Bucyks

[Silky]

How is Dwight Bucyks doing with his academics? Reading the Wilson thread made me think maybe Buzz is still recruiting in case one of the incoming recruits don't make it.

Here is a thread from Badger insiders discussing Bucyks this summer which is interesting.

http://buckyville.yuku.com/topic/7681/t/MU-to-get-Dwight-Bucyks.html

[bma725]

Buycks academics are fine at this point.  His GPA is over 3.0.

He's at the JUCO because he didn't take enough core classes in HS, so the only thing he's got to worry about is making sure he takes the right classes.

[MR.HAYWARD]

That is correct...in HS Dwight had the GPA and test scores to go play at Bradley that fall.  However, due to the amazing inability, of whom I am sure is a lifelong bureaucratic guidance counselor, Dwight failed to take a NCAA core requirement class. Simply never took a required class and due to the inept guidance department was never "guided" to make sure his requirements were fulfilled.  Was told by the NCAA he was missing a class when it was already too late.  Dwight is fine academically.

[tower912]

That conversation is from June.   Which leads me to ask, why are these losers so obsessed with MU hoops and why are they so incapable of getting their facts right?   They are just like (pick one of the following depending on your political beliefs) MSNBC/Fox News.    They had nothing better to do in June than obsess inaccurately about somebody else's school.   Lame, defined. 

[Marquette84]

Buycks academics are fine at this point.  His GPA is over 3.0.

He's at the JUCO because he didn't take enough core classes in HS, so the only thing he's got to worry about is making sure he takes the right classes.

Not doubting this at all--just curious if anyone knows why Buycks chose the JUCO route rather than a year at prep school. 

Wouldn't that have covered his core-course issue without burning any D1 eligibility.

[Hards Alumni]

better competition.

[MR.HAYWARD]

probably had something to do with money

[MuMark]

Buycks had 25 points including 5 3 pointers last night.

[esotericmindguy]

That is correct...in HS Dwight had the GPA and test scores to go play at Bradley that fall.  However, due to the amazing inability, of whom I am sure is a lifelong bureaucratic guidance counselor, Dwight failed to take a NCAA core requirement class. Simply never took a required class and due to the inept guidance department was never "guided" to make sure his requirements were fulfilled.  Was told by the NCAA he was missing a class when it was already too late.  Dwight is fine academically.

OMG, are you serious!  I would be irate.

Its looking like he'll be the starting 2 guard for MU next year.

[Doctor V]

That is correct...in HS Dwight had the GPA and test scores to go play at Bradley that fall.  However, due to the amazing inability, of whom I am sure is a lifelong bureaucratic guidance counselor, Dwight failed to take a NCAA core requirement class. Simply never took a required class and due to the inept guidance department was never "guided" to make sure his requirements were fulfilled.  Was told by the NCAA he was missing a class when it was already too late.  Dwight is fine academically.

you guys serious? have you never been in school? you think a hs counselor is there to guide you to graduate and succeed? please dont put this on the guidance counselor that oversees a bunch of kids and has 6 other jobs at the school. The kid has a brain and parents im sure. Honestly, if a kid cant take the right classes in HS to go to college whats he there for? Dwade qualified, who i know for a fact was not the brightest kid in the world but bright enough to have smart kids do his hw. Dont blame it on the counselor

[MUSF]

you guys serious? have you never been in school? you think a hs counselor is there to guide you to graduate and succeed? please dont put this on the guidance counselor that oversees a bunch of kids and has 6 other jobs at the school. The kid has a brain and parents im sure. Honestly, if a kid cant take the right classes in HS to go to college whats he there for? Dwade qualified, who i know for a fact was not the brightest kid in the world but bright enough to have smart kids do his hw. Dont blame it on the counselor

First of all, yes a guidance counsellor's sole purpose for being there is to guide you to graduate and set the conditions for you as a student to be successful.  God forbid they do there job.  Second, it is awfully presumptuous and arrogant to assume that every kid has parents that one, know what it takes to graduate and two, care.  I am not sure what Dwight's specific situation is with his parents but a lot of kids are in that boat.  Third, DWade wouldn't have qualified under today's standards.  Remember, he was a partial qualifier.

Pretty much your entire post is way off base, IMO.

[Doctor V]

First of all, yes a guidance counsellor's sole purpose for being there is to guide you to graduate and set the conditions for you as a student to be successful.  God forbid they do there job.  Second, it is awfully presumptuous and arrogant to assume that every kid has parents that one, know what it takes to graduate and two, care.  I am not sure what Dwight's specific situation is with his parents but a lot of kids are in that boat.  Third, DWade wouldn't have qualified under today's standards.  Remember, he was a partial qualifier.

