Author Topic: MLB All-Star Game (Read 16834 times)

GGGG · « **Reply #50 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:33:06 PM »

Quote from: copious1218 on June 11, 2009, 03:07:36 PM

How many seasons is enough then? Can a second-year player be voted in if he had a good rookie year? What if a second-year player only had a good second half last year and a good first half this year? Is that enough?

Example (realizing you will probably discount my opinion because I am a Cubs fan, but): Geovany Soto was the best catcher in the NL last year. Using your logic, he should have been ineligible for the 2008 all-star game because he hadn't done it for a long enough time?

I think you are drawing hard and fast rules around where I think there should be guidelines. Every year there seems to be a player that gets on the All-Star team because he has had a good, half-season. I don't like that because inevitably many of these players revert to the norm. (Like Soto has this season.)

I think recognition in the All Star game should be for players who have excelled over a longer length of time and not just for a few months. For instance, I think Brian McCann should have been the starting catcher last year (and this year) because he is an established player who has proven that he can play at a high level over the course of more than one season.

MU B2002 · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2009, 03:35:44 PM »

But doesn't this happen in all sports, guys that maybe aren't the best at the position getting in the all-star game? Instead of all of us arguing about this very fact, why don't we embrace it for what it is... a waste of 2.5 hours. That sometimes ends in a tie.

copious1218 · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2009, 04:09:37 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 11, 2009, 03:33:06 PM

I think you are drawing hard and fast rules around where I think there should be guidelines. Every year there seems to be a player that gets on the All-Star team because he has had a good, half-season. I don't like that because inevitably many of these players revert to the norm. (Like Soto has this season.)

I think recognition in the All Star game should be for players who have excelled over a longer length of time and not just for a few months. For instance, I think Brian McCann should have been the starting catcher last year (and this year) because he is an established player who has proven that he can play at a high level over the course of more than one season.

We'll have to agree to disagree on who deserves to be in the all-star game, but I will respond to two things: 1) You (not I) created a hard and fast rule when you said no rookie should be voted into the all-star game; and 2) Soto "reverting" to the norm is not correct - he has had an injured right shoulder since spring training and no one knows if the "norm" were his stats from last year or this year

wadesworld · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:12:53 PM »

Quote from: marqptm on June 11, 2009, 12:16:00 PM

I knew. KNEW that the sheer ignorance, jealously & crybaby attitude of the Brewer fans would poke through in this thread. Try putting it aside and have a logical baseball discussion. Please.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this coming from a SCRUBS fan?!?!?! WOOOOOOW that is the most ironic statement I have EVER heard!

Not to mention, YOU are the one who started a thread about how unfair it is that a Brewer or Cardinal could get voted into the All-Star game. But you're not whining/crying/whatever you want to call it. Despite the fact that you said it "pisses you off."

And you're going by ESPN's Fantasy Rankings for outfielders in BOTH leagues to decide if Ryan Braun is a top 10 outfielder in the NL? That seems weird to me.

I only see 3 Brewers/Cardinals in the lineup, not 8. What gives? You COULD replace the 3 players from these teams, but it's not like they're batting .100 and are just awful. Basically with these 3 players, you don't lose either. I'm not sure I understand who you think is THAT bad of a player that is getting voted in.

But you are right, Brewers fans are the ignorant ones. I thought I had seen it all from Scrubs fans, but PTM, you just proved me wrong. I should never be surprised by any Chicago sports fan. Don't know how I forgot that.

wadesworld · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:33:56 PM »

Quote from: marqptm on June 11, 2009, 07:29:29 AM

Every single player is/has become a household name. Personally, I feel the lineups should look something more like this.

AL: Morneau, Kinsler, Longoria, Barlett/Zorbist, Mauer, Crawford, Cruz, & Bay.
NL: Gonzalez, Utley, Reynolds, Ramirez, McCann, Ibanez, Kemp & Beltran.

Putting your favorite team aside, what do your All-Star Game lineups look like?

Let me requote that for you. You say: "Personally, I feel the lineups should look something more like this."

