2021-22 NBA Thread: The Bucks are Reigning Champs

[The Sultan]

Even the headline is funny. "Sharpshooter?" His 3% last year was .399. His EFG is .525.

Good on him that he's getting this contract, but IDK...

[MuggsyB]

https://clutchpoints.com/heat-news-tyler-herro-feels-himself-with-wild-nba-superstar-comparisons/

He put himself in the same group as Morant, Doncic, and Young. Like I said, he had a very good season, he didn't have that good of a season.

The same group as Doncic?  Oh....okay.

[JWags85]

Even the headline is funny. "Sharpshooter?" His 3% last year was .399. His EFG is .525.

Good on him that he's getting this contract, but IDK...

I mean, that percentage is top 25 in the league last year...And the eFG is top 25 among guards.

Again, not saying im sold on him getting that kind of contract, but those are very good shooting percentages, not sure why its funny.

[The Sultan]

I guess I have a different definition of "sharpshooter" than you do.

[MU82]

The Hornets' Miles Bridges, on the eve of perhaps becoming one of the richest players in the league, gets arrested for felony domestic violence.

[Uncle Rico]

The Hornets' Miles Bridges, on the eve of perhaps becoming one of the richest players in the league, gets arrested for felony domestic violence.

Izzo is March

[The Sultan]

Not been a stellar off-season for the Hornets so far...

[MU82]

Not been a stellar off-season for the Hornets so far...

A trend dating back a couple decades.

[rocket surgeon]

anfernee simmons 4 years $100 mil...quite the risk hedging $25 mil/year

[The Sultan]

Bucks sign Joe Ingles with the MLE. Good shooter and supposedly great locker room guy. Risky with him coming off a torn ACL in January meaning he won't be available immediately. But he's big at 6'8"

[cheebs09]

Bucks sign Joe Ingles with the MLE. Good shooter and supposedly great locker room guy. Risky with him coming off a torn ACL in January meaning he won't be available immediately. But he's big at 6'8"

The contract could be valuable come deadline time.

[JWags85]

anfernee simmons 4 years $100 mil...quite the risk hedging $25 mil/year

Wild contract for a guy who has never been a regular starter.  If he's getting $25MM, then Herro getting $25MM is value.  I think he's an intriguing young player, but man that seems premature.

Bucks sign Joe Ingles with the MLE. Good shooter and supposedly great locker room guy. Risky with him coming off a torn ACL in January meaning he won't be available immediately. But he's big at 6'8"

LOVE it if he's remotely healthy.  He's exactly the kind of guy the Bucks need.  Good shooter, good vet presence, good size.  Solid pickup.

[forgetful]

Wild contract for a guy who has never been a regular starter.  If he's getting $25MM, then Herro getting $25MM is value.  I think he's an intriguing young player, but man that seems premature.

LOVE it if he's remotely healthy.  He's exactly the kind of guy the Bucks need.  Good shooter, good vet presence, good size.  Solid pickup.

Not sure I see a big difference between Herro and Simmons. Simmons was the better shooter, playing on a bad team, meaning he was focused on more.

I'd take Simmons over Herro right now.

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Do people still think $25 million per year is max money?  The highest salaries are now $45 million per year.

60% of a max salary is fine for players like Herro, Brunson, and Simmons.  Especially when taking into account that future contracts will continuinge to climb.

[JWags85]

Not sure I see a big difference between Herro and Simmons. Simmons was the better shooter, playing on a bad team, meaning he was focused on more.

I'd take Simmons over Herro right now.

Simmons shot 44.3% on 14 attempts a game and Herro shot 44.7% on 17 attempts a game.  Simmons shot 40.5% on 7.5 3s a game, Herro shot 40% on 7.  Their eFG are 2% different.  Simmons wasn't the focus of any concerted effort, especially if Dame was on the floor.

Herro was the 6th man of the year on a great team and Simmons put up decent stats for a terrible team, not sure why Simmons is some preferred option.  He's been in the league 4 seasons and played no real meaningful basketball.  He only got extended minutes this year cause McCollum was traded and Lillard was hurt.

