should Marquette retire Dominic James' #?

[NYWarrior]

Tony Miller's #10 should be up there as well. Always thought he got lost in the shuffle, but if he's not the best PG in MU history he's a close second.

I'm a big Tony Miller fan......but he's not the 2nd best PG to ever play at MU -- and it's not even close.....Not with this heritage (in no particular order):  Meminger, Lee, Rivers, Diener, James, Smith.

You can make a case for Tony as #4, maybe.  But I wont take that either.

[Hards Alumni]

do not retire James' number.

I love the kid, and all he has done.

but, retiring jerseys for the sake of retiring jerseys is lame.

[bma725]

He was Associated Press Honorable Mention All-American. All his other all-america honors that year were pre-season teams.

I'm aware of that.  MU has always counted the Honorable Mention All-Americans, and even things like Street & Smiths or Chuck Taylor All Americans on the same level as the guys that made one of the top teams.

[MUfan12]

I'm a big Tony Miller fan......but he's not the 2nd best PG to ever play at MU -- and it's not even close.....Not with this heritage (in no particular order):  Meminger, Lee, Rivers, Diener, James, Smith.

You can make a case for Tony as #4, maybe.  But I wont take that either.

Oooh.... I don't know. I'd put him behind Meminger and maybe Diener. Smith, Rivers, and Lee all played more of the 2 guard I thought. He's still, over 4 years, more of a pure PG than James has been. We could use his one man destruction of the Pitino press on Sunday 

[Badgerhater]

All Jersey retirements should be done with some perspective.   There should be a minimum of five years before a player is eligible to have his jersey retired.   By that time, the team has cycled through every player that may have played with the person in question and the retired jersey player moves into the category of elder statesman of the program.  For the record, I think Wade was done too quick and for the wrong reason.  It was a PR stunt for the program, rather than truly honoring Wade.

With that said, when the five years is up, I think all three amigos should be retired at the same time on one banner.   Each made the others better...the whole is greater than the sum of the three individual parts.

[GGGG]

With that said, when the five years is up, I think all three amigos should be retired at the same time on one banner.   Each made the others better...the whole is greater than the sum of the three individual parts.

With Dwight Burke too of course.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

If you can't retire it for a player that's going to be 3rd in scoring, 2nd in assists, 1st in games played etc.  Then who can you retire it for?

+1000

I think some of you guys are missing DJ's place in history.

Very few players have had the steady consistency and impact he has had for 4 years.

[THEGYMBAR]

Tony Miller? Come on, that is taking things way too far. Post Al/Pre Crean the only deserving player is DWade. Diener was great college player, but not worthy of retiring jersey. Tony Smith had a great senior year but competition was much less than today.

McNeal would get my vote but it would be five years from now. Retired numbers ae for legends and few make the grade in my mind. Lucas was not deserving based on MU body of work and same holds true to Doc. Earl Tatum was awesome but not even close to be worthy of that honor. Who are we going to retire next Chris Crawford?

For a period MU used retired jersey's and reunion nights for great teams to get some attendance. Those days are over I hope. 1st team all Americans that win a ton get retired.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

TOO SOON...... let the dust settle and get emotion out of it

[RaleighWarrior]

Tony Miller? Come on, that is taking things way too far. Post Al/Pre Crean the only deserving player is DWade. Diener was great college player, but not worthy of retiring jersey. Tony Smith had a great senior year but competition was much less than today.

McNeal would get my vote but it would be five years from now. Retired numbers ae for legends and few make the grade in my mind. Lucas was not deserving based on MU body of work and same holds true to Doc. Earl Tatum was awesome but not even close to be worthy of that honor. Who are we going to retire next Chris Crawford?

For a period MU used retired jersey's and reunion nights for great teams to get some attendance. Those days are over I hope. 1st team all Americans that win a ton get retired.

exactly

[mu1642]

You have top retire all three at one time@@@@

[reinko]

Just retire the #46.

[MUfan12]

Tony Miller? Come on, that is taking things way too far.

Not that far-fetched.

-Four year starter
-123 games played
-Two NCAA bids
-Sweet 16
-NIT Runner Up
-1,000 point scorer
-956 career assists- 300 more than Dominic in 2nd
-561 rebounds
-8th in career steals
-8th in 3pt made

Pretty decent resume. It depends on the approach, if we gonna retire a bunch of jerseys rather than numbers, he's gotta be in the discussion.

*disclaimer- my favorite MU player until Wade got here*

[THEGYMBAR]

MUFan12---You are not alone in liking Tony Miller. Obviously many of us have favorites from our younger days and can understand those like Miller. My only point is that he really is not even top 5 in his position in school history, or if so, just barely. Different era when he played and unfortunately for him it was a good but not great era.

[dwaderoy2004]

Just retire the #46.

22+23+1 ?

[Avenue Commons]

I would like to see some sort of recognition that takes the three amigos as a group.   Maybe a cool sombrero or something.      Seriously, you can't have one without the other two. 

They should all have their jersey retired individually, but all on the same night.

We are in for some dark days ahead when those 3 graduate.

[dwaderoy2004]

dark days?  get some facts and then come back and see me.  next year will not be nearly as successful as this year, but the program as a whole is in great shape.  maybe hazy days, as far as seeing how the recruits and buzz pan out, but all in all, not much to be worried about.

[AlumKCof93]

I didn't want to start on a thread on this as I know its too soon for such talk, but who will be our starter at the #2 next year?

[dwaderoy2004]

i would guess buycks or butler.

[bma725]

Tony Miller? Come on, that is taking things way too far. Post Al/Pre Crean the only deserving player is DWade. Diener was great college player, but not worthy of retiring jersey. Tony Smith had a great senior year but competition was much less than today.

McNeal would get my vote but it would be five years from now. Retired numbers ae for legends and few make the grade in my mind. Lucas was not deserving based on MU body of work and same holds true to Doc. Earl Tatum was awesome but not even close to be worthy of that honor. Who are we going to retire next Chris Crawford?

For a period MU used retired jersey's and reunion nights for great teams to get some attendance. Those days are over I hope. 1st team all Americans that win a ton get retired.

Earl Tatum was a first team All American and won a ton, how is he not worthy?

[T-Bone]

I like the sombrero in the rafters with their numbers on it.
However, retiring his jersey will be dependent on what happens in post-season.  If the team (even w/o him) goes far, I think the odds go up. 

[NYWarrior]

Earl Tatum was a first team All American and won a ton, how is he not worthy?

outstanding response.  leading the team to a title game might have helped too, eh?

[ChicosBailBonds]

If you can't retire it for a player that's going to be 3rd in scoring, 2nd in assists, 1st in games played etc.  Then who can you retire it for?

Exactly what I would say.  He has the numbers.  I would wait 5 years at least, but he should get it.


Incidentally, remember all the crap about Wade being retired in just a few years.  If we waited 5 years, it would be right about now....right in the middle of his very ugly divorce, etc.  Sometimes timing works out just right.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I don't think it should be limited to all-Americans only, though I think anyone that does reach that status should automatically get it (North Carolina hangs the jersey in the rafters of any player that is 1st or 2nd team All America, or an MVP of a national title team, or a member of a Gold Medal Olympic team).  Note, I said hung in the rafters, doesn't mean the jersey is retired.

UNC has only retired 7 jerseys but 43 are hung in the rafters.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honored_North_Carolina_Tar_Heels_men%27s_basketball_players