Time for Mitchell to go?

[MR.HAYWARD]

just asking,  seems the program has stagnated

[🏀]

Please explain yourself because that is a retarded statement.

[The Lens]

You mean the Mike Deane of Women's Basketball?

She survived in the shadow of TC...his success covered up that she only won with Jim Jabir's players.  And then her once every 4 year successful seasons. 

Cue her defenders...

Sure she's a great person...Mike Deane was a great guy and one of my favorite people ever; but brass tacks, if she was held to the same standard that Deane-o was, she'd be gone faster than you could say Abby & Lisa.

[Schoolyard]

DKCL...sometimes I think we share the same brain.  You continue to bring the noise and make the sense.

Happy NYE all.

Schoolyard out.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Please explain yourself because that is a retarded statement.

well since it was over your head i will explain;  Is it too much to expect Mu women to be a competitvie BBall program that can regualrly expect to mke the Ncaa's?  Best player in the history of the program and we will miss the NCaa's two years in a row.  Recruiting is abysmal.  And we just lost to UWM

[bilsu]

I thought they won the NIT last year. Now let us get back to real basketball.

[Dave Andrews]

This is unfair to Coach Mitchell and the Women's program. Since joining BEAST, Conference records, including BE tournament, Women 31-22, Men 34-22. Overall record, Women 69-32. Men 74-31.

When added to the fact that the Women's team always plays a VASTLY superior non-conference schedule, there should be no negative comparisons between the 2 programs.

[mviale]

They just need a Big Woman to controll the boards.

[Marquette84]

just asking,  seems the program has stagnated

I thought the tradition and success of MU was enough to make the coach. Success is assured because of the program--not the skills of the coach.  Any old "nobody" can be plucked out of nowhere and get to the final four, right?

So tell us, why hasn't MU "made" Terri Mitchell?  Isn't the tradition and history enough to guarantee success?

Oh, wait--that's right.  You disappeared from THAT debate without offering any specifics--as predicted.

[The Lens]

Good NYE Joanie?  Did Tom take you to Outback or some other fancy Bloomington restaurant to celebrate?

[ChicosBailBonds]

well since it was over your head i will explain;  Is it too much to expect Mu women to be a competitvie BBall program that can regualrly expect to mke the Ncaa's?  Best player in the history of the program and we will miss the NCaa's two years in a row.  Recruiting is abysmal.  And we just lost to UWM

The simple reality is this.  MU women do have a competitive program, especially in light of what they were.  Sister Pares anyone?  Wow, was that bad.  The administration loves her, she has routinely beat UWM (which is a pretty good program) and Wisconsin, though this year MU lost to both. The criticisms are not without merit, however.  If she were the men's coach, it wouldn't be tolerated.  Then again, she's not the men's coach nor is it the men's program.

MU is already spending a TON of money on women's hoops which loses money.  Only Men's hoops makes money.  If you change, it means probably increasing that budget even more, not sure MU is interested in going down that road right now.

The team is competitive, no academic issues, plays in a tough tough conference, won the NIT last year, and has certainly had it's share of post season teams over the years.  I doubt she goes anywhere unless it is of her choosing.

[4everwarriors]

I'm not here to defend or condemn the women's program or their coach. But, I can tell you that this year's team is both young and injured (ACL to a player that was heavily counted on).
I doubt very much if Mitchell is in trouble jobwise. I do know that she has interviewed for other head coaching positions and for one reason or another either didn't get the job or chose to remain at MU.

[MR.HAYWARD]

chicos i think you are right.  obviously not the focus or the demands placed on the woman's program as the men's.    However, if the trend continues down then the question begins of "when is the time"  which is what I asked with no preconceived answer.

Now as far as MU84 ...dude you are a stalker.  The womens' program needs an architect to take it to the next level.  They do not have the tradion of the mens program.  We are discussing black and white here, not that you would ever let that get in your defense of your boyfriend or that you would allow facts or reason to get in the way of your lust for a coach over a program. 

