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Who should be the 6th Man?

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Total Members Voted: 93

Voting closed: November 11, 2022, 10:39:42 AM

jfp61

Quote from: tower912 on November 09, 2022, 08:07:07 AM
Yup.  And short guys struggle in the NBA, too.

My philosophy as an NBA GM would be to never take a guard under 6'5" in the top 5-10. When your a bad team you need a difference maker, someone to put you in title contention. Outside of Wade and Curry there hasn't been a short NBA guard that has really lead their team to a finals. All the best players are taller.

Would it suck missing on AI and Ja Morant certainly, but you are better of looking for that transcendent start with taller players.

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Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 09:39:09 AM
My philosophy as an NBA GM would be to never take a guard under 6'5" in the top 5-10. When your a bad team you need a difference maker, someone to put you in title contention. Outside of Wade and Curry there hasn't been a short NBA guard that has really lead their team to a finals. All the best players are taller.

Would it suck missing on AI and Ja Morant certainly, but you are better of looking for that transcendent start with taller players.

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wadesworld

Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 09:39:09 AM
My philosophy as an NBA GM would be to never take a guard under 6'5" in the top 5-10. When your a bad team you need a difference maker, someone to put you in title contention. Outside of Wade and Curry there hasn't been a short NBA guard that has really lead their team to a finals. All the best players are taller.

Would it suck missing on AI and Ja Morant certainly, but you are better of looking for that transcendent start with taller players.

I wouldn't hate having Steve Nash or Chris Paul run my team for years.  Obviously height helps in almost all major sports.  That's why most players who are drafted high are taller.  But if you've proven you're one of the top draft prospects despite being short, I can't think of many who failed because of their lack of height.

MU82

Quote from: wadesworld on November 09, 2022, 09:53:31 AM
I wouldn't hate having Steve Nash or Chris Paul run my team for years.  Obviously height helps in almost all major sports.  That's why most players who are drafted high are taller.  But if you've proven you're one of the top draft prospects despite being short, I can't think of many who failed because of their lack of height.

Stockton, too. Lillard ain't bad, either.

If we're gonna limit "greatness" only to those who have led their team to NBA titles, we're sure leaving out a lot of great players, regardless of height.
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Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 09:39:09 AM
My philosophy as an NBA GM would be to never take a guard under 6'5" in the top 5-10. When your a bad team you need a difference maker, someone to put you in title contention. Outside of Wade and Curry there hasn't been a short NBA guard that has really lead their team to a finals. All the best players are taller.


I mean...Steph Curry.
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Galway Eagle

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on November 09, 2022, 10:06:02 AM

I mean...Steph Curry.

He said outside of curry... I don't think he meant the spice
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The Sultan

Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 09, 2022, 10:07:12 AM
He said outside of curry... I don't think he meant the spice


Yeah I missed that.

But even then, "outside of two of the two 75 players in NBA history, no one else has really done it."  OK.
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I would love to see a pro basketball league where there was a 6ft height maximum. I think that'd be more entertaining than the three v three. It'd be like weight classes in fighting sports except with height.
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Isaiah Thomas.   With Dumars and Vinnie Johnson.
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Quote from: tower912 on November 09, 2022, 01:42:56 PM
Isaiah Thomas.   With Dumars and Vinnie Johnson.

Great call.

Stars - especially Thomas, truly an all-time great - and champions, too.

Odds are against guys who are under 6-4 or 6-5 -- especially for guys who will be role players or on the fringe of making a roster at all -- but the greats are the greats.
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jfp61

Quote from: wadesworld on November 09, 2022, 09:53:31 AM
I wouldn't hate having Steve Nash or Chris Paul run my team for years.  Obviously height helps in almost all major sports.  That's why most players who are drafted high are taller.  But if you've proven you're one of the top draft prospects despite being short, I can't think of many who failed because of their lack of height.

Nash was picked 15th.

