Another "Warrior" bites the dust

[spartan3186]

From ESPN....
"Arkansas State chancellor forms committee to solicit ideas for new mascot
Associated Press

JONESBORO, Ark. -- The chancellor at Arkansas State said Wednesday the school would retire its Indian mascot, targeted by an NCAA ban on mascots that are ethnically or racially hostile or abusive.

Chancellor Robert L. Potts named a Mascot Selection Steering Committee to solicit ideas for a new mascot. He did not release a timetable for when American Indian imagery would be retired or when a new mascot would be announced.

A Mascot Review Committee unanimously endorsed dropping the Indian mascot. Potts said the search for a new mascot should be as broad as possible, saying he had taken note of letters to newspaper editors, media contests, e-mails and other communications received at his office.

"I believe that a broad-based group should be assembled to solicit and winnow suggestions from all ASU constituencies and the public but that a small steering committee will be needed to guide the process from its start to its conclusion," Potts said. He named nine people to the panel.

The new committee is also charged with establishing steps to retire the current mascot and develop a timeline.

The NCAA in 2005 announced a ban on ethnically or racially hostile or abusive nicknames, mascots and imagery at championship events. Arkansas State was one of the schools found in violation of the policy."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=2949099

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Arkansas State is called the Indians!!

Anybody attempting to draw comparisons between "Indians" and "Warriors" is a fool. 

[spartan3186]

I am aware of that... I was more pointing out the article with a catchy title... thanks though

[muwarrior87]

geez PRN, lighten up, while not a great comparison, it is a comparison none the less, lets give some credit for the find

[Marquette84]

Arkansas State is called the Indians!!

Anybody attempting to draw comparisons between "Indians" and "Warriors" is a fool. 

Becasue we all know that Marqeutte never had any Indian image or mascot that accompanied the Warrior name, right?

[MUsoxfan]

It's another sad day in a PC world

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I am aware of that... I was more pointing out the article with a catchy title... thanks though

Spartan -- I was not calling you a fool and I apologize because I now realize that's how it read.

I was simply trying to point out that, as SJS proved later in the thread, there are wackos (and I AM calling SJS a wacko) who continue to falsely claim that the name "Warriors" was derogatory because the imagery was over-the-top. Unfortunately, the university seems to think that huge majority of Marquette alums who will always support a return to the name Warriors are incapable of understanding that our nickname is associated with our old imagery. It's just laughable. Bring out a new image to associate with Warriors and the old will disappear. It's so simple, even SJS should understand. But he refuses.

As I said before, there is NO comparison between a name like "Indians" and a name like "Warriors." None. Zero. Zilch.

[Ready2Fly]

Yay!  I love the nickname debate!  I can't wait to read more!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I am aware of that... I was more pointing out the article with a catchy title... thanks though

As I said before, there is NO comparison between a name like "Indians" and a name like "Warriors." None. Zero. Zilch.

I really think it boils down to is that this is your opinion, and right now the University and several other community leaders are of a differing opinion.

I mean, I hear you, and you might even be right... but again, it's just opinion, not factual.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

No. It's a fact. Redskins? Offensive. Indians? Offensive. Redmen? Offensive.

Braves?
Warriors?

Give me a break. They're the exact opposite of offensive!

[ZiggysFryBoy]

No. It's a fact. Redskins? Offensive. Indians? Offensive. Redmen? Offensive.

Braves?
Warriors?

Give me a break. They're the exact opposite of offensive!

don't recall reading about too many Braves going viking in europe or heading to the middle east on crusades.  I think Braves is pretty locked up with Indians.

Warriors, not so much.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

No. It's a fact. Redskins? Offensive. Indians? Offensive. Redmen? Offensive.

Braves?
Warriors?

Give me a break. They're the exact opposite of offensive!

I agree with you that the would warrior(s) is not offensive. But, I also think that it's an opinion that you and I share.