[forgetful]

Simmons shot 44.3% on 14 attempts a game and Herro shot 44.7% on 17 attempts a game.  Simmons shot 40.5% on 7.5 3s a game, Herro shot 40% on 7.  Their eFG are 2% different.  Simmons wasn't the focus of any concerted effort, especially if Dame was on the floor.

Herro was the 6th man of the year on a great team and Simmons put up decent stats for a terrible team, not sure why Simmons is some preferred option.  He's been in the league 4 seasons and played no real meaningful basketball.  He only got extended minutes this year cause McCollum was traded and Lillard was hurt.

So your stats confirm my statement that there is not a big difference between Herro and Simmons, and that Simmons was the better shooter.

6th man of the year is always going to go to a player on a "great team" that is how those awards work.

Regarding who I'd take. That is an opinion, and I'd take Simmons.

[CreightonWarrior]

The Zion contract will age beautifully.

[JWags85]

So your stats confirm my statement that there is not a big difference between Herro and Simmons, and that Simmons was the better shooter.

6th man of the year is always going to go to a player on a "great team" that is how those awards work.

Regarding who I'd take. That is an opinion, and I'd take Simmons.

I don't know about you, but less than a percentage doesn't convey "better shooter" to me.  Trying to claim so is just pedantic.  There is more to basketball than shooting percentages, which Herro was better than Simmons in basically all of them.

Herro's advanced stats were much better, he's a better defender.  The notion that Simmons was more of a focus for defenses than Herro is just silly and not based in anything.  He was the Blazers' third leading scorer...after removing Dame and CJ.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but its not based in much other than minute differences in shooting percentages.

[forgetful]

I don't know about you, but less than a percentage doesn't convey "better shooter" to me.  Trying to claim so is just pedantic.  There is more to basketball than shooting percentages, which Herro was better than Simmons in basically all of them.

Herro's advanced stats were much better, he's a better defender.  The notion that Simmons was more of a focus for defenses than Herro is just silly and not based in anything.  He was the Blazers' third leading scorer...after removing Dame and CJ.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but its not based in much other than minute differences in shooting percentages.

Much of the NBA is about potential.

Herro has mediocre athleticism, has short arms (6'3" wingspan). I view him largely at his max potential right now. And his defensive abilities are significantly inflated by him playing on the Heat who have a great defense.

Anfernee Simons is an excellent athlete (41.5" vertical), with a long wingspan (6'9"). He is just tapping into his potential at the moment, and him just tapping into his potential places him as a better shooter, with more athleticism and better measurements.

Worst case scenario in my opinion, is that Anfernee Simons stays a Herro-esque player. But the upside is a possible perennial all-star.

[JWags85]

Much of the NBA is about potential.

Herro has mediocre athleticism, has short arms (6'3" wingspan). I view him largely at his max potential right now. And his defensive abilities are significantly inflated by him playing on the Heat who have a great defense.

Anfernee Simons is an excellent athlete (41.5" vertical), with a long wingspan (6'9"). He is just tapping into his potential at the moment, and him just tapping into his potential places him as a better shooter, with more athleticism and better measurements.

Worst case scenario in my opinion, is that Anfernee Simons stays a Herro-esque player. But the upside is a possible perennial all-star.

I find it interesting that someone who has been in the league a season longer is viewed as still growing into his game.  But Herro is topped out.

I understand your athleticism point, but you seem to want to discredit everything about Herro, from his defensive (just cause of his team) to being 6th man (oh just cause he was on a better team) to his shooting making it seem like its Steph Curry Simmons to Russell Westbrook Herro while focusing everything on an older player's potential.

Not much else to say right now, cause arguments have been made, but you seem to be parroting the critiques of Herro before the draft and ignoring what he's done as an NBA player thus far.

[Skatastrophy]

That list should start with Gobert and it's not close. Donovan Mitchell refuses to pass to the guy.

Gobert to the Timberwolves
https://mobile.twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542955673880825856

[Hards Alumni]

And Brogdan to the Celtics.

They're awfully scary now.

[Uncle Rico]

And Brogdan to the Celtics.

They're awfully scary now.

He's garbage