This one's got to hurt

[TallTitan34]

Murff,  Iman wasn't the only recruit there and if I'm not mistaken I believe Erik Williams commited shortly after.  Now I'm not saying this is because DW3 was there but I am POSITIVE that it didn't hurt.

If anything, bringing Wade in showed Iman how important of a recruit he was that Crean was willing to pull out all the stops.

[Murffieus]

Well it didn't impress Swopshire as he commited to Louisville. Williams is a youngster and made an emotional decision (had to be emotional as he hasn't seen other schools and says he had no prior idea that he would end up commiting on this trip)-----so bringing in DW may have been the catylist for Erik's commitment. However  mature kids like Iman & Swopshire didn't seem too impressed with the DW visit as it really didn't
have anything to do as to why they should commit to MU as they were already well aware of the MU/DW connection. They evidently saw it for what is was----showmanship!

[MUFanInGreenBay]

Well it didn't impress Swopshire as he commited to Louisville. Williams is a youngster and made an emotional decision (had to be emotional as he hasn't seen other schools and says he had no prior idea that he would end up commiting on this trip)-----so bringing in DW may have been the catylist for Erik's commitment.

Erik Williams already had offers from Alabama, Baylor, and Texas A&M. He also had taken unofficial visits to all of those schools.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Well it didn't impress Swopshire as he commited to Louisville. Williams is a youngster and made an emotional decision (had to be emotional as he hasn't seen other schools and says he had no prior idea that he would end up commiting on this trip)-----so bringing in DW may have been the catylist for Erik's commitment. However  mature kids like Iman & Swopshire didn't seem too impressed with the DW visit as it really didn't
have anything to do as to why they should commit to MU as they were already well aware of the MU/DW connection. They evidently saw it for what is was----showmanship!

Seriously, your opinions and posts are starting to become damaging and (more) ridiculous.

You don't personally know these players or their families, yet you know their state of mind and maturity level?

Now you even go as far as to imply that one of MU's latest commitments (Williams) must be immature because he committed to MU after meeting DW3.

YOU DON'T KNOW THESE KIDS, SO QUIT CLAIMING THAT YOU KNOW THEIR STATE OF MIND OR THE RATIONALE FOR THEIR DECISIONS.

And don't claim something like "It was obvious to me at midnight madness based upon body language" or something like that. It's crap.

It is not fair to these kids or their families to have you spouting off like you know something about them, or ANYTHING about their maturity level or decision making process.

Moderators, I respect your approach to letting most posts stand because this board should have a variety of opinions. But, when it comes to recruits and commitments, I might suggest that you tighten the policy a little bit. I hate for a kid or his family to be subjected to this level of personal scrutiny when all they did was commit or not commit to MU to play basketball.

[spartan3186]

When shumpert visited unc there were 5 nba players that happened to be there. I'm willing to bet there were a couple at gt as well. Its part of the game murf all three schools did it

[Murffieus]

But Spartan------where were the theatrics at UNC and GT----from reports I read the guys Iman talked to at
UNC and GT were private conversations and allowable because they were students going after their degrees even though they were in the NBA. I mean DW comes out there like a rock star----resembled showbiz!

Al used to use his CURRENT players to sell the program------that's what recruits are interested in (the present) not the past. As I say, TC may have felt Iman slipping away prior to the visit and felt that he had everything to gain and nothing to lose with the "rock star" approach------in which case I can understand, but I stll think he should have held DW's presence a lot more low key!

[bs4173]

but I stll think he should have held DW's presence a lot more low key!

I just don't understand how you keep DW's presence "low-key." Sure, you can argue that he shouldn't have been there, and I won't disagree, but you said you understood what TC was doing when he might've sensed IS "slipping."

I don't know if you were at Madness, but the whole time students kept whispering to each other, "I know Wade's coming!" and "I'll bet you $10 that D-Wade is coming!" and so on. Regardless of how the recruits took it, the students went completely nuts when he walked in and would've done the same if he had quietly found a seat in the crowd. As a student, it was a great time because of Wade. The last couple of MMs have been notably boring in comparison to this one, and the athletics office KNEW that. What's one way to make it more enjoyable and possibly sway a recruit or two? Why not bring in somebody that gets the student body excited? (That, and you have your over-caffeinated coach nearly kill himself on an ATV, but that's irrelevant here)

All in all, I disagree that Wade had any negative impact on Shumpert's decision.

