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Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 23, 2021, 09:33:26 AM
100% agree. I'm not a fan of Theo's game either - I think the Derrick Wilson parallel that Cheebs suggests is a good one. However, I wish him nothing but the best. I hope he thrives at Duke and beyond. Unlike some Scoopers, I don't view players who decide to transfer as traitors.

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bilsu

Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 23, 2021, 09:33:26 AM
100% agree. I'm not a fan of Theo's game either - I think the Derrick Wilson parallel that Cheebs suggests is a good one. However, I wish him nothing but the best. I hope he thrives at Duke and beyond. Unlike some Scoopers, I don't view players who decide to transfer as traitors.
I like Theo. What I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year. He was not a great offensive threat. I understand the idea of drawing fouls on the opponent, but we needed an offense like Buzz ran his second year. Move the ball around quickly to get open three point shots seemed to me a much better plan to me than the two things we were doing this year. Dumping the ball inside to Theo was not very effective. Having our guards dribble around instead of moving the ball was not effective either.

blue and gold

Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
I like Theo. What I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year. He was not a great offensive threat. I understand the idea of drawing fouls on the opponent, but we needed an offense like Buzz ran his second year. Move the ball around quickly to get open three point shots seemed to me a much better plan to me than the two things we were doing this year. Dumping the ball inside to Theo was not very effective. Having our guards dribble around instead of moving the ball was not effective either.

Are you implying that Wojo wasn't a strong strategist?

Watch next, it'll be implied that Wojo wasn't strong in making in-game (or post-game) adjustments.




tower912

Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
I like Theo. What I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year. He was not a great offensive threat. I understand the idea of drawing fouls on the opponent, but we needed an offense like Buzz ran his second year. Move the ball around quickly to get open three point shots seemed to me a much better plan to me than the two things we were doing this year. Dumping the ball inside to Theo was not very effective. Having our guards dribble around instead of moving the ball was not effective either.

Can't have that kind of movement playing 3 out, 2-in, especially when one of the three out is Cain.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

brewcity77

Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2021, 02:55:32 PMWhat I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year.

And if you're going to run the offense through a guy that's shoots 75% from three, maybe let him take more than 0.15 threes per game.

MU82

Effen Wojo. Cost Theo the opportunity to be the greatest 3-point shooter in college basketball history!
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Quote from: CTWarrior on April 19, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
No, I mean how did he complement them? 

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Scoop Snoop

Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
I like Theo. What I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year. He was not a great offensive threat. I understand the idea of drawing fouls on the opponent, but we needed an offense like Buzz ran his second year. Move the ball around quickly to get open three point shots seemed to me a much better plan to me than the two things we were doing this year. Dumping the ball inside to Theo was not very effective. Having our guards dribble around instead of moving the ball was not effective either.

Yep. It was an idea, but not a very good one. The only guess I can come up with is that Wojo saw how Ewing used Wahab and thought "Theo can do that too!". Our guards sometimes had the same deer in the headlights look that Wojo had.

I really liked Theo and hope he gets some decent minutes at Duke. He always, always played hard.
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MU82

Did Wojo really run the offense through Theo all that often?
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HutchwasClutch

Quote from: bilsu on April 23, 2021, 02:55:32 PM
I like Theo. What I could not understand is why Wojo made such a great effort to run the offense through him this year.

What's not to understand? Wojo was an incompetent moron.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: barfolomew on April 23, 2021, 04:51:55 PM
"Markus, are those new shoes? That shade of ultimate green really matches your light from Wojo."

Post of the week!

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Quote from: CTWarrior on April 19, 2021, 02:59:25 PM
No, I mean how did he complement them?  Did he make it easier for them to get open looks by demanding a double team when he got the ball down low?  Was he a good passer in the half court?  Did he get offensive rebounds to prolong possessions?  Did he set good screens?  Did he grab defensive rebounds and start the fast break with a good outlet pass? 

To me those are the things that complement goods guards, and he pretty much did not do any of them, except maybe set good screens, though he was usually good for an illegal screen at least once a game.

Basically, with bad defensive guards he would block a couple shots a game and provide a deterrent, which is complementary, but he was out of position a lot on defense and on the boards by chasing blocks.  I'm just not seeing it, I guess.
i agree with you. I know a lot of folks like Theo, and that's fine. I didn't dislike him as a player. It's just that I found his game marginal. Offensively he gave little to the equation. Maybe a decent move once or twice each game, but nothing consistent. Defensively? Obviously he blocked shots. It just seemed like his overall defensive play was average, punctuated with a lot of fouls. I wondered what he did in the off season to improve? Oh, that's right, his free throw shooting was, what, 75% this year?
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Long talk with K when MU practiced at Cameron Indoor.   Going to wear 12 at Duke.
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Wojo's old number.  That's pretty cool.
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tower912

Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2021, 05:56:01 PM


Theo worked out in Durham after the UNC game.   K decided he wanted him.  Good luck to Theo.

I assumed they had made a connection during their interaction.  Theo confirmed it.
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I'm glad for Theo. He will get to play at a special place and I hope he gets to experience going to the Sweet 16. I can't root for Duke to go any further and I don't think they will. One-and-dones need to be special (AD or Zion special) to have a chance at the Final Four.

That being said, I am glad MU & Theo are moving on.

dad's couch

Quote from: Viper on April 23, 2021, 08:28:51 PM
i agree with you. I know a lot of folks like Theo, and that's fine. I didn't dislike him as a player. It's just that I found his game marginal. Offensively he gave little to the equation. Maybe a decent move once or twice each game, but nothing consistent. Defensively? Obviously he blocked shots. It just seemed like his overall defensive play was average, punctuated with a lot of fouls. I wondered what he did in the off season to improve? Oh, that's right, his free throw shooting was, what, 75% this year?

Just have surgeries that hampered his play in the previous 2 seasons but gutted it out for the good of the program and teammates.

Viper

Quote from: dad's couch on April 24, 2021, 02:30:42 PM
Just have surgeries that hampered his play in the previous 2 seasons but gutted it out for the good of the program and teammates.
i understand that, and respect that he had injuries to overcome.
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Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2021, 11:18:08 AM
Long talk with K when MU practiced at Cameron Indoor.   Going to wear 12 at Duke.

A.k.a tampering.
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keefe

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 25, 2021, 12:10:54 PM
A.k.a tampering.

I understand that upon hearing of K's meeting with Theo John the NCAA launched a major investigation of UNC Asheville.

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SaveOD238

Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2021, 11:18:08 AM
Long talk with K when MU practiced at Cameron Indoor.   Going to wear 12 at Duke.

There's also no way Theo didn't talk to Wojo until after he announced his commitment.  Wojo set this whole thing up behind the scenes.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2021, 11:18:08 AM
Long talk with K when MU practiced at Cameron Indoor.   Going to wear 12 at Duke.

Derrick Wilson's number. Apropos.

tower912

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Hadn't thought of that.   Good catch.  Equally stellar character.




Edit:.  Pops Sims and a passel of famous NFL QBs, too.   But equally irrelevant.
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