Then you go on and claim that those lineups are not who you believe should be in the All-Star Game and you state that you vote for Braun after leaving him out. You say that these lineups are just based on statistics and not your opinion. But again, I will point it out "Personally, I feel the lineups should look something like this." That "Personally, I feel" part just doesn't match up to them being based just on statistics and not who you feel should really be in it.

Mayor McCheese · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2009, 07:03:46 PM »

I think we can all agree on the fact that the all-star game is for the fans... correct?

Well who do the fans want to see in the all-star game, my guess is not flippin Nelson Cruz.

This is the result of offseason college basketball.

🏀 · « **Reply #56 on:** June 12, 2009, 07:09:15 AM »

Quote from: wadesworld on June 11, 2009, 06:12:53 PM

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA this coming from a SCRUBS fan?!?!?! WOOOOOOW that is the most ironic statement I have EVER heard!

Not to mention, YOU are the one who started a thread about how unfair it is that a Brewer or Cardinal could get voted into the All-Star game. But you're not whining/crying/whatever you want to call it. Despite the fact that you said it "pisses you off."

And you're going by ESPN's Fantasy Rankings for outfielders in BOTH leagues to decide if Ryan Braun is a top 10 outfielder in the NL? That seems weird to me.

I only see 3 Brewers/Cardinals in the lineup, not 8. What gives? You COULD replace the 3 players from these teams, but it's not like they're batting .100 and are just awful. Basically with these 3 players, you don't lose either. I'm not sure I understand who you think is THAT bad of a player that is getting voted in.

But you are right, Brewers fans are the ignorant ones. I thought I had seen it all from Scrubs fans, but PTM, you just proved me wrong. I should never be surprised by any Chicago sports fan. Don't know how I forgot that.

Wadesworld, the reason why I don't respect anything you say when compared to the McCheeses and Navins is that you rarely have anything to say other than 'scrubs' and other non-baseball related bashing. If you could come up with something new just once and awhile it would go a long way for yourself.

As for any of your statements, I have addressed them already. Move along.

🏀 · « **Reply #57 on:** June 12, 2009, 07:12:13 AM »

Quote from: Mayor McCheese on June 11, 2009, 07:03:46 PM

I think we can all agree on the fact that the all-star game is for the fans... correct?

Well who do the fans want to see in the all-star game, my guess is not flippin Nelson Cruz.

This is the result of offseason college basketball.

Yes, it's for the fans, but shouldn't the fans be getting to see the best players at their positions? Nelson Cruz is having the breakout year than many people thought he would. I think the kid deserves his chance to make the game. I think it's almost more enjoyable to see the young kids get caught up in the events and the game itself. Instead we get players like Pedro and Manny a few years back that didn't want to even play in the game because of 'injuries' when everyone knew they were flying back to the DR or elsewhere for a vacation.

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #58 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:50:17 AM »

yes, but statistically, manny and pedro deserved to be there. I have to agree with everyone else here...your arguments are all over the place.

NavinRJohnson · « **Reply #59 on:** June 12, 2009, 10:59:22 AM »

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on June 12, 2009, 10:50:17 AM

your arguments are all over the place.

That's what happens when you try to make an argument disguised as a different argument and are forced to back pedal.

wadesworld · « **Reply #60 on:** June 12, 2009, 01:03:54 PM »

Quote from: marqptm on June 12, 2009, 07:09:15 AM

Wadesworld, the reason why I don't respect anything you say when compared to the McCheeses and Navins is that you rarely have anything to say other than 'scrubs' and other non-baseball related bashing. If you could come up with something new just once and awhile it would go a long way for yourself.

As for any of your statements, I have addressed them already. Move along.

Well my next post I think everyone would agree was baseball related bashing. In fact, if you reread it, you will see that I say "Scrubs" a whopping total of 0 times. But why would I come up with something new? They are Scrubs, so until they are something else I have no need to use anything else.

If you could please respond to my 2nd post that would be great. My guess is you will respond to the 1st part of this post only with something along the lines of "I don't take you seriously," (as if I care whether or not you take me seriously) because you know your original posts and then your following posts completely contradict each other and there is no way to logically respond to that, so you will just ignore me and say that I have nothing worth reading to say to save yourself the embarrassment. That is exactly what I mean by ignorant Scrubs fans. As Mccheese has brought up multiple times, when they know they're stuck, they just ignore the part of the argument that they know the f'ed up and make a personal attack who pointed out the obvious flaw(s) in their argument.

