Time for Mitchell to go?

[MR.HAYWARD]

wow!!  this MU84 guy is areal freak.  Hate Terri Mitchell??  wow  dont hate the lady dont even know her?  simply posed the question of when is it time to consider.  The team has definitely trended down the last year and a half and the recruitng is currently abyssmal.  A question and staement like that could spark a two sided discussion ont he pros and cons of her recent career, a discussion about the economics and finances as Chicos discusses.  yet MU 84 goes cookoo and Brings his boyfriend into it.  lastly, undermoning the program with a whisper campagin.  first of ALL WHO IS WHISPEERING!!  i LOVE THE CAHARACTER AND PERSONALITY BUZZ HAS BROUGHT TO THE PROGRAM definitely a refreser compared to the last coach.  He is also a better coach already and a better recruiter than our past caoch.  never will buzz have the worfst front court due to his recruitng for 4 staright years like that clown provided for us.  Go lipscomb!!!!!

[Marquette Fan]

My big concern with the women's team this year(and granted I don't follow it that closely) is it was thought to be and even said by Coach Mitchell herself at MM I believe(and MarquetteFan please correct me if this statement is inaccurate), her deepest and most talented team since she's been at MU. Well, if that is the case, what's the problem?? The talent is there.....so.......

I wasn't at MM so I'm not sure what was said there.  I'm not sure about this being her deepest or most talented team since Mitchell's been here.  But I certainly expected a lot more than this.  I was expecting maybe two non-conference losses and I certainly didn't expect them to lose at home to 2 Horizon League teams.  They played a lot better during the WNIT than they had in the regular season last year and they haven't been able to carry over what they had going in the WNIT into this season.  They have a lot of issues this season - inconsistency and bigtime offensive woes are some of the big ones.

[The Lens]

I wasn't at MM so I'm not sure what was said there.  I'm not sure about this being her deepest or most talented team since Mitchell's been here. 

I heard her say nearly as much on Homer's show.

[rugbydrummer]

There is no reason to argue about below-the-rim basketball.

Ouch.  It's fine if you don't care about women's basketball or sports in general, but betch, please!!--guess you've never heard of Candace Parker?!  And yes, she's graduated, but still.

As for the topic:  really random, btw, and furthermore, why didn't you go pick on Patty Rolf if you're going to pick on women's head coaches/teams not succeeding/head coaches up & leaving, and FURTHERMORE why not start railing on Louis Bennett?? now there's a pseudoembarrassment!  I don't think the men have had a winning record for the past 5 years, so please start defending or destroying his honor ad infinitum. 

I am pretty sure Terri Mitchell is right up there in success with the men's team and Markus Roeders of the women's soccer side.  And maybe it isn't equally glorious, but if it's no big deal to win the NIT, then I guess the men should have won it more often since 1970.

I guess I just don't understand why start paying attention to women's bball now?


Anyway, you guys argue a lot, doesn't it ever get old?

[rugbydrummer]

Also, from MU Band: 

We Love Terri Mitchell.

[Marquette84]

 The team has definitely trended down the last year and a half and the recruitng is currently abyssmal.

Abyssmal?  She signed a 4-star recruit in the fall who is as high as #8 in one service.  Even her worst ranking is #59.  That's not an abyssmal player.

 A question and staement like that could spark a two sided discussion ont he pros and cons of her recent career, a discussion about the economics and finances as Chicos discusses.  

A question like that is needlessly inflammatory, and contains an implied answer. 

yet MU 84 goes cookoo and Brings his boyfriend into it.  

This comment says a lot more about your character than me.

Frankly, you probably have a closer relationship with Crean than I do.  He's actually done something personally to you that pisses you off.   

The deepest relationship I had was in the audience at a coaches luncheon.  Nothing more.

c'lastly, undermoning the program with a whisper campagin.  first of ALL WHO IS WHISPEERING!!  i LOVE THE CAHARACTER AND PERSONALITY BUZZ HAS BROUGHT TO THE PROGRAM definitely a refreser compared to the last coach.

Aha--there's today's slam on Crean.

I could ask what you mean by it, but you never give details.  Just generic attacks without any  basis. 

BTW, I should remind you that Crean brought Buzz to MU.  Buzz thought enough of Crean that he quit a head coaching job to come and work as his assistant.  And Crean recommended Buzz to MU after he left.

 He is also a better coach already and a better recruiter than our past caoch.  

I was probably Buzz's first fan here on the board--when everyone was drooling over the likes Brad Brownell, and criticizing the "hiring process" on equally baseless charges, I was here defending him.  I think we got the right guy. 

That having been said, its a bit early to call him better than Crean already.  He has a couple of impressive wins.  Lets see him win 12 in the Big East before concluding that he's better.

