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[WarriorDad]

This is recency bias, opinion in journalism has been around for centuries....hell, yellow journalism is a term for this that's been around for 120 years and was basically the #FakeNews of its day.

The problem with news is not necessarily the purveyors of news, but the consumers of news these days. Technology has enabled (for good and for bad) consumers to consume news that aligns with their world view instead of aligning their world view with the news. Don't get me wrong, having lots of ways to consume news is a great thing and so is having lots of different news "perspectives" but that puts the burden on the consumer to separate fact from opinion which becomes difficult and something our society just isn't prepared to handle.

I do not disagree with what you said, except for the recency bias.  I made these same claims 15 years ago, 10 years ago.  It has been around for a centuries, but it was not this bad especially on the television side until 24 news came about.  It is unwatchable now and serious journalists are hard to find.  It has not helped the civil discourse, that is for sure.  There is definitely more of it now, but this isn't a new thing, but definitely at a higher level of incidents.

[WarriorDad]

It does not happen nearly as much as you suggest. Most major newspapers do a great job of separating "pure news" from opinion IMHO.

TV "news" shows? That's a whole 'nother story.

I said it happens more than it used.   You keep saying it doesn't happen as much as I suggest?  What quantity have I suggested?  How are you deciding my interpretation of more than it used to?

[Pakuni]

There are community-run Facebook pages out there that discuss things like local school board elections, tax hikes, etc.

Yep, and they're typically a cesspool of misinformation and speculation, combined with aggregation from legitimate news sources. They are not creating content or reporting news.

[MU82]

I said it happens more than it used.

Is this your opinion, or do you have some quantifiable evidence to back up your claim?

[GB Warrior]

I do not disagree with what you said, except for the recency bias.  I made these same claims 15 years ago, 10 years ago.  It has been around for a centuries, but it was not this bad especially on the television side until 24 news came about.  It is unwatchable now and serious journalists are hard to find.  It has not helped the civil discourse, that is for sure.  There is definitely more of it now, but this isn't a new thing, but definitely at a higher level of incidents.

Read a newspaper

[GGGG]

Yep, and they're typically a cesspool of misinformation and speculation, combined with aggregation from legitimate news sources. They are not creating content or reporting news.

NOT TO MENTION THAT THEY"RE ALL RUSSIAN BOTS!!!!

[WarriorDad]

Read a newspaper

I still do, every single day.

[WarriorDad]

Is this your opinion, or do you have some quantifiable evidence to back up your claim?

My opinion, also shared by some of the faculty of the Columbia Journalism Review, which is up there with the best of the best.  The insertion of opinion into areas of journalism that were historically free of opinion.  It is how news is done today, and in my opinion that is terrible for this country. 

A Pew Research study about a year ago illustrated how many Americans cannot tell the difference between opinion and fact, especially in news content in which news agencies are mixing the two together. That does a disservice to the public, in my opinion. 

[MU82]

My opinion, also shared by some of the faculty of the Columbia Journalism Review, which is up there with the best of the best.  The insertion of opinion into areas of journalism that were historically free of opinion.  It is how news is done today, and in my opinion that is terrible for this country. 

A Pew Research study about a year ago illustrated how many Americans cannot tell the difference between opinion and fact, especially in news content in which news agencies are mixing the two together. That does a disservice to the public, in my opinion.

OK. You're allowed an opinion.

My opinion is different than yours, and I'm allowed it as well.

Kumbaya, and all that.

[WarriorDad]

OK. You're allowed an opinion.

My opinion is different than yours, and I'm allowed it as well.

Kumbaya, and all that.

Perfect.  Let us not state our opinions as fact, then. Same as someone saying you cannot be a Cardinals football fan and a Cubs baseball fan, as if this is physical law.

[MU82]

Perfect.  Let us not state our opinions as fact, then. Same as someone saying you cannot be a Cardinals football fan and a Cubs baseball fan, as if this is physical law.

I'm not going to get involved in your numerous ongoing spats with others.

And I just noticed you said earlier, "especially on the television side," which is of course true (in both of our opinions).

I would just caution you not to conflate TV "news" with what our great national newspapers publish. Thank goodness for the NYT, WaPo and WSJ. As a nation, we'd be effed without them right now.

[Jay Bee]

Thank goodness for the NYT, WaPo and WSJ. As a nation, we'd be effed without them right now.

^^^ ban dis guy

just like the newspaper did

[GGGG]

^^^ ban dis guy

just like the newspaper did

He didn't make a political statement.  In fact he named papers whose opinion pages range both "sides" of the political spectrum.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

^^^ ban dis guy

just like the newspaper did

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[4everwarriors]

How 'bout Katie George, hey?

[MU82]

^^^ ban dis guy

just like the newspaper did

As usual, your (lack of) character is revealed. Not to mention your lack of judgment.

[rocket surgeon]

He didn't make a political statement.  In fact he named papers whose opinion pages range both "sides" of the political spectrum.

i'd hate to guess what both "sides' ya referring to?  dumb and dumber? eyn'a?

[mu_hilltopper]

Really, people?