[hoops12]

"where were the theatrics at UNC and GT"

Murf:

You have to be a little smarter than what your posts show. C'mon, Shumpert attended our "Midnight Madness". Midnight Madness always has this approach. It's not for just the recruits, it's for the university.(students, fans, ect...) When Shumpert went to the other universities they attended the activities they had there on those weekends.

Now, you have stated over and over that you are a fan of the program, but you just try to give a different perspective on the Marquette program. That is complete and utter bullsh#t....and you know it! Just in the last couple of days you have claimed that Crean organized all of this (Midnight Madness) for Shumpert, and you have posted that Coach Crean also got the verbal from Fulce "on the rebound". I can honestly say to you and the entire board that you know NOTHING about what is going on in the current program! You are totally in the dark, even though you try to act as though you have some kind of insight. You actually have zero knowledge about the coaches, players, practices, recruits, and so on. Even though you may have been a "good" player in your day, you are not very well liked by most who are close to this program currently. You continue to shoot your mouth off, and even though you have a FEW people that stick up for you on occasion, most don't care for what you are saying about your alma mater.

To the few that continue to praise Murf for what he did in his career, what the he!! does that have to do with his idiotic comments on this board? Who cares if he once did good for Marquette, if now all he can do is criticize?

As for you always mentioning what Al did, it was a different time and era. Just like when you went to school. What did they do for recruits on your visits? Probably very little, if anything. Unlike you, AL LIKED CREAN A LOT AND FELT HE WAS THE MAN WHO COULD TAKE MARQUETTE TO ANOTHER LEVEL. HE WAS 100% SUPPORTIVE OF COACH CREAN.

Now, let me make a little comparison......I'm sure we all remember what Brutus did to Caesar. Well, that's what I feel John Glaser has done to Marquette. "Et tu Johnny? Why?

Season ticket holder?
Donation to the Al McGuire Center?
Supporter of Tom Crean?
Feel snubbed by the current staff?

GO MU!

[Murffieus]

Hoops-----I don't mind you being critical, but please get your facts straight. I never said that TC "organized ALL of MM to get shumpert"-----what I did say is that he brought DW up here to get Shumpert and I believe the theatrics involving DW were in support of that".

You're Brutus/Ceasar argument is ridiculous------airing things out is healthy -----sweeping things under the rug is decedent.

BTW----if my comments are so "idiotic" why do you consistently find the need to reply to them?

[hoops12]

"if my comments are so "idiotic" why do you consistently find the need to reply to them?"

Your idea of what the word "consistently" means must be different than most people on this planet. You have posted (on the two boards) approximately 12,150 times. Many find that number absurd, and one who should actually get a life.  I have posted approximately 220 times. If each one of my posts were a response to you...which most are not.....that would be one response for every 55 posts. (less than 2%) In reality, I'm sure I have only responded to less than 1% of your "idiotic" posts.

I do respond at times, because some people actually believe the $h8t your shoveling. I know it is NOT reality.

GO MU!

[Murffieus]

Well hoops, one percent of 12,150 posts is 121 replies by you (a full 50% of your posts) to what you call my "idiotic posts". It seems to me anyone who makes that many replies to a single persons posts feels that that poster presented some very solid thought indeed-----but because that thought didn't concur with your agenda, you had to respond to "douse the fire". If the content of my posts was "idiotic" you'd let it hang out there as such without consistent rebuttal.

[hoops12]

"one percent of 12,150 posts is 121" Good math Murf, but I said, "less than one percent". Get your facts straight. Oh, I forgot, you don't use facts.

"It seems to me anyone who makes that many replies to a single persons posts feels that that poster presented some very solid thought-----but because that thought didn't concur with your agenda, you had to respond to "douse the fire"."

Speaking of agendas, when someone that has actually played at Marquette and coached high school basketball posts things that are half truths, or not true at all about their former alma mater, I feel it is important to respond. Some may actually believe the garbage you are shoveling. Instead of consistently patting yourself on the back, someone should be giving you a swift kick in the @$$!

By the way, thanks for not answering any of the questions again. Those that really follow this program already know the answers.

GO MU!

[Murffieus]

 Hoops----this is your 3rd straight reply to what you have referred to as "idiotic" posts. You're obsessed with "idiotic" commentary!

[hoops12]

Boy, I'm really getting the better of you this time. Can you say "four".

Poor Murf!

[mu_hilltopper]

move along, boys.  should have locked this long time ago to deprive the Murf obsessed of a platform.