As for recruiting, at this point, we don't know if McMorrow is any better than Kinsella.  We don't know if Otule will develop to be a better player than Barro.  We don't know if Maymon will last longer than Amoroso or Mbakwe.   We don't know if Cadougan will be as good as James or Buycks as good as McNeal.   

That's not ripping those players or Buzz.  I like our recruiting class.  But it is a simple statement of fact that we don't know how they'll be when they get to the college level.  We have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight on Crean's players. 

I hope they all stay and do wind up being better.  I'd like to see us get back to a final four. Which means that Buzz will have built on Crean's success and leave the program in better shape when he found it.  That's something that Crean was able to do, but Deane, Majerus and Raymonds were not.

ever will buzz have the worfst front court due to his recruitng for 4 staright years like that clown provided for us.  Go lipscomb!!!!!

Of course, Crean also has a better incoming frontcourt in his first class at Indiana than he recruited to MU for the last  4 straight years as well. 

Same guy.  Different program.  Better frontcourt players.

In a normal world, pointing out this comparison would suggest that the issue might not be whether Crean could recruit bigs, but rather, whether the limited number of quality bigs that are out there want to attend MU. 

I know that's heresy--the program sells itself based on the tradition and all.  But the fact is Crean is attracting better inside players to IU than he was able to attract to MU.

Of course, in your bizzaro world, you'll probably repeat some comment about how I love Crean.
It sure would be nice if you explain yourself someday.



 

[MUfan12]

FURTHERMORE why not start railing on Louis Bennett?? now there's a pseudoembarrassment!  I don't think the men have had a winning record for the past 5 years, so please start defending or destroying his honor ad infinitum.

I'm with ya other than this point- Coach Bennett was handed a mess when they hired him (3 years ago). The kids were running the program, there was no discipline, and when he dropped the hammer 7 returning players quit. That is a lot to deal with, and put a lot of pressure on their recruiting.

I don't follow them that closely, but from what I can see their talent level is much better, and they're becoming very competitive (if I remember right they took a couple of ranked teams to OT, on the road).

[🏀]

Mr. Hayward.

Please back up your abysmal recruiting statement with some factual evidence.

Actually, please back up your argument with something other than yourself going out on a limb without actually ever witnessing the womens team play. Clearly, you did not know that a major player has been injured, or that way over half the time Terri has underclassmen starting.

It's easy to go out there and throw around your verbal mouth diarrhea from just watching the bottom line on ESPN.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Hey Mods (and posters),

Maybe we could consolidate the Crean debates into one thread (The official Tom Crean Debate thread)?

I think this could help in a couple of ways:

#1 It will give everybody a place to always go post his/her viewpoints on MU's former coach. This seems especially appropriate for people who seem to be regularly active in this debate. This could also include tracking IU's wins/losses, the soccer stadium donation, etc. etc. It could be a one-stop shop to discuss everything we love and hate about the guy (that seems to be the crux of the debate).

#2 It will prevent thread escaping and future thread jacking. It gets frustrating to have the same debates and undertones repeated over and over all over the board. From reading this current thread, I can see that Hayward is frustrated for being stalked all over the board (a legitimate frustration), but I can see that MU84 is just looking for clarification to his questions from a previous thread that Hayward dropped out of (also legit).

Maybe if we started an "official Tom Crean thread", it would consolidate the debates down and prevent what really is the same thread from coming up over and over again (seems to restart every 30 days or so). I'm not against people presenting all sorts of viewpoints, but maybe it's better to keep it in 1 assigned space.

It's just an idea, and I really don't want to create more moderation work for you guys... I've just seen similar techniques used on other sports teams boards, and it seems to work well (ie The official 2009 draft thread, The official free agent thread, etc. etc.)

I could even start the thread, but posters will have to self-police and when a real Crean debate comes up, we'll have to point people to use the thread.

[rugbydrummer]

I'm with ya other than this point- Coach Bennett was handed a mess when they hired him (3 years ago). The kids were running the program, there was no discipline, and when he dropped the hammer 7 returning players quit. That is a lot to deal with, and put a lot of pressure on their recruiting.

I don't follow them that closely, but from what I can see their talent level is much better, and they're becoming very competitive (if I remember right they took a couple of ranked teams to OT, on the road).

You're absolutely right--I guess my point was mainly that the program as a whole has been floundering, and if you're going to start scrutinizing non-men's bball, you can't be nearsighted 

[ChicosBailBonds]

just asking,  seems the program has stagnated

They just beat #4 Notre Dame tonight.