Pretty much your entire post is way off base, IMO.

i dont know if you went to a school with 35 kids in your graduating class, and maybe dwight did, but i know that i saw my guidance counselor 4 times in 4 years. even at MU i saw him like 5 times. When youve got all those kids to deal with and all that other stuff (at bigger schools) dont tell me the counselor is the mother theresa for all those kids. Go out there and figure it out yourself, or find someone (a parent or someone else that can help) that will help u figure it out.

If i listened to my HS guidance counselor, theres no way i woulda made it to MU and id be a HS counselor myself (no offense but the 5 times i spoke to him he suggested that as a good job)

PS- its presumptuous to think that a kids parents care, yet its not to think that a guidance counselor does? Interesting

[IAmMarquette]

i dont know if you went to a school with 35 kids in your graduating class, and maybe dwight did, but i know that i saw my guidance counselor 4 times in 4 years. even at MU i saw him like 5 times. When youve got all those kids to deal with and all that other stuff (at bigger schools) dont tell me the counselor is the mother theresa for all those kids. Go out there and figure it out yourself, or find someone (a parent or someone else that can help) that will help u figure it out.

If i listened to my HS guidance counselor, theres no way i woulda made it to MU and id be a HS counselor myself (no offense but the 5 times i spoke to him he suggested that as a good job)

PS- its presumptuous to think that a kids parents care, yet its not to think that a guidance counselor does? Interesting

I gotta go with MUSF on this one. It's quite safe to presume that a guidance counselor cares about making sure kids graduate. That is, after all, in the job description. One might presume it's also part of the "Parent" job description.

There is, however, one key difference between being a guidance counselor and a parent: you don't need a degree (or any formal training at all) to be a parent. Guidance counselors, on the other hand, are trained to counsel and guide students.

[🏀]

Dude, you were an average student that probably needed less guidance. I know I saw my GC once in high school, but I didn't need it.

Dwight was a D-1 athlete which entails a lot of help jumping through the NCAA hoops, he would have needed a lot more attention. It could have very well been that the GC did not have the experience needed to deal with such issues.

The fact that this rumor exists probably has some smoke following it that he did not get the help that he needed. To discredit Dwight for an error in a class is totally off base.

[MR.HAYWARD]

That is correct...part of a guidance counselors job when meeting with a prospective college student is to make sure they have all there ducks in a row.  Now Mudimitri, you probably come from a 2 parent family with many college attendees and grew up in Shaumburg.  Completely different situation from a single parent family, who possiby never had a family member attend college.  Add in the eligibility requiremnts of being a D! athlete and clearinghouse issues and the guidnace counselor has a huge role.  Unfortunately now throw into the mix a MPS guidanace counselor and the success of MPS putting kids in college is well documneted.  Is it hard to imagine a 17 year Buycks seeing that he has good grades a decent test score and assuming he is good to go as his inept guidance counselor that has done zero due diligence tells him he is all set. 
This is part of the reason coaches recrit kids from certain programs/schools they know that it is a properly run operation and not only are the players well taught but these types of things are not probematic.

[Phi Iota Gamma 84]

First of all, yes a guidance counsellor's sole purpose for being there is to guide you to graduate and set the conditions for you as a student to be successful.  God forbid they do there job.  Second, it is awfully presumptuous and arrogant to assume that every kid has parents that one, know what it takes to graduate and two, care.  I am not sure what Dwight's specific situation is with his parents but a lot of kids are in that boat.  Third, DWade wouldn't have qualified under today's standards.  Remember, he was a partial qualifier.

Pretty much your entire post is way off base, IMO.

+!

[jce]

My guess is that Bucyks guidance counselor didn't have the experience or full understanding of the NCAA's requirements.  Furthermore my guess is that his guidance counselor felt that he/she really didn't have to worry much about him.  A good kid...with good grades...good test scores, etc.

Guidance counselor's in MPS have a lot to worry about.  Drop outs, kids with parents who have no concept of post-secondary education, etc. etc.  Furthermore, where was the Bradley staff in this?  They know the requirements of the NCAA better than anyone.  Did no one look at his transcript there?

[MR.HAYWARD]

You are right Bradley does have some blame here as well.  And they may have fallen under the same trap, good grades, good test score and were lazy on the details.