I think the problem the University has (and some other people) is that the word "Warrior" was used with a native american mascot which wasn't always politically correct. So now, keeping or re-using the word Warrior would bring back the context and offensive imagery that the university was trying to get rid of.

Again, let's not confuse fact with opinion. It is your opinion that using the nickname "warriors" wouldn't be offensive because we could change the logo and everything would be fine. I'm inclined to agree with you about this.

BUT, I think the University has been relatively steadfast in its opinion on the subject.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Actually, you're wrong. The university has NOT been "steadfast in its opinion." It was the university that opened up "debate" not long ago. We know for an ironclad fact that members of the BOTs support Warriors. And it is widely believed that Fr. Wild himself preferred a switch back to Warriors, leading to the public discussion.

Unfortunately, they have it in their heads that a bunch of goofballs in Northern Wisconsin who have been influenced by politically correct "advocates" have a voice in this debate. They should not.

If we changed our mascot and returned to Warriors, would there be protests? Would Native Americans scream from the rooftops? No! It would actually do the very thing they're trying to avoid, it would eliminate them from the discussion altogether.

[Marquette84]

****I was simply trying to point out that, as SJS proved later in the thread, there are wackos (and I AM calling SJS a wacko) who continue to falsely claim that the name "Warriors" was derogatory because the imagery was over-the-top.

Well isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

At least I'm not well into my second decade of behing unhinged about something as insignificant as a nickname.

I got over it 10 years ago.  Its time for you to move on as well.

***As I said before, there is NO comparison between a name like "Indians" and a name like "Warriors." None. Zero. Zilch.

Funny. 

I could have sworn there was an Indian in the middle of the MU logo.  And it says "Warriors" right at the bottom.

But, as you say, there is NO comparison.  None.  Zero.  Zilch. 

Tell me this, though. Why do you suppose MU would have used a picture of an Indian in their logo in the first place if, as you claim, there is NO comparison between the two?

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Thank you for, once again, supporting my argument. You have the last of our Warriors logos, which anybody would attest is a depiction of a proud member of a misunderstood people. Then you have this.



Anybody see a difference in how Native Americans are depicted?

Before somebody throws out an old Willie Wampum, I reiterate that that Willie COMPLETELY disappeared when this "First Warrior" logo appeared. Evidence of that is the fact that this is how SJS remembers our "disrespect" to Native Americans. Tell me, what about the logo you just posted is disrespectful? What is offensive? That aside, give us a new "Warriors" logo and that one will DISAPPEAR!

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Is THIS disrespectful? Did I miss the protests?

[4everwarriors]

there wouldn't be any mascots or nicknames. People need to lighten up. Don't take all this sheet so seriously.
For me, Warrior basketball games rocked when Willie Wampum, paper mache' head and all, would come out dancing and waving his tomahawk to the sound of "Cherokee." Games haven't had the same atmosphere since Sam Sauceda pissed on that parade.
FWIW, Bucky Badger, in my opinion, is college athletic's best mascot. Yeah, I bet animal lovers are bent out of shape over how he's portrayed. So what, he brings a lot of smiles to young and old.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Honest to God, is there a mascot in the entire country that offends people more than our current one?

I am dead serious.

Name me a single mascot that is more objectionable to a HUGE majority of the teams fans? Even people who are not fans of MU are offended by our name.

[muhoosier260]

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[Marquette84]

*** I reiterate that that Willie COMPLETELY disappeared when this "First Warrior" logo appeared.

You might want to check out 4everwarrios' avatar.  Willie's disappearance isn't quite as complete as you suggest.

***Evidence of that is the fact that this is how SJS remembers our "disrespect" to Native Americans.

Stop trying to make a mountain out of this molehill.  I posted this logo simply to prove you wrong.  Nothing more.  

You said: "As I said before, there is NO comparison between a name like "Indians" and a name like "Warriors." None. Zero. Zilch."

I think that logo proves beyond all doubt that there IS a comparison.  ESPECIALLY when you're talking about Marquette.  

Mission accomplished.  

As I said, I got over this years ago.  Its time you do the same.