Trevor Powell---Where is he now?

[ChicosBailBonds]

The 90-91 team was woefully undermanned at that point. Logtermann, a shooting guard in high school, had to step in at the point at Kansas and at Duke in the first few games of the season. It was downright embarrassing, especially when Logtermann was flopping around in his socks having blown out a shoe.  O'Neil told me that no one had any idea how much Tony Smith carried the team the year before. He said when the other team pressured MU, it was "Tony bring the ball up." We needed a bucket, "Tony, get a bucket." The other team had a big scorer, "Tony shut him down." The talent level was exposed without Smith there.

I agree the team was woefully undermanned at point in 90-91.  It does make me chuckle, however, when MU was in a similar situation when Diener went down for parts of his senior season (before any tackling dummy) this was Crean's fault yet in 90-91 it was just one of those things, bad luck and the like.

Agendas are pretty clear...some people on this board think Crean was the anti-Christ or Hitler reincarnated.  I'll never get it quite frankly.  He did more for MU basketball then anyone not named Al McGuire and history will treat Crean kindly at MU.

[The Lens]

The difference of course being KO was in year two and his freshmen were a great recruiting class, folks figired the future was bright.  TC was in year 6.  It shouldn't have gotten that bad in year 6.  No one seems to ever complain about years 1 & 2 of the TC regime.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I also chuckle at the behavior of Crean that he is constantly disparaged about.  Yeah, he was arrogant.  But was he constantly taking shots at the university or his boss, Cords and DiUlio?  Was he cheating on his wife in the open?  Was he falling down drunk at bars downtown with everyone knowing "there's the Marquette coach drunk off his ass again"?

It's amazing to me what people get upset about with Crean because he was a self promoter when we've had other coaches that quite frankly sullied the school's image.

[lurch91]

We didn't start 4 freshman in 90-91.  Most games it was 2, for a couple games it was 1.  Anglavar and Powell were seniors.  Curry was a 3rd year sophomore.  Heck, when he started Keith Stewart was a 3rd year sophomore as well.

Second, if you don't think that team had a ton of talent you are kidding yourself.  When you actually look at the roster, it was extremely talented.  Key as a freshman was better than all but two players on the 1987-88 team....heck Key as a hs junior was better than all but two players on the 1987-88 team.  Anglavar and Powell were better as seniors than they were as freshman in 1987-88, Curry in his first year with MU was an immediate impact player, Logterman averaged double figures as a freshman despite playing out of position, and for the first time in quite awhile MU was deep enough that they could keep a Top 100 freshman in McIlvaine on the bench.

Talent is talent, doesn't matter whether a player is a freshman or a senior, if they've got it you'll know, and those guys all had it right away.

Doesnt' matter how much talent you have at the #2-5's if your #1 can't pass and dribble.  

By the time the dust settled, Marquette set season records for turnovers (535) and fewest steals (109).

That's almost 20 turnovers a GAME.  The talent was there on that team, but they were missing an important ingredient, a point guard.  I'd be willing to bet that that season was one of the worst as far as assists also.

Just like when Deiner went down, I blame the pg shortage on the coach (in this case KO).  But what I'm arguing is that KO did a better job in 90-91 then Dukiet did in 87-88.

[Lennys Tap]

Once again you overestimate how popular the hatred of Crean is.  The common fan loved the guy and for the most part still does because of what the team did on the court. 

They don't read the message boards, they don't talk to players/AD staff, they don't know about the camp incident or housecreaning or Diener's injury...and quite honestly they don't give a crap about any of that.  They see a guy that seemed like a nice person on TV and delivered a winning product, so they like him and not much is going to change that.  Even those bitter about him leaving with forgive him rather easily if Buzz keeps winning.

There's just never been and likely never will be this widespread hatred of the man like you hope for.

Seems like you're saying "to know him is to loathe him" and the casual fans just don't know him well enough to despise him. You may be right.

[StillAWarrior]

As I read all this puffing and bickering about Crean and the positive or negative reception he may or may not get from the fans at some point in the future I cannot help but wonder, . . .   

Trevor Powell -- Where is he now?  Did he come back to Milwaukee?

Any of you -- especially those who *clearly* talk to [and from what I have gleaned on behalf of] hundreds and hundreds of Marquette alums and fans on a regular basis -- know anything about Trevor's whereabouts?

Thanks for the greatest post of the thread.