[Muhoops85]

The "best player in the programs history" managed 6 whole points, missed the front end of a 1 and 1 which would have sealed the game, and then bobbled a steal on the other end which led to the foul that ultimately won the game for UWM.

Not the coaches fault.

[Marquette84]

chicos i think you are right.  obviously not the focus or the demands placed on the woman's program as the men's.    However, if the trend continues down then the question begins of "when is the time"  which is what I asked with no preconceived answer.

Now as far as MU84 ...dude you are a stalker.  The womens' program needs an architect to take it to the next level.  They do not have the tradion of the mens program.  We are discussing black and white here, not that you would ever let that get in your defense of your boyfriend or that you would allow facts or reason to get in the way of your lust for a coach over a program. 

No stalking here--I read every thread.  If you post something I'll come across it, just like any other thread.  I'd say less than 5% of my posts have been in response to you.

Meanwhile, I'm questioning why you would think that we need a change of women's coach, given your statement below that the program makes the coach--not vice versa. 

Your answer is that the men's tradition doesn't carry over to the women.  That's about as weak as one can come up with.  Doesn't the national reputation of MU still apply?  Aren't we still on ESPN?  Aren't the women in the Big East.

You are a hypocrite for suggesting that coaching matters for the women, but not for the men.

Meanwhile, I'm starting to understand how you and your ilk undermine the Marquette program.  It starts with the bogus whispering campaign--"Time for Mitchell to go?"

When its pointed out that Mitchell has been successful, has had players injured this year, and basically exposing your comment for what it is, you come back and try and claim that you had "no preconcieved answer."

That, madam, is pure unadulterated b*llsh*t.  Not sufficient to question the mens program, you're now trying to undermine the women.

What next?  Golf?  Soccer?  The English Department?

Bottom line is that Terri Mitchell is the best women's coach the program has ever had.

[MR.HAYWARD]

i will repeat for the dense...two different programs ...two different situations....dude you are scary.  any old girlfriends or boyfriends out there with restraining orders?

[reinko]

No MR.HAYWARD, you are the scary one.  You generally jump from thread to thread, bashing former and current coaches and when faced with actual facts and questions you name call and disappear. 

I asked you days ago about exact comments Crean made about former players and older alumni.  Marquette84 refuted your comments with actual data about attendance, but surprise you moved on to another thread and ignored how you just got dominated.

It's not being stalker, all we are doing are asking follow up questions.  If you don't want people to call you out, don't make opinionated comments and try to pass them off as fact.

 

[MR.HAYWARD]

if you say so   

[RedWebster]

No stalking here--I read every thread.  If you post something I'll come across it, just like any other thread.  I'd say less than 5% of my posts have been in response to you.

Meanwhile, I'm questioning why you would think that we need a change of women's coach, given your statement below that the program makes the coach--not vice versa. 

Your answer is that the men's tradition doesn't carry over to the women.  That's about as weak as one can come up with.  Doesn't the national reputation of MU still apply?  Aren't we still on ESPN?  Aren't the women in the Big East.

You are a hypocrite for suggesting that coaching matters for the women, but not for the men.

Meanwhile, I'm starting to understand how you and your ilk undermine the Marquette program.  It starts with the bogus whispering campaign--"Time for Mitchell to go?"

When its pointed out that Mitchell has been successful, has had players injured this year, and basically exposing your comment for what it is, you come back and try and claim that you had "no preconcieved answer."

That, madam, is pure unadulterated b*llsh*t.  Not sufficient to question the mens program, you're now trying to undermine the women.

What next?  Golf?  Soccer?  The English Department?

Bottom line is that Terri Mitchell is the best women's coach the program has ever had.

Absolutely bizarre. You have taken your love affair with Tom Crean to another level.

When you take off your crimson and cream knee pads, please compare the tradition and appeal of men's and women's basketball programs (or English departments) of UCLA, North Carolina, Kansas, INDIANA!, Georgetown, Villanova, Illinois, Wisconsin, Louisville, Memphis...should I go on? Are you suggesting that because the men's programs at those schools are "name" programs, that it follows that the women's programs are too?  I don't even believe you think that's what MR. HAYWARD ever said.

