Cadougan likely out for the year

[bilsu]

The thought of Mo Acker playing 30 minutes a game at point just caused me to throw up in my mouth a little bit.  Its going to be an ugly season. 

Don't insult Acker, he might quit again.
We now are fighting DePaul for 15th place.

[mviale]

Doesnt Niv have some eligibility?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Doesnt Niv have some eligibility?

I heard Roseboro was good with the ball.

[mviale]

I heard Roseboro was good with the ball.

Man-up this year.  It could bring back memories of the point years with Logterman, anglavar and candelino.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Man-up this year.  It could bring back memories of the point years with Logterman, anglavar and candelino.

Only if we sign a shoe deal with LA Gear at the same time

[Pakuni]

season, meet toilet.

panic, meet button.

Who knew the entire season rested on a freshman point guard?

[Hards Alumni]

panic, meet button.

Who knew the entire season rested on a freshman point guard?

you really want to go into a season with 10 players (assuming no one else gets hurt!), most of which have zero BE experience?

every player we lose on the bench kills this team a little more.

[mviale]

I hear maymon can point - no worries

[Murffieus]

Actually after that successful run that Acker had last year vs those top rated teams, he would have been very hard to beat out. Can hit the trey, capable of 3-4 apg this year, handles the ball extraordinarily well, and doesn't make many mistakes.

The loss of Coudagon hurts our depth is all, but does not dramatically change our fortunes. With Cadougan Buzz probably would have played that overrated 3 guard offense. Now he will probably go to a two guard offense with one of them on the wing-----this opens up opportunities for others like Erik Williams (wing) and of course Butler at wing.

A starting lineup of Acker, DJO/Williams/Bucyks, Butler, Lazar, and Otule will be formidable. Three guys with successful NCAA & BE experience and 2 rookies-----things could be worse.

[MUSF]

I'm going to start looking out my window for locusts.

First, I agreed with PRN and now I agree with Murf.  Some of you need to back away from the ledge.  We weren't going to tear up the Big East with Cadougan and I don't think we will be that much worse without him.  Remember, this isn't like DJ's first year when we literally had no one that could play the point coming back.  (If any of you mention Joe Chapman, I will ask that the mods ban you from the board)  Acker provides continuity and stability in a true transition year.

[GGGG]

My concerns aren't for this year.  We weren't going to be all that good anyway, and this certainly isn't going to be the make or break of the season.

I am more concerned about how this my impact him for the four years after this one.  Will he ever get his mobility back?  I just don't know the long term implications.

I am also concerned about his mental state.  He wasn't here this summer so he didn't get the bonding time with his teammates.  Hopefully he will find MU to be a supportive atmosphere and will come back in 2010.

[Pakuni]

you really want to go into a season with 10 players (assuming no one else gets hurt!), most of which have zero BE experience?

every player we lose on the bench kills this team a little more.

10 players? I count 11, excluding Frozena (Acker, Butler, Buycks, Cubie, Fulce, Hayward, DJO, Maymon, Mbao, Otule, Williams).

Regardless, of the two that have dropped off, one of them was unlikely to see many, if any, minutes once the team gets into the meat of the schedule. It's the equivalent of losing a walkon ... one less body able to contribute in practices, but no real impact in games.
The other, Cadougan, probably hurts. But I fail to see how losing a freshman point guard (or Roseboiro, for that matter) affects the team's "BE experience". If anything, it means more playing time for guys with "BE experience."

Again, losing Cadougan very well could hurt. But it's a long, long way from a season killer.

[Niv Berkowitz]

Can someone get me a discount on a connector from Tel Aviv to Milwaukee?

[chapman]

A starting lineup of Acker, DJO/Williams/Bucyks, Butler, Lazar, and Otule will be formidable. Three guys with successful NCAA & BE experience and 2 rookies-----things could be worse.

You're kidding yourself if you don't think Maymon is starting.  It's a lock.

[Golden Avalanche]

10 players? I count 11, excluding Frozena (Acker, Butler, Buycks, Cubie, Fulce, Hayward, DJO, Maymon, Mbao, Otule, Williams).

Regardless, of the two that have dropped off, one of them was unlikely to see many, if any, minutes once the team gets into the meat of the schedule. It's the equivalent of losing a walkon ... one less body able to contribute in practices, but no real impact in games.
The other, Cadougan, probably hurts. But I fail to see how losing a freshman point guard (or Roseboiro, for that matter) affects the team's "BE experience". If anything, it means more playing time for guys with "BE experience."