[MR.HAYWARD]

We didn't start 4 freshman in 90-91.  Most games it was 2, for a couple games it was 1.  Anglavar and Powell were seniors.  Curry was a 3rd year sophomore.  Heck, when he started Keith Stewart was a 3rd year sophomore as well.

Second, if you don't think that team had a ton of talent you are kidding yourself.  When you actually look at the roster, it was extremely talented.  Key as a freshman was better than all but two players on the 1987-88 team....heck Key as a hs junior was better than all but two players on the 1987-88 team.  Anglavar and Powell were better as seniors than they were as freshman in 1987-88, Curry in his first year with MU was an immediate impact player, Logterman averaged double figures as a freshman despite playing out of position, and for the first time in quite awhile MU was deep enough that they could keep a Top 100 freshman in McIlvaine on the bench.

Talent is talent, doesn't matter whether a player is a freshman or a senior, if they've got it you'll know, and those guys all had it right away.

see i have to disagree with that Powell and Anglavar we neither very good as the previous poster added, T. Smith made them look good they both really really struglled withou them.  Curry was good.  Dont remember Stewrt starting.  Now as far as the Freshmen apart from Key although they were relatively highly rated, barely top 100 they were not entirely ready to step in and performa ala a Jerel and Dj as they were no where near as athletic and no where near as highly rated. 
Nevertheless, that is all trumped by the fact that if you do not have a point guard let alone have to play a freshman at the point who is very unathletic relative to the guys guarding him and has never played the positon before you are in freaking trouble. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Any of you -- especially those who *clearly* talk to [and from what I have gleaned on behalf of] hundreds and hundreds of Marquette alums and fans on a regular basis -- know anything about Trevor's whereabouts?


Thanks for the greatest post of the thread.

It's easy, just go to www.trevorpowell.com to find out where he's been     

[BrewCity83]

It's easy, just go to www.trevorpowell.com to find out where he's been     

Wow, Trevor's take on ActionScript 3 and ExternalInterface are mind blowing!

[bma725]

see i have to disagree with that Powell and Anglavar we neither very good as the previous poster added, T. Smith made them look good they both really really struglled withou them.  Curry was good.  Dont remember Stewrt starting.  Now as far as the Freshmen apart from Key although they were relatively highly rated, barely top 100 they were not entirely ready to step in and performa ala a Jerel and Dj as they were no where near as athletic and no where near as highly rated. 
Nevertheless, that is all trumped by the fact that if you do not have a point guard let alone have to play a freshman at the point who is very unathletic relative to the guys guarding him and has never played the positon before you are in freaking trouble. 

There's just one problem.  The previous poster was wrong about Tony Smith making them look good, they were good.  Powell's senior season was down statistically and he still averaged 12+ PPG to finish second on the team and he led the team with 7.3 RPG.  His shooting percentage as a senior is second all time in MU history, and Tony Smith wasn't there to give him easy baskets.  Anglavar still holds the senior season record for 3 point percentage, he's top 10 in assists and 3 point field goals made as senior.  Again all without Tony Smith.

The freshman were not as athletic or highly rated, but basketball was a very different game in 1991 and they weren't stepping in to the modern Big East.  The MCC that year was one of the worst conferences in the country.  Only Xavier made the NCAA Tournament, and they did it as a 14 seed.  Butler was the only other team to play in the post season, where they lost in the first round of the NIT.  Besides those two only SLU had a winning record and the rest of the conference was awful.  Dayton went 14-15. Evansville went 14-14.  Detroit and Loyola were worse than MU going 9-19 and 10-19 respectively.  Not only that, but out of conference they lost twice to a Notre Dame team that went 12-20.   Say what you want about experience, but a team with 5 Top 100 recruits on the roster(six if you count Stewart), and one of the university's top 10 scorers(Powell) should do better than 11-18.

Am I saying they should have won 20 games? No.  But they should have been closer to .500 given the talent that was on the roster.

[MR.HAYWARD]

creans first and second teams at MU really sucked too.  Dont give me a those were Deanes players either because you are not affording that to Oneill.

[bma725]

creans first and second teams at MU really sucked too.  Dont give me a those were Deanes players either because you are not affording that to Oneill.

