S.O.T.G.

[PGsHeroes32]

Gardner went 1-2 on the FT line that would have put us up by 2 with thirty seconds left.

He made one...DPU missed the next shot....Jamil made 2...DPU sent it to OT with a 3.

Yes, and up 2 then maybe DePaul goes for the win with the 3. And since they shot 3s better than Derrick shoots free throws...that's a high percentage shot we don't want.

But of course if Steve doesn't miss his 1 and 1...no OT

If Chris can even hit 1/3 fts...no OT.

And don't get me started on Todd and Jamil. Darn them for missing 1 a piece!!!

[GGGG]

Yes, and up 2 then maybe DePaul goes for the win with the 3. And since they shot 3s better than Derrick shoots free throws...that's a high percentage shot we don't want.

But of course if Steve doesn't miss his 1 and 1...no OT

If Chris can even hit 1/3 fts...no OT.

And don't get me started on Todd and Jamil. Darn them for missing 1 a piece!!!

I just think that someone was pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that Derrick's missed lay up with over 10 minutes to go was the difference between a OT game and a comfortable win.  There were a number of opportunities to put that game away by a number of players.

[PGsHeroes32]

I just think that someone was pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that Derrick's missed lay up with over 10 minutes to go was the difference between a OT game and a comfortable win.  There were a number of opportunities to put that game away by a number of players.

If that was the case then yeah it would be valid.

But the comment quoted and sentence specifically bolded was Davante being clutch at the line.

considering he started 1-4(the norm for anyone not name todd, davante or jamil) that means he finished 11-12. Sure, he happpend to miss 1 of his many late free throws.

But as you and I said you could point to a play or free throw by every player that could have ended the game 20 minutes(real time) sooner.

[GGGG]

If that was the case then yeah it would be valid.

But the comment quoted and sentence specifically bolded was Davante being clutch at the line.

The thread evolved to that point...and the only reason that Davante's FTs were brought up was to razz Ners a little.

[mattyv1908]

I just think that someone was pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that Derrick's missed lay up with over 10 minutes to go was the difference between a OT game and a comfortable win.  There were a number of opportunities to put that game away by a number of players.

I'm sure in your myopic view it's easy to misinterpret what I said.  I hardly pinned us going to overtime on that missed lay up.  I did say it was a turning point.  A turning point, not THE turning point or the ONLY turning point.

If basketball is anything, it's a game of runs.  If you watched our recent game against Creighton you know exactly what I'm talking about.  Every time we closed to within 5-7 Creighton went on and answered our run with one of their own to expand the lead back to 10-12.  Now mistakes happen all the time in this game as well, so maybe Derrick missing an uncontested shot from 1/2 a foot away from the basket was a mistake, but don't act as if it's inconsequential at that point in the game either.  It was a big missed opportunity.  We go up by 9 there and we're a stop and a basket from having a double digit lead.

Just like with the Bubble conversation, nothing happens in a vacuum.  DePaul was starting to make a little run that cut into our large second half lead.  For Marquette to convert on the gimmie and expand a shrinking lead back to double digits completely changes the complexion of the rest of the game in many ways.  Answering a run with a run of your own can have a detrimental effect on the trailing team, as if despite their best effort it's still not good enough.  Conversely, the longer you give an inferior team the chance to hang around the more they believe they can win. 

Now I'm not sure if you're willfully ignorant or blinded by your self satisfaction.  I've been trying to figure out which one it is since joining this board.  Either way, common sense and a basic understanding of basketball will probably be thrown out the window as so often is the case with you.

[GGGG]

I'm sure in your myopic view it's easy to misinterpret what I said.  I hardly pinned us going to overtime on that missed lay up.  I did say it was a turning point.  A turning point, not THE turning point or the ONLY turning point.

This is what you said (I added the bold for emphasis):

"For what it's worth, and this is not a Derrick Wilson bash, but I think the difference between a comfortable blowout and an overtime nail biter is the great Gardner feed to Wilson that was bricked underneath the rim from point blank range that would have taken a 7 point lead to 9 and instead resulted in points on the other end."

This is what I said (against added the bold):

"I just think that someone was pointing out the ridiculousness of saying that Derrick's missed lay up with over 10 minutes to go was the difference between a OT game and a comfortable win."

So I pretty much stated verbatim what you said.  Sorry.  Next time I will misrepresent you to make your post less ridiculous.

