing the smurf twins onto the floor.

You aren't going to rip on Buzz though. Nice try.

[damuts222]

Maymon.  Mbakwe.  Roseboro.  Hazel.  Christopherson.   Acker (who was ultimately asked to return).  

Plus the decomits from Taylor and Bowen.

Don't you think that's an unusually high number of departures in just two seasons?

You are damn right that is a lot of departures. Somebody should be asking the Coach what the hell is going on there, because this is unacceptable. And please spare me the analogies that the same thing happens at Kansas or UNC when there is so much talent there. We are not those programs.

I feel like a lot of people do not pay attention to what goes on with our program, not only this year but in the past several years. Let me draw you a simple picture, Tom Crean left the team, therefore his recruits will either go w/him or elsewhere (Taylor, Mbakwe, Hazel, Christopherson). Acker was having academic issues, Jerel left, Crean recruited him.

It has been said that Bowen has cooled down some and not to many teams the caliber of MU are after him currently. Roseboro just wouldn't have cut it and was a big body, but seemed to be along the line of a European big.

Decommits happen yes, when coaches leave so do players (Calipari/Wall to Kentucky). Buzz did the right thing in what I believe is the situation with Mr. Maymon.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Don't you think this was a calculated risk on Buzz's part.  I don't think Buzz ignored red flags.  I think he took a risk and it didn't work out.  If he could make it work, we would be calling him a genius in two years and poking Bo, the Badgers, and our former coach in the eye.  The flipside to taking risks like this is knowing when to cut your losses.  I think Buzz did just that.  Our previous coach did this quite a bit and took a lot of flack from people on this board for it.  I wonder if those people remain consistent and criticize Buzz in the same way they did TC.  I hope you remain consistent and don't start lighting the torches and grabbing your pitchfork just yet.

Yes, I absolutely agree it was a calculated risk.  Bo Ryan and Tom Crean were established and obviously didn't want the nonsense attached to this kid.  Buzz wanted to make a splash, land a highly rated in state kid and felt the risk was worth it.  Under the circumstances, totally understandable.  Risk and reward is measured differently based on who is at the helm. 

[warthog-driver]

Buzz needs to do a better job of making his players happy.

"Alright, men, listen up! In order to keep everyone happy we are not going to keep statistics. Also, everyone gets a trophy! Finally, every Friday I am taking you guys to Dandelion Park for free rides on the Tilt-a-Whirl!"

[TheButlerDidIt]

If we are holding out any hope that Jeronne and Buzz will figure something out in order for Jeronne to stay here, I really hope the Maymons are not readers of this site, in particular, this thread.

Embarrassed to be an MU fan today.

[NavinRJohnson]

If we are holding out any hope that Jeronne and Buzz will figure something out in order for Jeronne to stay here, I really hope the Maymons are not readers of this site, in particular, this thread.

Embarrassed to be an MU fan today.

Why is that? What is it in this thread you find inappropriate?

Also, why would anyone want them to figure something out. This was a known risk when he was recruited, and now it has happened. I have no interest in heading down the same road again, and I am guessing its safe to assume Buzz feels the same way. I wish the kid luck.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If we are holding out any hope that Jeronne and Buzz will figure something out in order for Jeronne to stay here, I really hope the Maymons are not readers of this site, in particular, this thread.

Embarrassed to be an MU fan today.

That's what happens when a press release is issued that a player quit the team, it starts all the speculation, rumors, etc.  If this is truly just to "make a point" to Maymon, then issuing a press release that launches a firestorm was certainly an interesting way to accomplish it.

[MUWeb7]

Why is that? What is it in this thread you find inappropriate?

Also, why would anyone want them to figure something out. This was a known risk when he was recruited, and now it has happened. I have no interest in heading down the same road again, and I am guessing its safe to assume Buzz feels the same way. I wish the kid luck.

I am going to have to say I agree with TheButlerDidIt.

This thread has WAY too much speculation. Everyone jumped on his academics, his attitude or his father. I felt that more than a few posts were inappropriate.

If you were jerrone or his family...and you read this thread, what would you think? I would be upset.