What the f**k does Crean have to do with any of this?  Are you simply incapable of going more than one post without mentioning him?  This is about O'Neill and Dukiet, and the fact that given the talent on the respective rosters in 1987-88 and 1990-91, Dukiet had the better coaching performance.  Crean, Deane, Buzz, Majerus or any other coach have nothing to do with it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

There's just one problem.  The previous poster was wrong about Tony Smith making them look good, they were good.  Powell's senior season was down statistically and he still averaged 12+ PPG to finish second on the team and he led the team with 7.3 RPG.  His shooting percentage as a senior is second all time in MU history, and Tony Smith wasn't there to give him easy baskets.  Anglavar still holds the senior season record for 3 point percentage, he's top 10 in assists and 3 point field goals made as senior.  Again all without Tony Smith.

The freshman were not as athletic or highly rated, but basketball was a very different game in 1991 and they weren't stepping in to the modern Big East.  The MCC that year was one of the worst conferences in the country.  Only Xavier made the NCAA Tournament, and they did it as a 14 seed.  Butler was the only other team to play in the post season, where they lost in the first round of the NIT.  Besides those two only SLU had a winning record and the rest of the conference was awful.  Dayton went 14-15. Evansville went 14-14.  Detroit and Loyola were worse than MU going 9-19 and 10-19 respectively.  Not only that, but out of conference they lost twice to a Notre Dame team that went 12-20.   Say what you want about experience, but a team with 5 Top 100 recruits on the roster(six if you count Stewart), and one of the university's top 10 scorers(Powell) should do better than 11-18.

Am I saying they should have won 20 games? No.  But they should have been closer to .500 given the talent that was on the roster.

+1

[Silky]

What happened at the basketball camp with Crean?

[ChicosBailBonds]

What happened at the basketball camp with Crean?

He gave his son an award as an elite camper, much like other fathers who coach do this all the time in Little League, AYSO, etc.  Case in point, my son's Little League team just had the All-Stars voted on.  My son made it, as he should of (being honest, he was one of the best players in the league) but the coach put his own son on the team as well and voted him in, not a chance in the world his kid is one of the top 14 kids in the league, he wasn't even top 10 on our own team.

But this stuff happens all the time in the real world and the anti-Crean folks basically tacked that up as another reason he's the anti-Christ.  Should he have done it?  Nope.  But parents do silly things sometimes to boost confidence in their kids, show them their love or whatever their thought process is.  Sometimes emotion makes you do silly things for your kids.

[4everwarriors]

He gave his son an award as an elite camper, much like other fathers who coach do this all the time in Little League, AYSO, etc.  Case in point, my son's Little League team just had the All-Stars voted on.  My son made it, as he should of (being honest, he was one of the best players in the league) but the coach put his own son on the team as well and voted him in, not a chance in the world his kid is one of the top 14 kids in the league, he wasn't even top 10 on our own team.

But this stuff happens all the time in the real world and the anti-Crean folks basically tacked that up as another reason he's the anti-Christ.  Should he have done it?  Nope.  But parents do silly things sometimes to boost confidence in their kids, show them their love or whatever their thought process is.  Sometimes emotion makes you do silly things for your kids.

Glad you agree Crean needs psychoanalysis or an increase in his medication. A volunteer little league coach and the face of a Big East University's basketball program cannot be equated. To be totally honest, Riley should never have been a camper at his dad's camp. I'm sure Calipari, Sampson, Izzo, or any one of TC's close personal buds would have welcomed the kid at their camp. Hell, I could have gotten him "comped" at Bruce's basketball camp. Just another example of Crean's arrogance and greed. Not really that surprising considerin he always thinks his actions fool the faithful followers. Tom just isn't a very classy or bright guy.

[MR.HAYWARD]

That is not what happened and absolutely not even close to what happened.  Chicos was not there I absolutely guarantee he was not there yet he somehow feels qualified to come on here and describe what happened like he was there.  Absolute pathetic attempt to defend what happened. 

Here is exactly what happened:

At the end of the Mu camp they gather all the players around before the pickup time and all the parents are assembled in the seating in the Al.  They then proceed to give away awards for free team championships etc. Then they give individual awards similar to what they do for the regualr team, Hustle award, leadership award, toughness award, playmaker award, etc. etc.  Meanwhile Crean is pacing around as he can only do waorking as the emcee.

