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MUfan12

It's hard to tell how much was system vs. having incredible shooting ability on those Wojo teams.

In a similar way, we'll find out after TK and Oso are gone, how much of this elite offense was propped up by those guys' vision and BB IQ. There are sound offensive principles behind it, but so much of it is having guys make the right reads.

panda

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 23, 2023, 01:13:48 PM
Thanks for having my back.

I think it's disengnuiois to say "Kam, Stevie, and Oso would absolutely work Duane, Jajuan, and Deonte" then agreeing with captain middle man 82 while he takes a completely neutral position using two paragraphs to make a benign point.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: MUfan12 on October 23, 2023, 02:32:45 PM
It's hard to tell how much was system vs. having incredible shooting ability on those Wojo teams.

In a similar way, we'll find out after TK and Oso are gone, how much of this elite offense was propped up by those guys' vision and BB IQ. There are sound offensive principles behind it, but so much of it is having guys make the right reads.

I'm bullish on the guys they have being able to replace Kolek and Oso but I sure hope hoops heads appreciate what is here right now with those two
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MU82

Quote from: panda on October 23, 2023, 02:39:59 PM
I think it's disengnuiois to say "Kam, Stevie, and Oso would absolutely work Duane, Jajuan, and Deonte" then agreeing with captain middle man 82 while he takes a completely neutral position using two paragraphs to make a benign point.

Of course you think that. You like to argue for the sake of arguing.

JAM simply didn't say what you claimed he did. That's a fact. You can choose to refuse to accept a fact as a fact and continue to argue, though. Freedom and all.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

panda

Quote from: MU82 on October 23, 2023, 03:05:46 PM
Of course you think that. You like to argue for the sake of arguing.

JAM simply didn't say what you claimed he did. That's a fact. You can choose to refuse to accept a fact as a fact and continue to argue, though. Freedom and all.

I was being diplomatic with my oringal post however I'll say it much more plainly here. Wojo stunk at player development. As bad as Wojo was, Shaka is the complete opposite. Mixtape's original hypothetical is what spurred me to post and I think he's wildly incorrect. Duane was a completely different player pre injury and he's one of my all time what if players for MU. He would destroy a freshman Stevie. Deonte came in as a man and was absolutely ready to play day 1. JJJ was a top 30 player out of high school. I don't think it's very controversial to say the day 1's on campus for all of the above favor Deonte, Duane and JJJ.

It's a message board buddy. We're here for the takes and hypotheticals (especially in the off season).

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: panda on October 23, 2023, 03:25:09 PM
I was being diplomatic with my oringal post however I'll say it much more plainly here. Wojo stunk at player development. As bad as Wojo was, Shaka is the complete opposite. Mixtape's original hypothetical is what spurred me to post and I think he's wildly incorrect. Duane was a completely different player pre injury and he's one of my all time what if players for MU. He would destroy a freshman Stevie. Deonte came in as a man and was absolutely ready to play day 1. JJJ was a top 30 player out of high school. I don't think it's very controversial to say the day 1's on campus for all of the above favor Deonte, Duane and JJJ.

It's a message board buddy. We're here for the takes and hypotheticals (especially in the off season).

I never said anything about day 1 on campus.  You are debating ghosts.

panda

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 23, 2023, 05:19:50 PM
I never said anything about day 1 on campus.  You are debating ghosts.

I was simply going off swoop em's hypothetical

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: panda on October 23, 2023, 05:27:13 PM
I was simply going off swoop em's hypothetical

Sorry, thought I was replying to Swoop 'em. 

But again, I never said anything about day 1 on campus.

panda

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 23, 2023, 05:43:45 PM
Sorry, thought I was replying to Swoop 'em. 

But again, I never said anything about day 1 on campus.

No worries all good brotha

MU82

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swoopem

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on October 23, 2023, 05:43:45 PM
Sorry, thought I was replying to Swoop 'em. 

But again, I never said anything about day 1 on campus.

I know. I did. And made it pretty clear that I was making a hypothetical even more hypothetical
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 23, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
I'm bullish on the guys they have being able to replace Kolek and Oso but I sure hope hoops heads appreciate what is here right now with those two

Yes.

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swoopem

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on October 24, 2023, 09:36:44 AM
Oso yes. TK I think is far tougher to replace.

I think TK will be back. Total guess but I think he comes back. Oso is gone
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MUbiz

Quote from: swoopem on October 24, 2023, 10:02:43 AM
I think TK will be back. Total guess but I think he comes back. Oso is gone

TK will be 23 years of age in March 2024. I do not think he comes back. He will be playing professionally for money somewhere in the world.

Galway Eagle

Quote from: MUbiz on October 24, 2023, 10:28:07 AM
TK will be 23 years of age in March 2024. I do not think he comes back. He will be playing professionally for money somewhere in the world.

Yeah as someone who turned 23 at MU I can say you feel ancient walking around campus cannot imagine him wanting to come back to turn 24 unless he's A) dating someone or B) is going for an MBA
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: MUbiz on October 24, 2023, 10:28:07 AM
TK will be 23 years of age in March 2024. I do not think he comes back. He will be playing professionally for money somewhere in the world.

Counterpoint, he can make a lot of money playing here next season.

I would not be surprised either way. I'm expecting him to be gone, but if he's not a surefire draft pick, I could see him running it back. Especially if we fall short in the tourney.
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Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on October 24, 2023, 11:55:27 AM
Counterpoint, he can make a lot of money playing here next season.

I would not be surprised either way. I'm expecting him to be gone, but if he's not a surefire draft pick, I could see him running it back. Especially if we fall short in the tourney.

Yeah my expectations are that he will ultimately be gone(a lot to due with optimism for this year) but I find it a bit odd so many people think its clear cut.

If he comes back another year hes going to continue to get paid a lot. And hes no guarantee to show up on draft boards.
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