Markus story from afar

[wadesworld]

You are entitled to your opinion, and ultimately this probably is factual in the mind of a person with low standards and expectations for the MU program.

Hot air.  All of the above existed for Crean and Buzz and they both markedly outperformed Wojo in their first 5 years on the job.  Pretty sure when K.O and Denae were coach the "weight room" was in the Old Gym, shared with all other sports teams - super awesome facility to recruit to.

Thought we wanted to look at win percentage only. Now context matters?

Pretzels.

[Cheeks]

You are entitled to your opinion, and ultimately this probably is factual in the mind of a person with low standards and expectations for the MU program.

Hot air.  All of the above existed for Crean and Buzz and they both markedly outperformed Wojo in their first 5 years on the job.  Pretty sure when K.O and Denae were coach the "weight room" was in the Old Gym, shared with all other sports teams - super awesome facility to recruit to.

Just one of many examples.  Crean got to recruit to us going to the Big East, the greatest conference in history at the time.  KO got to recruit a state in which Wisconsin hadn't made the tournament in 47 years and was able to get Mac, Logterman, Key....UW has since become a powerhouse and the ability of an MU coach landing three in state studs like that now with how good UW is wouldn't happen.

I can go on and on with your black and white nonsense if you wish...it's fun.  The academic standards Wojo is recruiting to are different some of the past coaches as well.  So you keep wanting to make absurd non apples to apples comparisons, then be prepared for people to explain the apples you are comparing to are artichokes.

[source?]

Drake joined the Big Ten? I guess it makes sense since they took Rutgers.

I'm guessing you're making a joke that's going over my head. Just in case you're not and my joke went over your head: Cheeks stated that MU is so bad off in part because we can only bus to one conference game. He then cited Iowa as having 2 bus-able games like it was a huge advantage. Drake is a private school in Iowa that doesn't play football. Therefore, they would be a bus-able game and elevate us into the stratosphere with Iowa. It was a dumb joke. I was aware when I made it.

And Cheeks, I'm generally in agreement with you on this point so don't give in to your compulsion to argue with everyone who disagrees with you slightly. I just think that's a dumb example.

[Elonsmusk]

Thought we wanted to look at win percentage only. Now context matters?

Pretzels.

Context always matters, and to try to grasp to the 0.10 in win percentage improvement by Wojo over Kevin O'Neill is silly.  Further, where did I saw I wanted to only look at win percentage?

If you want to suggest the "empty cupboard" program Wojo took over, was comparable to that of Kevin O'Neill, knock yourself out.

I sincerely wish your predictions of consistent second weekend and sustained successes under Wojo would have come to fruition as you promised back in early 2015 once Wojo "had all his own guys."  Sucks that we are still looking for our first tourney win in Year 6.  K.O., Deane, Crean and Buzz had achieved that and minimal milestone and much more.

Wojo is doing better this year.  I'm enjoying watching the team play.  Doesn't change the fact he's struggled more than any of our past 4 coaches.

[Elonsmusk]

Just one of many examples.  Crean got to recruit to us going to the Big East, the greatest conference in history at the time.  KO got to recruit a state in which Wisconsin hadn't made the tournament in 47 years and was able to get Mac, Logterman, Key....UW has since become a powerhouse and the ability of an MU coach landing three in state studs like that now with how good UW is wouldn't happen.

I can go on and on with your black and white nonsense if you wish...it's fun.  The academic standards Wojo is recruiting to are different some of the past coaches as well.  So you keep wanting to make absurd non apples to apples comparisons, then be prepared for people to explain the apples you are comparing to are artichokes.

This is some awesome nonsense.  Almost better than your last submission.  Keep it coming Cheeks!  You are reaching John Dodds level of excuse making. 

[The Sultan]

You are entitled to your opinion, and ultimately this probably is factual in the mind of a person with low standards and expectations for the MU program.

No it is actually objectively true.  C is average.  MU has been above average under Wojo. 

It is fine to strive for the program to achieve an "A" and say a "B" or "B-" isn't good enough.  Just don't misrepresent his record.