Now Riley is adecent little player but he was on a team with McIvaines two boys who both push 6 feet as 10 year olds, seltzers boy who can play and is on a clearly hand chosen team who dominated everyone all week long and won the champioship undefeated.  Bogus if you were paying attention...becuase all the other teams are chosen randomly and determined when you walk in.  my son plays a t apretty elite level of AAu and half the kids there cant barely dribble, so most good players are on there own team wise and are lucky to have another good player on their team.  yet somehow the mcilvaines seltzer, crean are all on one team and dominate the team section of the camp.

so Crean is calling that team up again and again to get all the team trophies etc.  Then that part is over and that was fair enough in the sense that probably 80% of the people have no idea who the seltzer boy is, and probably dont realize those are the mcilvaine boys. 

But then the individual awards start getting handed out and of course Riley wins the first he gets his award to cheers.  Now keep in mind these are all subjective awards and there are 300 kids assembled in the gym, hustle award, toughness award, playmaker award etc.

Then he gets the next award to cheers as people kind of look at each other.  now there are like 3 trophies left on the table  and he gets the next award.  Now people are no longer cheering some laughing with disbeleif, alot of murmuring and alot of questioning of why crean would do this. 

then another kid gets an award and the place goes crazy,

then Crean gives his kid the next award or two and the place is simply beyond disbelief, people are embarrassed for and with Tom crean.  most parents have been in those types of situation and give the awards to people other than there children even if there child is deserving simply do to the politics of being the coach.  I dont think a person in the gym would have had a single problem with him getting an award or even two but to get almost every single awrd when for sure there was another deserving child in a gym of 300 campers. 

simply an embarrassing moment and a tremendous bit of insight to hundreds of Mu parents, alumni, and fans of what kind of person Tom Crean is.

People hear rumors, etc. people that were not around him heard of his arrogance and of how he treated people, but for literally hundreds of adults to see someone do something like that simply made me giggle as he publically embarrased him self for about 10 staright minutes.  the shaking of heads and the whispering etc. and in many cases anger and resentment that went on was so absolutely priceless i wish i could have recorded it all.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

That is not what happened and absolutely not even close to what happened.  Chicos was not there I absolutely guarantee he was not there yet he somehow feels qualified to come on here and describe what happened like he was there.  Absolute pathetic attempt to defend what happened. 

Here is exactly what happened:

At the end of the Mu camp they gather all the players around before the pickup time and all the parents are assembled in the seating in the Al.  They then proceed to give away awards for free team championships etc. Then they give individual awards similar to what they do for the regualr team, Hustle award, leadership award, toughness award, playmaker award, etc. etc.  Meanwhile Crean is pacing around as he can only do waorking as the emcee.

Now Riley is adecent little player but he was on a team with McIvaines two boys who both push 6 feet as 10 year olds, seltzers boy who can play and is on a clearly hand chosen team who dominated everyone all week long and won the champioship undefeated.  Bogus if you were paying attention...becuase all the other teams are chosen randomly and determined when you walk in.  my son plays a t apretty elite level of AAu and half the kids there cant barely dribble, so most good players are on there own team wise and are lucky to have another good player on their team.  yet somehow the mcilvaines seltzer, crean are all on one team and dominate the team section of the camp.

so Crean is calling that team up again and again to get all the team trophies etc.  Then that part is over and that was fair enough in the sense that probably 80% of the people have no idea who the seltzer boy is, and probably dont realize those are the mcilvaine boys. 

But then the individual awards start getting handed out and of course Riley wins the first he gets his award to cheers.  Now keep in mind these are all subjective awards and there are 300 kids assembled in the gym, hustle award, toughness award, playmaker award etc.

Then he gets the next award to cheers as people kind of look at each other.  now there are like 3 trophies left on the table  and he gets the next award.  Now people are no longer cheering some laughing with disbeleif, alot of murmuring and alot of questioning of why crean would do this. 

then another kid gets an award and the place goes crazy,

then Crean gives his kid the next award or two and the place is simply beyond disbelief, people are embarrassed for and with Tom crean.  most parents have been in those types of situation and give the awards to people other than there children even if there child is deserving simply do to the politics of being the coach.  I dont think a person in the gym would have had a single problem with him getting an award or even two but to get almost every single awrd when for sure there was another deserving child in a gym of 300 campers. 

simply an embarrassing moment and a tremendous bit of insight to hundreds of Mu parents, alumni, and fans of what kind of person Tom Crean is.

People hear rumors, etc. people that were not around him heard of his arrogance and of how he treated people, but for literally hundreds of adults to see someone do something like that simply made me giggle as he publically embarrased him self for about 10 staright minutes.  the shaking of heads and the whispering etc. and in many cases anger and resentment that went on was so absolutely priceless i wish i could have recorded it all.