[mattyv1908]

SOTG in regulation is Mayo easily

SOTG in overtime is Gardner

For what it's worth, and this is not a Derrick Wilson bash, but I think the difference between a comfortable blowout and an overtime nail biter is the great Gardner feed to Wilson that was bricked underneath the rim from point blank range that would have taken a 7 point lead to 9 and instead resulted in points on the other end. I said to my wife and kids watching on PST after work without knowledge of the outcome that that miss would be critical and a turning point in the momentum of the game.  It's too bad the kid can't hit the broad side of a barn from gimmie range or this team would be significantly better.

There's the whole post.  Makes it tough for the rational people on this board to take it out of context.  Read the entire thing (slowly Sultan as I know you struggle with comprehension).

Did you actually read my previous post?

The reason trolls exist on the internet at all are due to folks like yourself.

[GGGG]

I read the whole thing...  You said that Derrick Wilson's missed layup with 10+ minutes to go was critical and a turning point in the momentum of the game, and was the difference between a comfortable win and the game going into overtime.

Which part of this did I take out of context?  I mean, I quoted you almost directly.

[mattyv1908]

It was an important play.

Consider at the 15:04 mark Marquette took a 58-43 lead.  Exactly four minutes later (11:04) the lead was down to seven at 64-57.  DePaul was in the middle of a 14-6 run.  After a dead ball foul Devante Gardner makes a great interior pass to a wide open Derrick Wilson who hits the bottom of the rim.

Would have put Marquette up by nine with 10:51 to play.  Instead the team doesn't hit a field goal for another 3 minutes and in 4 minutes and 26 seconds following the brick the game is tied at 68.

I'll repeat what I said earlier.  It was a turning point in the game.  To assume that the game plays out exactly the same afterwards is false reasoning.  Everything affects how the remainder of the game is played.  Late game fouling, time remaining, player substitution patterns, team strategy moving forward is all different in a close game compared to a comfortable lead.

If Derrick Wilson hits that 1/2 foot uncontested shot it's a nine point game.  At that point the team is one stop and a made FG from being up 11-12 and successfully answering DePaul's run, effectively stopping their momentum.

While you can't quantify momentum, it does exist.  A pretty pass to an open team mate for a wide open point blank shot has a deflating effect on the team trying to get back into a game.  It takes away the momentum DePaul had.  The shot didn't go in, DePaul maintains momentum and turned thier 14-6 run into a 25-10 run.

[GGGG]

I'll repeat what I said earlier.  It was a turning point in the game.  To assume that the game plays out exactly the same afterwards is false reasoning.  Everything affects how the remainder of the game is played.  Late game fouling, time remaining, player substitution patterns, team strategy moving forward is all different in a close game compared to a comfortable lead.

I just think you can say that about a lot of plays over the course of a game.  And I will just leave it at that.

[mattyv1908]

I just think you can say that about a lot of plays over the course of a game.  And I will just leave it at that.

Fair enough, but you don't have to be Derrick Wilson's jockstrap defender every time someone points out an aspect in a certain game that was hugely important at the time he happened to be involved in.

I don't want Dawson starting, I just want Wilson to hit an uncontested, point blank, 1/2 foot shot to extend a lead.

[GGGG]

Fair enough, but you don't have to be Derrick Wilson's jockstrap defender every time someone points out an aspect in a certain game that was hugely important at the time he happened to be involved in.

It had nothing to do with Derrick Wilson.  I just don't think a missed lay up by anyone with 10 minutes to go is all that more crucial than a number of other plays during a game. 

[mattyv1908]

I would agree in principle with the exception of it's importance as described by the play by play with what transpired the previous four minutes and what transpired afterwards in this particular game.

That kept DePaul in the game.  Making it and were a basket or two away from putting the nails in the proverbial coffin.

[WarriorFan]

No stud posted yet.

Maybe there shouldn't be one when you only beat Depaul by 2 and it takes overtime to do it...

But I was hoping Mayo would get some separation with his 4th honor.

[drbchilds]

Davante

[willie warrior]

It had nothing to do with Derrick Wilson.  I just don't think a missed lay up by anyone with 10 minutes to go is all that more crucial than a number of other plays during a game. 
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hey, I agree with you Sultan. And by the same token nobody should go apecrap over him making a layup with about 2.5 minutes remaining, or making 1 of 2 FTs late in the game, as the HC did.]