So, I will ask again, which is it. Is it "Personally, I feel the lineups should look something more like this," as in those lineups are the lineups you think should start, as the sentence you wrote clearly states, or is it that those lineups are not, in fact, what you "personally...feel the lineups should look" like and they are just the lineups that would be put out there if basing it SOLELY on statistics, like you later claim? My guess is you will say you have addressed this already so that you do not have to explain yourself. But which one is it, is it your personal feelings as to what the lineups should be, as you state? Or is it the lineups that would be sent out based on statistics, as you also state? If you could not ignore this question this time that would be great.

If the answer is that it is the lineup you feel should look like, as you state, then why would you vote for Ryan Braun? If it is based on statistics and is not what you would vote for, then why did you label it as how you personally feel the lineup should look?

I'm trying to figure out another way to word that question, so that you can see it as many times as possible, and MAYBE you will respond to it instead of ignoring your CLEAR contradiction. But you are just another ignorant Scrubs fan so I'm not expecting to get an answer, but instead just an attack on me.

You got yourself here PTM, not me.

🏀 · « **Reply #61 on:** June 12, 2009, 01:54:47 PM »

You said Scrubs once, actually.

wadesworld, I'm going to do this for you. I have edited the original posts to more clearly define my thinking. Feel free to take a look at it. I could have edited right after it was apparent that my words were not well defined, but I didn't think this was necessary as I was trying to make a logical discussion about the All-Star Game, contrary to what the delusional and uber-defensive Brewer Savants have to say.

Now, I will disclose the list of NL All-Stars that I submitted a ballot for.

McCann
Gonzo
Utley
HamRam
Wright
Ibanez
Braun
Beltran

Hopefully this clears up your confusion. I'm sure there was no confusion actually on your part, it's just your lack of ability to have a baseball discussion. You have clearly displayed in the Pissing Match that anything above clever nicknames like 'Scrubs' and pictures of Goats Humping is way outside of your league, which isn't anything new for the typical Wisconsin Sports fan.

I would also like to thank you and Navin for instead of participating in a thread. Since neither of you have volunteered up a lineup, bashing my mis-logic in the original post was far more important to your insecurities and your manlove for Ryan Braun.

Also, please explain to us why the Chicago Cubs are 'scrubs'. Are they doctors? Do they not bathe regularly? Are their jersey's used as an abrasive cleaner? Are they an undersized person? Please! Enlighten me, and then impress me by having something worthy to say about baseball.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #62 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:06:26 PM »

I haven't voted, but this is who I might vote for:

McCann
Fielder
Weeks
Ramirez
Wright
Braun
Cameron
Beltran

As a Brewer fan, I vote for all of the Brewers that are having good seasons and then fill in the rest of the lineup with NL'ers that are raking.

A "scrub" is what you put into the game when you are resting the starters, as in during a blowout.

wadesworld · « **Reply #63 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:35:28 PM »

In the pissing match I have actually had logical discussion about how I do not believe the Cubs (are you happy? Will I be taken more seriously?) are not as good as they were believed to be to start the year (which I think almost every baseball fan will agree with). They have talent, but a lot of that talent is old, and a lot of it is injury prone. Those were my 2 main points when I had a "logical baseball discussion" in a "pissing match." By the title of the thread I didn't think it all had to be logical baseball discussion. I apologize.

As to why they are scrubs, I don't know if you play pickup basketball with people you don't know or just mess around with friends, but when somebody is bad sometimes people call them a "scrub." That is the "scrub" I use to refer to the Cubs. I apologize if you think it is childish and inaccurate, it's all in good fun.