[PE8983]

What frontcourt players has TC attracted to IU?  I am assuming that means the PF and C positions.  One Amoroso clone in Capobianco for 2009.  Watford is a WF.  They are going to be just as guard heavy as when he was here for the foreseeable future, unless he starts revoking scholarships and signing others.

[MR.HAYWARD]

well we will see what happens with IU recruiting.  Cream is already 1 over the limit and does not seem to be slowing down on the recruitng front, they just had another 2009 recruit on campus.  CLearly 1 or more of the current Freshmen will not be coming back.  My guess is more than 1.  Bototom line is some of those Freshmen are no good and it's not like Indidana fans will care if he runs people off they just want to win quickly.  My goodness i would hate to have MU in that shape...they are so terrible it is not even enjoyable watching them get destroyed.  I mean it is nice to see the scores but trying to watch more than 5 minutes of one of their games is torture.  They are good high school team caliber.

[PE8983]

It's hard watching IU games, even worse when you have to listen to Brent Musberger spend the entire game kissing TC's you know what.

[ChicosBailBonds]

well we will see what happens with IU recruiting.  Cream is already 1 over the limit and does not seem to be slowing down on the recruitng front, they just had another 2009 recruit on campus. 

And you do realize that we will be one over the limit here very soon as well, right?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

And you do realize that we will be one over the limit here very soon as well, right?

MU's current coach isn't a tanned up, slicked-back used car salesman like IU's coach.

The rules are different.

[JSwarriors08]

You are all a bunch of swachbuckling thread pirates.  Everything on this board gets jacked by Hayward and becomes a Crean-Fest.  Shut up everyone.  It sucks the life out of ALL our discussions.  GET OVER IT.

[mosarsour]

You are all a bunch of swachbuckling thread pirates.  Everything on this board gets jacked by Hayward and becomes a Crean-Fest.  Shut up everyone.  It sucks the life out of ALL our discussions.  GET OVER IT.

+1...I was hoping to gloat about Coach Mitchell and the Lady Warriors huge victory over Notre Dame. Instead I find yet another thread hijacked by more posts comparing TC and Buzz and comparing IU's recruits to MU's.

HELLO PEOPLE!!!! We just beat the #4 team in the country!

[ATWizJr]

the answer is clear....keep mitchell, get rid of Hey, Ward.

[MUfan12]

HELLO PEOPLE!!!! We just beat the #4 team in the country!

I seem to remember Mike Deane beating #4 Cincinnati a few times...

*ducks*

[JSwarriors08]

the answer is clear....keep mitchell, get rid of Hey, Ward.

Amen.  If we get enough participation can we vote Haywire off the island?

[tower912]

If everyone uses the 'ignore' button, doesn't that serve the same purpose without forcing the hands of our overworked, underpaid, but deeply appreciated mods?

[jt92]

Keep her, fire her who cares!!!!  It's women's basketball!!!

[Skatastrophy]

Keep her, fire her who cares!!!!  It's women's basketball!!!

Quote from Futurama:  "They made fun of our women's basketball team?  Did you explain to them how our good fundamentals make up for our inability to dunk?'

[Coach Norman Dale]

Hey Mods (and posters),

Maybe we could consolidate the Crean debates into one thread (The official Tom Crean Debate thread)?

I think this could help in a couple of ways:

#1 It will give everybody a place to always go post his/her viewpoints on MU's former coach. This seems especially appropriate for people who seem to be regularly active in this debate. This could also include tracking IU's wins/losses, the soccer stadium donation, etc. etc. It could be a one-stop shop to discuss everything we love and hate about the guy (that seems to be the crux of the debate).

#2 It will prevent thread escaping and future thread jacking. It gets frustrating to have the same debates and undertones repeated over and over all over the board. From reading this current thread, I can see that Hayward is frustrated for being stalked all over the board (a legitimate frustration), but I can see that MU84 is just looking for clarification to his questions from a previous thread that Hayward dropped out of (also legit).

Maybe if we started an "official Tom Crean thread", it would consolidate the debates down and prevent what really is the same thread from coming up over and over again (seems to restart every 30 days or so). I'm not against people presenting all sorts of viewpoints, but maybe it's better to keep it in 1 assigned space.

It's just an idea, and I really don't want to create more moderation work for you guys... I've just seen similar techniques used on other sports teams boards, and it seems to work well (ie The official 2009 draft thread, The official free agent thread, etc. etc.)

I could even start the thread, but posters will have to self-police and when a real Crean debate comes up, we'll have to point people to use the thread.

I LOVE this idea!  That way people like me "who couldn't care less" -- note my usage to those who incorrectly say they "could care less" -- about this issue and can accept that Crean left for a better job (in the long term) for more money at Indiana can just entirely skip such a thread.