Missing on Chris Paul would suck. But honestly how would anyone know how appalling that draft would be after him. Also Chris Paul requires a whole high level team around him to in order to be competitive in the playoffs. So as great as he would be it is probably better to stupidly pick Marvin Williams and then stumble into Al Horford a few year later. Like Atlanta did.

Also a Chris Paul is the worst case scenario for this strategy.

wadesworld

Quote from: jfp61 on November 09, 2022, 02:02:24 PM
Nash was picked 15th.

Missing on Chris Paul would suck. But honestly how would anyone know how appalling that draft would be after him. Also Chris Paul requires a whole high level team around him to in order to be competitive in the playoffs. So as great as he would be it is probably better to stupidly pick Marvin Williams and then stumble into Al Horford a few year later. Like Atlanta did.

Also a Chris Paul is the worst case scenario for this strategy.

I mean yeah.  How many teams in the history of the NBA are competitive in the Playoffs without having a "whole high level team" around one player?

I just don't think being 6' to 6'3" makes you undraftable.  If you've proven yourself to the point where you're a first round/lottery pick player, then you can play.  I'm not drafting Thon Maker over some little guard just because Thon's 7' and the other guy isn't.

GoFastAndWin

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Quote from: wadesworld on November 09, 2022, 09:53:31 AM
I wouldn't hate having Steve Nash or Chris Paul run my team for years.  Obviously height helps in almost all major sports.  That's why most players who are drafted high are taller.  But if you've proven you're one of the top draft prospects despite being short, I can't think of many who failed because of their lack of height.

Nash and Santa Clara sure $h¥t  the bed at the hands of Mike Deane's xxxxx's and oooooo's eh? Or was that game early-on in Crean's tenure? I was at the game with my Dad, and if you'd have told us right then and there that he would rise to NBA stardom, we both would've laughed at the time. Most at MECCA that night would've.

BrewCity83

Quote from: GoFastAndWin on November 09, 2022, 06:42:35 PM
Nash and Santa Clara sure $h¥t  the bed at the hands of Mike Deane's xxxxx's and oooooo's eh? Or was that game early-on in Crean's tenure? I was at the game with my Dad, and if you'd have told us right then and there that he would rise to NBA stardom, we both would've laughed at the time. Most at MECCA that night would've.

Nash graduated Santa Clara in 1996.  He would've played us at the Bradley Center, not MECCA.
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MUfan12

Quote from: BrewCity83 on November 10, 2022, 12:13:13 PM
Nash graduated Santa Clara in 1996.  He would've played us at the Bradley Center, not MECCA.

Not that game. Scheduling conflict at the BC. MU put the clamps on Nash and ran away with it.

Jockey

I went thru this thread pretty quickly so forgive me if someone already said this.

The 6th man on this team doesn't matter. Different guys will fill that role at different times this year.

It may be Joplin for his shooting, Sean Jones for his speed and playmaking, Stevie for his defense, Ross for his multiple skills.

IOW, there won't be one guy who fulfills the role game after game.

Newsdreams

Quote from: Jockey on November 10, 2022, 03:56:55 PM
I went thru this thread pretty quickly so forgive me if someone already said this.

The 6th man on this team doesn't matter. Different guys will fill that role at different times this year.

It may be Joplin for his shooting, Sean Jones for his speed and playmaking, Stevie for his defense, Ross for his multiple skills.

IOW, there won't be one guy who fulfills the role game after game.
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jfp61

Quote from: wadesworld on November 09, 2022, 03:50:55 PM
I mean yeah.  How many teams in the history of the NBA are competitive in the Playoffs without having a "whole high level team" around one player?

I just don't think being 6' to 6'3" makes you undraftable.  If you've proven yourself to the point where you're a first round/lottery pick player, then you can play.  I'm not drafting Thon Maker over some little guard just because Thon's 7' and the other guy isn't.

Bucks couldn't draft guards either they took Jimmer 10th. Donte was 17th got traded before people figured out how low his value was. Vaughan was the 17th pick.

The 6'4" 10th overall pick this year is already in the g league. 

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