As far as who I would legitimately put into the All-Star Game:
AL:
1B for AL is tough, I've been voting Pena (can make cases for Teixeira and Morneau)
2B Kinsler
SS Ramirez
3B Longoria (Inge is having a great season there, I hope he gets voted in by the players/manager)
C Mauer
OF Dye, Bay, and Cruz (was in the Brewers system, happy to see him doing so well now)

NL:
1B Gonzolaz (definitely can't go wrong with Pujols, but I can't stand him...Prince isn't far back either)
2B Phillips (wish Weeks was still healthy)
SS Ramirez
3B Wright
C McCann
OF Kemp, Braun, Ibanez

As far as who I actually vote for, the AL is the same, but the NL I vote for all Brewers (write-in Mat Gamel because I can't stand Bill Hall). I do so because I know that only Braun will be voted in to start, which I think is fair, and overall everyone who gets voted in will probably deserve to (there are others who also deserve it, you could make cases for either player), so why not take advantage of the system and get the Brewers recognized by getting 2nd and 3rd in a lot of positions?

Ari Gold · « **Reply #64 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:48:43 PM »

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 11, 2009, 03:03:21 PM

Yep. As I said earlier in the thread, the All-Star game should be more than just the first half-season. It should be about recent success over the past couple of seasons.

by that system:
Barry Bonds... All Star
Manny...All Star
The Head of Ted Williams... All Star
Mark Prior... All star

Also with this whole scrubs thing... It was a great season/series finale. I miss that show

dwaderoy2004 · « **Reply #65 on:** June 12, 2009, 06:26:21 PM »

NL:
C: McCann
1B: Pujols
2B: Utley
3B: Zimmerman
SS: Tejada
OF: Ibanez
OF: Upton
OF: Braun

AL:
C: Martinez
1B: Morneau
2B: Hill
3B: Longoria
SS: Jeter
OF: Crawford
OF: Bay
OF: Hunter

The Man in Gold · « **Reply #66 on:** June 17, 2009, 02:39:59 PM »

Quote from: marqptm on June 11, 2009, 12:23:46 PM

I think if we are talking OF, which should be faster players, SB definitely has to be taken into consideration. All the stats are valued the same, do you disagree with looking at SB?

One of these guys hits in front of Prince Fielder and the other hits in front of David Murphy. Traditionally, runners prefer not to risk making outs on the base paths in front of the MLB RBI leader.

Quote from: marqptm on June 12, 2009, 01:54:47 PM

Also, please explain to us why the Chicago Cubs are 'scrubs'. Are they doctors? Do they not bathe regularly? Are their jersey's used as an abrasive cleaner? Are they an undersized person? Please! Enlighten me, and then impress me by having something worthy to say about baseball.

As the dictionary by TLC explains to us, by definition a scrub is "a guy that thinks he's fly and is also known as a buster, always talkin' about what he wants and just sits on his broke ass." So I'd say the definition fits pretty well.

MU B2002 · « **Reply #67 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:19:40 PM »

Quote from: Travis Diener's Punching Bag on June 17, 2009, 02:39:59 PM

As the dictionary by TLC explains to us, by definition a scrub is "a guy that thinks he's fly and is also known as a buster, always talkin' about what he wants and just sits on his broke ass." So I'd say the definition fits pretty well.

(Chuckle chuckle) Thanks.

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #68 on:** June 17, 2009, 03:42:00 PM »

Quote from: Travis Diener's Punching Bag on June 17, 2009, 02:39:59 PM

As the dictionary by TLC explains to us, by definition a scrub is "a guy that thinks he's fly and is also known as a buster, always talkin' about what he wants and just sits on his broke ass." So I'd say the definition fits pretty well.

The music guys at Miller Park should play that TLC "Scrubs" song when the (s)C(r)ubs come to town, ha ha. Maybe that would be worth an email....we don't want no Scrubs...

Chili · « **Reply #69 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:45:39 PM »

Just to revive this lively debate - espn.com just updated their player rankings and look who they have as the third best player in all of baseball...Ryan Braun

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/playerrating?type=batting&ratingId=3&season=2009

BrewCity83 · « **Reply #70 on:** June 19, 2009, 02:53:51 PM »

#3 Braun, Milwaukee
#7 Fielder, Milwaukee

No Chicago players in the Top 50 this year.

wadesworld · « **Reply #71 on:** June 20, 2009, 12:10:37 AM »

Quote from: BrewCity on June 19, 2009, 02:53:51 PM

#3 Braun, Milwaukee
#7 Fielder, Milwaukee

No Chicago players in the Top 50 this year.

...weird

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