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A guy on Twitter made a moser to him larranga comparison. I sure hope that doesn't prove to be true but it is disconcerting
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GooooMarquette

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2021, 01:57:54 PM
A guy on Twitter made a moser to him larranga comparison. I sure hope that doesn't prove to be true but it is disconcerting


Possibly...but I think a better Larranaga comparison might be Shaka. Larranaga's only Final Four was 6 seasons before Miami hired him, and he never got as far as the Sweet Sixteen in the 5 seasons at GMU after that; Shaka's only Final Four was 11 years ago, and he hasn't gotten to the Sweet Sixteen in the 10 years since.

Moser is only 3 years post his last Final Four, he might be on his way to another, and he already has another Sweet Sixteen.

JakeBarnes

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Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 25, 2021, 02:10:52 PM

Possibly...but I think a better Larranaga comparison might be Shaka. Larranaga's only Final Four was 6 seasons before Miami hired him, and he never got as far as the Sweet Sixteen in the 5 seasons at GMU after that; Shaka's only Final Four was 11 years ago, and he hasn't gotten to the Sweet Sixteen in the 10 years since.

Moser is only 3 years post his last Final Four, he might be on his way to another, and he already has another Sweet Sixteen.

The big comparison in the twitter exchange was that Larranaga primarily only had success prior to miami due to one player and Moser's success is tied to Cam Krutwig. So how much of it is Moser and how much Krutwig? See also, Wojo and Markus.

The tweet: https://twitter.com/brutus_87to98/status/1375117207760297986
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Pakuni

Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2021, 02:13:17 PM
The big comparison in the twitter exchange was that Larranaga primarily only had success prior to miami due to one player and Moser's success is tied to Cam Krutwig. So how much of it is Moser and how much Krutwig? See also, Wojo and Markus.

The tweet: https://twitter.com/brutus_87to98/status/1375117207760297986

Krutwig is a very good player, but by no means was he "the guy" on that Final Four team.
He was 5th in minutes, 5th in scoring, 5th in shot attempts, 2nd in rebounding. Obviously a huge part of their success, but it's not as if he carried that team by himself.



MarquetteMike1977

Quote from: Sir Lawrence on March 25, 2021, 03:48:03 PM
Excellent article.  Thank you for posting it.
Saw this too Thank You for posting this

Nukem2

Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2021, 02:24:51 PM
Krutwig is a very good player, but by no means was he "the guy" on that Final Four team.
He was 5th in minutes, 5th in scoring, 5th in shot attempts, 2nd in rebounding. Obviously a huge part of their success, but it's not as if he carried that team by himself.
But, he was rather a catalyst for that team which was 18-17 and 15-17 the two previous seasons with much the same cast without Krutwig.  Gave a small team inside prescence.

muwarrior69

Quote from: Sir Lawrence on March 25, 2021, 03:48:03 PM
Excellent article.  Thank you for posting it.

This quote struck me:

He was fired at Illinois State, which amounted to an awakening for him. It was the type of devastating blow that aligned him with Majerus and put him on a trackway to be where he is right now.

Perhaps apples to oranges but is Wojo too proud to find his Rick Majerus to teach him to be a better coach? A multimillion dollar buyout just might blind him to see the light.

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Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2021, 02:24:51 PM
Krutwig is a very good player, but by no means was he "the guy" on that Final Four team.
He was 5th in minutes, 5th in scoring, 5th in shot attempts, 2nd in rebounding. Obviously a huge part of their success, but it's not as if he carried that team by himself.


Totally agree. Especially when you see that Krutwig scored 11, 7, 8 and 9 points and their four wins. He was an important player, but he certainly did not carry that team.

Pakuni

Quote from: Nukem2 on March 25, 2021, 04:42:47 PM
But, he was rather a catalyst for that team which was 18-17 and 15-17 the two previous seasons with much the same cast without Krutwig.  Gave a small team inside prescence.

Well, I did say he was a huge part of the team's success, so it's not like I'm giving him short shrift.
That team also added FDU transfer Marques Townes, who was an immediate starter and Valley player of the year the season after their FF run.

ChitownSpaceForRent

Clayton Custer was the most important part of the first final 4 run. Krutwig was really good as a freshman, but Custer ran that team.

Silkk the Shaka

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2021, 04:51:28 PM
This quote struck me:

He was fired at Illinois State, which amounted to an awakening for him. It was the type of devastating blow that aligned him with Majerus and put him on a trackway to be where he is right now.

Perhaps apples to oranges but is Wojo too proud to find his Rick Majerus to teach him to be a better coach?
A multimillion dollar buyout just might blind him to see the light.

Agreed, he needs to get as far away from the Duke coaching tree as possible. Go be lead assistant under Few at Gonzaga or Sampson at Houston or something. Learn how to really build a program. Anywhere but Duke or Duke ties. His story is not over, but it's up to him how he shapes it.

MarquetteMike1977

There is a Recruitment and Transfer Announcement Bunker. Is there a Coaching Announcement Bunker, If So, may be there awhile, but am going there since the Marquette administration seems to be playing or keeping this close to the vest which I like.

rocky_warrior

I'll say it again (I could be wrong), Wojo isn't going to go be an assistant coach.  It's not even close to the same situation of Moser at IL St. 

Despite the narrative of MU being sunk to depths never seen before, Wojo largely had mediocre results at a "major" school.  He even had some success.  He'll likely get a chance at a slight step down this year or next. 

I don't disagree that it might do him well to get more tutelage under someone else, but I doubt that happens.

DoctorV

Fwiw I still think he should be the guy

willie warrior

Homer Poser Moser is definitely the best fit for MU and they need to back up the Brink truck to get him.
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