[Uncle Rico]

It's great having Markus in Milwaukee

[Cheeks]

Context always matters, and to try to grasp to the 0.10 in win percentage improvement by Wojo over Kevin O'Neill is silly.  Further, where did I saw I wanted to only look at win percentage?

If you want to suggest the "empty cupboard" program Wojo took over, was comparable to that of Kevin O'Neill, knock yourself out.

I sincerely wish your predictions of consistent second weekend and sustained successes under Wojo would have come to fruition as you promised back in early 2015 once Wojo "had all his own guys."  Sucks that we are still looking for our first tourney win in Year 6.  K.O., Deane, Crean and Buzz had achieved that and minimal milestone and much more.

Wojo is doing better this year.  I'm enjoying watching the team play.  Doesn't change the fact he's struggled more than any of our past 4 coaches.

You were the one that presented their records and winning % and then said you were on hold to listen...no one else did.  It was void of any context on schedules, had inaccurate numbers, incomplete numbers, etc.  You were also the one that said worse since Dukiet, which was also false.  You were also the one that said Wojo should be at Raymond level.....interesting.  Why wasn't Crean, Deane, Buzz at Raymonds level in terms of winning..you didn't demand Buzz get fired for not achieving that parity...interesting.   

[Cheeks]

This is some awesome nonsense.  Almost better than your last submission.  Keep it coming Cheeks!  You are reaching John Dodds level of excuse making.

Everything I said was based on sound evidence.  You think a Wisconsin level program of 2000 to 2019 would not get at least one of Mac, Logterman, Key?  KO got to go against Steve Yoder / Stu Jackson and a program that was on a 47 year NCAA drought.  But that's merely an excuse with you, despite it being an accurate portrayal of the situation.

Crean had more latitude on academics than Wojo has...fact.
Crean midway during his tenure recruited into the Big East...fact.
Wojo recruited into a conference where the previous coach trashed on his way out and basically said through one of his proxy mouthpiece media reporters wasn't capable of being the future, elite of college basketvall...fact.

I could go on.  How is John Dawson doing?  How's Houston these days or did you finally get out?  Humidity is a bitch, ain't it.

[Cheeks]

It's great having Markus in Milwaukee

PRN disagrees, but everyone else concurs.

[GooooMarquette]

I'm guessing you're making a joke that's going over my head. Just in case you're not and my joke went over your head: Cheeks stated that MU is so bad off in part because we can only bus to one conference game. He then cited Iowa as having 2 bus-able games like it was a huge advantage. Drake is a private school in Iowa that doesn't play football. Therefore, they would be a bus-able game and elevate us into the stratosphere with Iowa. It was a dumb joke. I was aware when I made it.

And Cheeks, I'm generally in agreement with you on this point so don't give in to your compulsion to argue with everyone who disagrees with you slightly. I just think that's a dumb example.

Cheeks was referring to conference games in the Iowa context and commented that they can bus to UW@Madison and NU ("I meant to say conference games which is why I listed the other conferences, thank you for the correction.  For example, Iowa buses to Madison and Northwestern."). You then questioned whether he should have added Drake, which seemed to carry the implication that you were following on with Cheeks' listing of conference games to which Iowa can bus.

Which then led to my (admittedly snarky) comment about Drake joining the Big Ten. Hope that makes sense.

Anyhow, Merry Christmas.

[source?]

Cheeks was referring to conference games in the Iowa context and commented that they can bus to UW@Madison and NU ("I meant to say conference games which is why I listed the other conferences, thank you for the correction.  For example, Iowa buses to Madison and Northwestern."). You then questioned whether he should have added Drake, which seemed to carry the implication that you were following on with Cheeks' listing of conference games to which Iowa can bus.

Which then led to my (admittedly snarky) comment about Drake joining the Big Ten. Hope that makes sense.

Anyhow, Merry Christmas.

I can see where the confusion comes from. My bad. Merry Christmas.

[Shooter McGavin]

It's great having Markus in Milwaukee

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[real chili 83]

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