If this story is true, all it illustrates to me is that Crean is a douche. I already knew that, and I never claimed he wasn't. His haircut sucks, his ties are too long, his rhetoric and speeches became predictable and old.

However, he helped MU and provided me with hours of entertainment, and that's why I don't hate the guy like you guys do.

A lot of guys in power positions (CEOs, company presidents, head coaches, etc.) are douches and terribly arrogant. Now, that doesn't mean they deserve a free pass... but I'm just saying that it's not surprising. The president of my former employer was a HUGE douche. However, it was that personality that allowed him to make tough, smart business decisions when nicer people would have probably failed.

Crean being a douche isn't surprising.

[MR.HAYWARD]

He gave his son an award as an elite camper, much like other fathers who coach do this all the time in Little League, AYSO, etc.  Case in point, my son's Little League team just had the All-Stars voted on.  My son made it, as he should of (being honest, he was one of the best players in the league) but the coach put his own son on the team as well and voted him in, not a chance in the world his kid is one of the top 14 kids in the league, he wasn't even top 10 on our own team.

But this stuff happens all the time in the real world and the anti-Crean folks basically tacked that up as another reason he's the anti-Christ.  Should he have done it?  Nope.  But parents do silly things sometimes to boost confidence in their kids, show them their love or whatever their thought process is.  Sometimes emotion makes you do silly things for your kids.

not what happened at all...secondly usually if a person is volunteering to coach a team there child does have a benefit of having a better chance of making it.

howver, you are dead wrong maybe it is how you think but i beleive most people of character do not.  i have coached my boys in abaseball and basketball for many years.  in none of those years were they not by far the best player on their teams.  yet maybe on one or two occasions over  the last 10 years have they ever won and award or been given a game ball awarded by the coach.  you do that and the parents simply say " well of coarse, he is the coaches kid" it builds resentment and causes nothing but problems.  I coached all-stars and travel teams and my kids always batted last despite annually winning the league hit-athon etc. They would ask w
"why do i have to bat last i am better than all those guys"  the answer was "becuase you are the caoaches son"  they got to the point that they never asked about it they just knew it was going to be that way.  When my basketball teams are up 30 they sit the second half so other kids can play and only go in for a few to get a kid a breather, i dont need to prove to anyone they are good.  while you see other teams coaches sons play whole second half trying to pad point totals.

two different midsets.  maybe the reson you like Crean so much chicos is becuase you are on the same wave length.  sad.

[MR.HAYWARD]

If this story is true, all it illustrates to me is that Crean is a douche. I already knew that, and I never claimed he wasn't. His haircut sucks, his ties are too long, his rhetoric and speeches became predictable and old.

However, he helped MU and provided me with hours of entertainment, and that's why I don't hate the guy like you guys do.

A lot of guys in power positions (CEOs, company presidents, head coaches, etc.) are douches and terribly arrogant. Now, that doesn't mean they deserve a free pass... but I'm just saying that it's not surprising. The president of my former employer was a HUGE douche. However, it was that personality that allowed him to make tough, smart business decisions when nicer people would have probably failed.

Crean being a douche isn't surprising.

2002 that is exactly what happend and i am sure with an entire half of the Al being filled with parents there has to be one or more that post on here that could verify that my story is 100% true , possibly not aware of the stacked team.  But the individual awards part was as surreal a scene as i have ever withnessesed.  i swear if there was another award or two to give out the place might have rioted. 

in fact i beleive other posters have verified the story in the past. 

by the way my boys have gone to the camps for years and if you ahve little ones that are big time Mu fans like there parents the camps are great.  my kids typically go to "elite" camps and the Mu camps suck in the sense that half the kids are "non-basketball players"  and they dont really drill the kids hard.  but my kids love the camps becuase Dj, jerel and all the playersa and ex players are there as counselors etc.  worth the money alone for the fun and joy they have mingling, hanging, getting autograph, dunk contests etc with those guys all week.

[CrimsonNCrean]

We were bad, but not that bad.   Let's also not forget that Wisconsin-Madison was an absolute freaking JOKE during that time....54 straight years of no NCAA apperances.  We were the only program in the state by and large, that helped tremendously in getting MacIlvaine, Key and Logtermann.   Those times have changed considerably by the time Deane and Crean came in.  We were no longer a monopoly in basketball.

