USC and UCLA afraid to recruit Renardo Sidney

[texaswarrior74]

Interesting take on concerns about illegal money for his dad/AAU Coach.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/Even-USC-was-scared-to-recruit-Renardo-Sidney?urn=ncaab,160941

[MR.HAYWARD]

then an SEC or B11 school makes all the sense in the world.

[CAINMUTINY]

All the more reason these kids should be paid in some way or another while suiting up on campus; it might promote some more intense academic scrutiny and get over this bologna.  I mean who honestly believes that these programs don't hand out money to recruits, coaches or parents.....please

[bma725]

Looks like they've edited the article since it first went up this morning. 

Originally it ended "When even Tim Floyd is scared to recruit you, how dirty are you?"

[GGGG]

All the more reason these kids should be paid in some way or another while suiting up on campus; it might promote some more intense academic scrutiny and get over this bologna.  I mean who honestly believes that these programs don't hand out money to recruits, coaches or parents.....please

Do you think Marquette does?

[CAINMUTINY]

It would surprise me if they didn't......lets put it that way

[ChicosBailBonds]

All the more reason these kids should be paid in some way or another while suiting up on campus; it might promote some more intense academic scrutiny and get over this bologna.  I mean who honestly believes that these programs don't hand out money to recruits, coaches or parents.....please

And what are you going to do with women's volleyball, tennis, track, lacrosse, etc....every other sport that loses money?  Pay them also?  How much? How about DII?  Do they get paid?  Do you start paying the QB more than the 4th string linebacker?  Pandora's Box which basically would end Marquette athletics.  So think long and hard about that idea.

These kids do get paid, a free college education.  If they don't like it, they can go to Europe or slug it out like the rest of us that paid our way through college.

I don't pretend to ignore that universities get a good deal out of athletics to market the school, bring in revenues, etc.  On the other hand, the vast vast vast majority of student athletes perform in a sport that loses money from day one.  Only football, basketball and to some varying degrees, hockey, are profitable.  Even then, there are a few football programs that lose money.

[CAINMUTINY]

+1......well said.  I think at the very least these kids should be able to sign endorsement contracts in which they would have to defer the income until they graduate (or leave) and can then borrow some percentage against what they are owed while still enrolled in school. 

[augoman]

I've always felt that the school a player chooses is vital as it takes the place of the farm team in baseball-  the player is not only tutored and educated, but developed, trained, bulked-up/slimmed-down, pushed to be his best, show-cased on national tv, matched-up against the best competitive talent available and so on, all for his future success..., unless he chooses poorly.  If the kids started to be 'paid', they should also be 'charged'.

[MarquetteDano]

And what are you going to do with women's volleyball, tennis, track, lacrosse, etc....every other sport that loses money?  Pay them also?  How much? How about DII?  Do they get paid?  Do you start paying the QB more than the 4th string linebacker?  Pandora's Box which basically would end Marquette athletics.  So think long and hard about that idea.

These kids do get paid, a free college education.  If they don't like it, they can go to Europe or slug it out like the rest of us that paid our way through college.

I don't pretend to ignore that universities get a good deal out of athletics to market the school, bring in revenues, etc.  On the other hand, the vast vast vast majority of student athletes perform in a sport that loses money from day one.  Only football, basketball and to some varying degrees, hockey, are profitable.  Even then, there are a few football programs that lose money.

Agree with Chicos on this one.  Once you open the Pandoras box there is no going back.  Also, from a biased perspective, you think there is a lack of parity in college basketball now?  Forget it when the paying thing opens up.

We all put our time in when we are young.  I was grossly underpaid in my first job.  However, the experience I received was phenomenal.  The same for the college basketball players.  Like Chicos said, if they don't like it there is Europe and other leagues.

What I find interesting is that everyone is so upset that these kids don't get paid, however when presented with a choice, like in baseball, many kids choose the non-pay, college route.  Look how much talent goes to Division One baseball versus getting a check in the minor leagues.

[GGGG]

+1......well said.  I think at the very least these kids should be able to sign endorsement contracts in which they would have to defer the income until they graduate (or leave) and can then borrow some percentage against what they are owed while still enrolled in school. 

I agree with Chicos.  However I have said that they should be paid up to the cost of attendance at their school.  For financial aid purposes, every school has to have a cost of attendance figure that includes not only the direct costs (tuition, room and board) but also indirect costs (transportation, spending money.)  I think the athletic scholarship should not only include the direct costs, but the indirect ones as well.

[CAINMUTINY]

I agree with chicos beyond a reasonable doubt.  The reason that baseball sees so many kids go to college rather than the pro's is because most minor league contracts are heavily back loaded and almost never guaranteed.  The is an endless supply of baseball players much like soccer and the competition is fierce; basketball however does not see the same sheer numbers of players throughout the world and therefore cannot offer such harsh contract terms.

[reinko]

An idea was floated aroud on the Dan Patrick show a few weeks back.  At the very least universities that sell jerseys of players (even though their isn't on the back of them, but you get the idea).  The player, upon graduation could receive a cut of those profits. 

It was reported that UNC sold X # of thousands #50 jerseys in 08-09, so a trust could be setup in that players name.

Sounds kind of interesting I think.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

An idea was floated aroud on the Dan Patrick show a few weeks back.  At the very least universities that sell jerseys of players (even though their isn't on the back of them, but you get the idea).  The player, upon graduation could receive a cut of those profits. 

It was reported that UNC sold X # of thousands #50 jerseys in 08-09, so a trust could be setup in that players name.

Sounds kind of interesting I think.

Interesting idea, but then I'd be fearful that kids would start to chose schools based on potential merchandise sales instead of the other current factors (coach, playing time, television, etc.).

Some of the reasons kids chose schools now aren't exactly perfect, but I'd hate to add "They can sell a lot of my jersey" to the list.

[GooooMarquette]

The jersey idea -- or any system in which power schools can give big stipends -- will just make the rich richer.  As 2002mualum notes, any decent player's jersey would sell well at a place like UNC or UK, so they could easily "outbid" most other schools.

Seems like the best compromise might be some fixed stipend that all D-1 schools could arguably afford.  Probably not anywhere near enough to prevent all of the abuses we see today, but it might help.

[wiscwarrior]

Maybe the stipend should come directly from the NCAA. Taking the individual institution out of the equation. They could use money from NCAA sponsored events such as the basketball tournament, hockey tournament, etc.. Unfortunately the administrators at the NCAA might have to take a pay cut.

[CAINMUTINY]

I think Chicos said it best when he compared it to "opening pandora's box".  There is no doubt that the universities get more than their fair share from athletes in sports such as football and basketball, but the possible solutions aren't much better than the current ncaa rules.  Perhaps some day there will be a better system but until then, cash will be king, no show jobs will exist and ridiculous underwriting requirements will be offered to those who will never be expected to pay back the loan.

[redbirdwarrior]

Chicos is way right.  A few years back, the accepted statistic was that the average college graduate makes $1,000,000 more in his or her lifetime than someone without a degree.  I guess the schools are deferring the payments by allowing athletes to get the chance at the extra mil-dough.  I am sure that an MU degree is worth even more.  Since we are currently at a 100% graduation rate, I think that that payment is certainly enough.  I would have loved to have had a full ride at MU, but instead (gladly) struggled with law school loans for eight years.