The idea that the men's basketball program Marquette "made" your bunk mate is absolutely valid...and we will soon find out if that is accurate.

You've sunk to arguing points you don't even believe to be true. Weird. Just plain weird.

[Badgerhater]

There is no reason to argue about below-the-rim basketball.

[Marquette84]

i will repeat for the dense...two different programs ...two different situations....

Look at it this way--for most of the 70's and early 80s, there were at least 100 programs that were better than Marquette (and I'm being charitable with that estimate).

That means there are 100 programs that have a stronger reputation and stronger tradition.

Those programs can bring in "a nobody" as their coach and ride their reputation to stay ahead of MU, right?  MU doesn't have the reputation or history for women's basketball, but SOMEBODY does, right?  Which means it would be very difficult for us to move up.

Funny, now you're implying that coaching can help us win games for the women's team--yet if we extend your logic, ND, UConn, Rutgers, Texas, Texas A&M, Clemson, UNC, Tennessee, etc,. have such storied traditions that they can hire a "nobody" the program will "make" those coaches.  

Here's my take:
Terri Mitchell has taken a program with no heritage or tradition, just 2 NCAA and 1 NIT post-season bids (which occurred when she was an assistant coach), and an all time 247-298 record (41.5%).  On this tradition-less and heritage-free program she has delivered a 247-135 (64.7%) record with 10 post season appearances (6 NCAA, 4 NIT).    

I think she's earned the right to work through a rough patch without having her job called into question.

[Marquette Fan]

This season has been a huge disappointment so far and I just can't get myself excited about another WNIT appearance which is where they're headed at this point.  But I don't think Mitchell's job is on the line right now nor should it be in my opinion.

[Marquette84]

The idea that the men's basketball program Marquette "made" your bunk mate is absolutely valid...and we will soon find out if that is accurate.

My only love is for Marquette.  ANd it's really starting to bug me that Mr. Hayward and his ilk, that are starting to look like  they'll do the same thing to Buzz Willams and Terri Mitchell that they did to Tom Crean.  

But next time you're whispering sweet nothings in Mr. Haywards ear, ask him this:  If MU makes the coach, why did Crean succeed where Raymonds, Majerus, Dukiet, and Deane failed?  I think that's a reasonable question, and if you and/or Hayward have any decency, you'd answer it.

Any way you cut it, only two coaches in the post-McGuire era have left the program in better shape--and one clearly used MU as a stepping stone.  The other was driven out by those who were uncomfortable sharing credit for MU's success.    

And Terri Mitchell is so overwhelmingly better than any other coach in MU history that its a travesty that some think it's time to question whethr its time for her to go.

No matter how much you hate the guy, the MU program was in much better shape the day Tom Crean left than the day he arrived.  

And no matter how much you hate Terri Mitchell, the program is in much better shape today than the day SHE arrived.

Hayward (and you, and the others of your ilk) have no basis for your criticism.  And whenever you're presented with facts, you disappear.

[chapman]

Like Chicos said, Women's basketball does not make the school money but in fact loses money.  Are you prepared to donate money to the program to give them more resources or a better coach?  Do you really feel the program will lose less money and increase attendance if a new coach gets them to the NCAAs more often?  I don't.  Since our program is hardly an embarassment, but has risen to relevance while Mitchell has coached I think it meets the expectations of most.  If some want more, what are they willing to pay for it?  Most people would probably say that if given the choice of a single seed higher in the NCAAs for the men's team or the women's team just making the NCAAs instead of the NIT, they would want every advantage they can give the men's team.  Since that decision also seems to be the better one financially, it's likely the status quo for the women's team is going to remain and is sufficient to most.

[muguru]

My big concern with the women's team this year(and granted I don't follow it that closely) is it was thought to be and even said by Coach Mitchell herself at MM I believe(and MarquetteFan please correct me if this statement is inaccurate), her deepest and most talented team since she's been at MU. Well, if that is the case, what's the problem?? The talent is there.....so.......