O'Neill did some nice things for the program, he also was a brutal representative off the court in many ways.  There's a reason why KO never made it to a It's Indiana, It's Indiana destination but instead at Tennessee, Northwestern and a one year cluster screw at Arizona (as well as his hopping from one NBA destination to another).  He doesn't get that little thing called BEHAVIOUR in public and how to treat people appropriately. 

For all the people that supposedly hate Crean, I find it amazing how he keeps coming up so positively in the press from Doc Rivers to Doug Melvin to fill in your choice of names.   Crean is an SOB like most of them, but I never saw that kind of love or respect for KO from other folks in the industry and outside of it.  In fact, the Crean detractors almost uniformly come from a group of about 50 people of which 60% of them are on this board. 

The vast number of Milwaukee fans will remember him for taking a school that had ONE (ONE!!!!) Sweet 16 apperance in 25 years to a NCAA Final Four.  They will remember him bringing in NBA players Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Travis Diener and potential NBA players in Wesley Matthews, Jerel McNeal, Dominic James and Lazar Hayward.  They will remember sold out games, going to the Big East, going to the NCAAs consistently, no NCAA infraction issues, no police blotter issues, damn near perfect graduation rates.   That's what most will remember.  Yeah, he could be a prick, but he didn't crap on the university (KO did), he wasn't publicly cheating on his wife with MU coeds, he wasn't out publicly drunk constantly at various Milwaukee bars for all to see.  But yes, he was a self promoter....damn, what a sin.   

I can't think of one in the entire NCAA coaching profession that is not one.........

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

2002 that is exactly what happend and i am sure with an entire half of the Al being filled with parents there has to be one or more that post on here that could verify that my story is 100% true , possibly not aware of the stacked team.  But the individual awards part was as surreal a scene as i have ever withnessesed.  i swear if there was another award or two to give out the place might have rioted. 

in fact i beleive other posters have verified the story in the past. 

by the way my boys have gone to the camps for years and if you ahve little ones that are big time Mu fans like there parents the camps are great.  my kids typically go to "elite" camps and the Mu camps suck in the sense that half the kids are "non-basketball players"  and they dont really drill the kids hard.  but my kids love the camps becuase Dj, jerel and all the playersa and ex players are there as counselors etc.  worth the money alone for the fun and joy they have mingling, hanging, getting autograph, dunk contests etc with those guys all week.

fine. it happened. whatever. I'm not trying to debate that.

The guy was an asset to MU, and that's why I don't hate him like you do.

He's not the first guy that was a douche that was good at his job. He's not the last.

Again, I don't think anybody around here is going to nominate TC for sainthood, but he did promote MU (and himself) and is definitely the 2nd or 3rd best coach in MU history.

You can say he's a douche, but don't pretend like he didn't help MU.

[ChicosBailBonds]

fine. it happened. whatever. I'm not trying to debate that.

The guy was an asset to MU, and that's why I don't hate him like you do.

He's not the first guy that was a douche that was good at his job. He's not the last.

Again, I don't think anybody around here is going to nominate TC for sainthood, but he did promote MU (and himself) and is definitely the 2nd or 3rd best coach in MU history.

You can say he's a douche, but don't pretend like he didn't help MU.

I wonder if Hayward was there, since he lives in Indiana.  The notion of him having offspring is also frightening, but maybe he likes to follow boys around at basketball camps in the event he doesn't have kids.   

As I said, should he have done it....nope.  Absolutely not.  Unfortunately people do really stupid things when it comes to their kids for whatever reason.   

Now the bigger question is how does this translate to what he did for Marquette University and the basketball program?  I'll bet Rick Majerus didn't give his kid those awards (because he doesn't have kids), therefore that makes Rick a better coach at MU apparently.    

[4everwarriors]

Did Riley win the award for most deflections too?

[Marquette84]

  my son plays a t apretty elite level of AAu and half the kids there cant barely dribble, so most good players are on there own team wise and are lucky to have another good player on their team.

So this begs the question . . .

Why would you send your son to his camp in the first place?  Seriously--you hate the man.  You claim he's both a lousy coach and a lousy person. 

Yet, you send YOUR SON--who apparently has options as a player an a "pretty elite" AAU league-- to attend TOM CREAN'S BASKETBALL CAMP???  Of all the basketball camps across the country, you choose the camp run by the one guy you hate more than anyone else in basketball?

I'm sorry, but I don't get it.  You hate the guy, and there are plenty of other options--yet  send your kid to his camp?