Jason Collins

[Jay Bee]

Did you choose to be heterosexual?  I'll bet not.

Like others my free will enables me to choose to do as I wish in life. Genetics, environment and other things may push me toward one choice over another, but ultimately it's my choosing.

Do you believe there are no gays that chose to be gay?

[tower912]

Thank you, AnotherMU84, for presenting your opinion and vigorously defending it.    It is important for those of us who are not upset about this to hear from those who are.   The next time we hear a gay person talk about some of the criticism they had to endure throughout their life, we can think back to this thread and realize they aren't joking.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Like others my free will enables me to choose to do as I wish in life. Genetics, environment and other things may push me toward one choice over another, but ultimately it's my choosing.

Do you believe there are no gays that chose to be gay?

What percentage of gay people are simply choosing to be gay? Is it a significant amount that it's even worth discussing? AND if somebody is choosing to be gay, so what? What's the difference? It's not like they get to automatically cut in line at the grocery store. They don't get preferential seating at the Bradley Center. Who cares?

[tower912]

I feel horrible for all of those people out there pretending to be gay who live their lives in fear of being outed as straight.        Because that is happening all the time.

[Pakuni]

I feel horrible for all of those people out there pretending to be gay who live their lives in fear of being outed as straight.        Because that is happening all the time.

No, no, no. You're missing the point.
They're doing it for the chance to march in those fabulous parades.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Well, in all seriousness, somebody COULD pretend to be gay for some sort of gain.

But, I just have never heard of a significant amount of people actually doing that, so I don't know why it's even an issue or a topic for discussion.

[reinko]

After reading this thread, I think I will come out of the closet.

Looking forward to my free rent, my entry into an Ivy league institution, tax breaks, endorsement deals, and meeting President Obama.

[GGGG]

Like others my free will enables me to choose to do as I wish in life. Genetics, environment and other things may push me toward one choice over another, but ultimately it's my choosing.

Do you believe there are no gays that chose to be gay?

You are mixing up sexual preference with sexual acts.  There are probably many homosexuals who live a heterosexual lifestyle, and likely a few in reverse.  But most people do not choose their preference.

[ChicosBailBonds]

You clearly are not aware of this, Chicos, but not everything is about you.

I'm well aware of it, and that goes both ways....for those that don't think its a big deal they don't want it crammed down their throat 24/7 because others think it is a big deal.  Again, goes both ways.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Exactly. The (yawn) "not much of a problem where I live so it must not be much of a problem" is, at best, very lazy thinking - on all issues.

Not really, it means people here have already done the thinking and moved on from this years ago.....you guys are just way behind or didn't want to address it.  As California goes, so goes the nation (eventually).

[ChicosBailBonds]

That is a pretty bigoted statement

AMEN.

[MerrittsMustache]

Not really, it means people here have already done the thinking and moved on from this years ago.....you guys are just way behind or didn't want to address it.  As California goes, so goes the nation (eventually).

And as Chicos goes, so goes California 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I'm well aware of it, and that goes both ways....for those that don't think its a big deal they don't want it crammed down their throat 24/7 because others think it is a big deal.  Again, goes both ways.

People don't want Tebow shoved down their throat either. Didn't stop ESPN. Still doesn't stop ESPN.  

At the end of the day, I'm in charge of my own consumption, so if I don't like topic, I can always change the station.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Collins girlfriend of 8 years interviewed today.  He broke off the marriage ceremony a month before it was to happen.  Had a friend go through this same situation, though he admitted he was gay for the reason to break it off and she was devastated.  Tough situation, for both.


http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/9227052/collins-fiancee-reaction

[ChicosBailBonds]

False.  I have never heard anyone praised simply for being gay.

You need to move out west.

[ChicosBailBonds]

People don't want Tebow shoved down their throat either. Didn't stop ESPN. Still doesn't stop ESPN.  

At the end of the day, I'm in charge of my own consumption, so if I don't like topic, I can always change the station.

On some things, yes, but on something like this that the media makes 24/7 all the time, the escape is a bit different.  Tebow was mostly an ESPN thing.  This goes way beyond.

Again, fortunate that I live out here where we are all like, "really?"...welcome to the 21st century the rest of America.   Of course, there is plenty of other things here in California and the "enlightened" class that have destroyed the state and it's also moving to the rest of the country, but this issue isn't one of them. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

On some things, yes, but on something like this that the media makes 24/7 all the time, the escape is a bit different.  Tebow was mostly an ESPN thing.  This goes way beyond.

Take some personal responsibility. YOU are in charge of your consumption.

This isn't the media's fault. You consume what you want. If you don't want to hear about it, don't listen or watch stories about it. If it shows up on your local news, turn it off. If it comes up on your favorite talk radio station, turn it off.

That's how the free market works, even in California.

[GGGG]

Again, fortunate that I live out here where we are all like, "really?"...welcome to the 21st century the rest of America.  

You still don't really get it.  Most of the "rest of America" is pretty much accepting of gay people.  It is the fact that he is the first openly gay athlete in a professional team sport that is the issue here.  

[jeffreyweee]

When topics of social justice arise on this board I'm overwhelmed with feelings of embarrassment toward Marquette. Not all, or even most, Marquette graduates are hateful but the proportion that are is far too large for a Jesuit school that prides themselves on character, morality and justice. Still, some posters here restore my faith in Marquette.

As far as this topic specifically - there are no good arguments against homosexuals in any sense, only bigoted ones. A huge thank you goes out to Jason Collins.

[mu-rara]

Like others my free will enables me to choose to do as I wish in life. Genetics, environment and other things may push me toward one choice over another, but ultimately it's my choosing.

Do you believe there are no gays that chose to be gay?

Why would they choose a lifestyle that only makes their life more difficult?
Yes, I believe that there are no gays who choose to be gay.

[jeffreyweee]

Lots of people choose to do things that make others ridicule them. Some want to be accepted. Not by everyone, but by a certain group. This type of human behavior is not surprising. Do people that simply chose to be gay to 'fit in' exist? No doubt.

If it's so easy to just "be gay" then it shouldn't be that hard for you to prove it for 15 minutes to make your case that much stronger. Go ahead and have sex with the nearest man you can find. Remember, it's just a choice so it shouldn't be that difficult to convince yourself they are attractive. It's the same as putting on black makeup.

[Ari Gold]

Like others my free will enables me to choose to do as I wish in life. Genetics, environment and other things may push me toward one choice over another, but ultimately it's my choosing.

Do you believe there are no gays that chose to be gay?

Contrary to many, I chose the thug life

[Jay Bee]

People don't want Tebow shoved down their throat either.

Umm, pretty sure Jason Collins does.

[Pakuni]

I'm well aware of it, and that goes both ways....for those that don't think its a big deal they don't want it crammed down their throat 24/7 because others think it is a big deal.  Again, goes both ways.

Nobody is having anything crammed down their throat. Don't want to hear about Jason Collins?
Turn off the TV when that segment comes on.
Don't buy the latest SI.
Don't read threads on Internet forums entitled "Jason Collins."

You're not a jellyfish floating helplessly with the ocean current. You have 100 percent control over the media you consume.