Again, losing Cadougan very well could hurt. But it's a long, long way from a season killer.

You've taken a pretty rosy view of the situation.

In 24 hours, we've lost two players who were considered starter-material. One of them has been very good during summer scrimmages whom luckily we will get back but will lost time hurt him? The other was nearly a de facto starter (delayed a bit) since he committed and his loss is big even though he's never played a minute.

Not to mention the players left who have issues in Fulce with his health problems and Mbao who will have a suspension. Throw in two most likely starters in Buycks and Maymon that have never played at this level and you could see why some people think the season is teetering on the toilet.

[rocky_warrior]

Need help with the open scholarships now after this crazy month.  With Roseboro, Bowen, McMorrow and Clark(extremely possible) gone.  Acker back and Junior headed for a red-shirt year.  What are we now for 2101 and 2011?

FYI - for scholarship questions, bookmark this page:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8

I need to update (once again) to remove Clark from the 2010-11 class, so add 1 scholarship there, but the rest of the years should be accurate.

[Silky]

Did you guys know that in those last 8 games we only gave up 3-4 points more with Acker than we had in the previous 20+ games with DJ-----I think that was to be expected since 6 of those 8 games were played against top 10 teams----and 3 of them were #1 seeds (that's top 4 nationally) in the NCAA.

So defending with Acker at PG was hardly a disaster.

Did you know in our last 8 games we were 2-6?  It's about winning and losing.  And we were 2-6 with Mo as a starter.  Nothing else matters.

[Daniel]

Did you know in our last 8 games we were 2-6?  It's about winning and losing.  And we were 2-6 with Mo as a starter.  Nothing else matters.

To be fair, our end of the year schedule last year was brutal - tough for ANY team n the BEast or anywhere else to play.  And wold have been tough WITH DJ. 

[Marquette84]

Did you know in our last 8 games we were 2-6?  It's about winning and losing.  And we were 2-6 with Mo as a starter.  Nothing else matters.

You seriously don't think the fact that five of those six teams were elite eight (and the sixth was a sweet 16) matters even a little?

Fine, don't buy Muff's contention that Acker is as good as James.  

But don't be stupid the other direction and pretend that one point loss to VU (on a last second hoop no less), 4 point losses to Missouri and Louisville, OT versus Syracuse or a solid game against UConn "don't matter".  

We lost the games, but give Acker a fair shake--he played decently, and put up a 2-1 assist to TO ratio against the six toughest opponents of the season. With the possible exception of Villanova, its unlikely we face anyone as tough as any of those five teams this season.  

If Acker can match what he showed down the stretch, we'll be fine when the opposition isn't the elite eight.  

[GGGG]

I really hope that Buycks shows enough at 1 that we don't need Acker to start.  We know Acker's upside...and it isn't all that up. 

[Daniel]

The problem with Lil Mo is he can't slash to the basket - too small.  We need a point who can threaten to take it home, then dish off etc.

[mviale]

You seriously don't think the fact that five of those six teams were elite eight (and the sixth was a sweet 16) matters even a little?

Fine, don't buy Muff's contention that Acker is as good as James.  

But don't be stupid the other direction and pretend that one point loss to VU (on a last second hoop no less), 4 point losses to Missouri and Louisville, OT versus Syracuse or a solid game against UConn "don't matter".  

We lost the games, but give Acker a fair shake--he played decently, and put up a 2-1 assist to TO ratio against the six toughest opponents of the season. With the possible exception of Villanova, its unlikely we face anyone as tough as any of those five teams this season.  

If Acker can match what he showed down the stretch, we'll be fine when the opposition isn't the elite eight.  

wow, how can one respond to that. I agree 100%. Acker played well.

[bilsu]

I think Acker and Otule play together. Otule is not a ball handler and needs someone to get the ball to him. However, I believe it is time for Buzz to play his recruits. I think we will see Hayward, Williams, Butler and
Maymon on the floor with one guard a significant amount of the time. It sounds like Fulce is recovering and he can sub for any of the four swingmen.

[Murffieus]

You're kidding yourself if you don't think Maymon is starting.  It's a lock.

Well if Otule has made the strides Buzz says he has----he will start at center-----Lazar isn't as helpful to the team on the perimeter as he is inside-----so he starts at #4.

From what I've seen of Maymon----he's most effective as a back to the basket guy-----not a perimeter guy. So in order for Maymon to start he has to beat out Otule or Lazar.

[bilsu]

Otule could improve 400% and still not get off the bench. I think Buzz needs to play Williams and Maymon.