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Author Topic: Best college basketball game ever?  (Read 2319 times)

Tugg Speedman

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Best college basketball game ever?
« on: January 28, 2012, 07:59:15 AM »
I thought the best game ever was Indiana State (Larry Bird)/Michigan State (Magic Johnson).  Apparently I was wrong, since it happened before Wojciechowski  career started, it doesn't count.  (I guess Wojciechowski is like all baby-boomers, anything that happened before he was born, or start his career is not that important.)

Any want to make the case I'm wrong about the greatest game ever?

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http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20120126/BLOGS04/120129857/chicago-author-examines-best-college-basketball-game-ever

Gene Wojciechowski has attended many memorable games during his 30-plus-year career as a sportswriter. I was sitting next to him for a few of them. Too bad I wasn't with Mr. Wojciechowski for the Duke-Kentucky regional final in 1992, also known as “The Laettner Game.”

Mr. Wojciechowski says that game is the best he ever covered. Others obviously agree, because his new book, “The Last Great Game: Duke vs. Kentucky and the 2.1 Seconds That Changed College Basketball,” just hit the New York Times bestseller list last week.

The Chicago-area resident, who worked at the Tribune in the 1990s and now is a columnist for ESPN.com, examines all the central characters in that game, from Mike Krzyzewski and Rick Pitino to Christian Laettner and a Kentucky team that had been drained by recruiting violations just a few years earlier.

It all climaxes with Mr. Laettner's epic last shot. Mr. Wojciechowski details the play from every angle possible.

I did a Q&A with Mr. Wojciechowski, asking why that game, which wasn't even a Final Four game, still resonates with fans 20 years later. He also discusses the Chicago connections with Mr. Krzyzewski.

Crain's: People say this is the best college basketball game ever, and yet it didn't occur in a Final Four. What lofts this game to that status?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Because it was Kentucky vs. Duke, Pitino vs. Krzyzewski, the soon-to-be-called Unforgettables vs. the virtually unbeatables of Duke. Because the game was played at an incredibly high level from start to finish. Because it went to overtime. Because you need a calculator to add all the great shots down the stretch and during OT. Because a Final Four was at stake. Because Kentucky was back from the near-dead and Duke was going for dynasty status. There were characters and there was character. I just saw Mike Krzyzewski a few weeks ago at Duke, and the first thing he wanted to talk about was that game. Twenty years later—that game.

Crain's: Obviously, this book is much more than about that game. What did you find intriguing about how those programs were built?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Kentucky was at the brink of the death penalty, of irrelevance, which is hard to believe for hoops fans who were too young to remember just how bad it got for that program. Pitino, who would have never come to Kentucky had he known something about the job he was leaving as N.Y. Knicks coach (it's explained in the book), restored UK basketball to greatness by using the "Hoosiers'' movie formula: break the players down, build them up and then find a great player. Jamal Mashburn was the great player. But Pitino was merciless. He almost had no choice. He didn't have enough talent, so he drove them to the edge with conditioning drills and his particular brand of offense.

Meanwhile, Krzyzewski, who grew up in Chicago and went to Weber High, was hired after a nine-win season at Army. That would never happen today. A nine-win coach getting a major college job? Laughable. But Duke AD Tom Butters did it and then stuck by Krzyzewski three years later when boosters wanted him fired. He had a breakthrough recruiting class shortly thereafter and slowly but surely built his program into elite status. But as late as 1991, there were questions if he could win a national title. He won it in '91 and then won another in '92. But he had to get through Kentucky to have a chance for the repeat.

Also, you realize just how much luck goes into building a program. Pitino lucked out getting Mashburn to leave New York City for Kentucky, a school Mash couldn't locate on a map. Krzyzewski lucked out getting Laettner, Bobby Hurley and Grant Hill. At one point, all three college superstars thought they were going to play at North Carolina for Dean Smith.

Crain's: The early portions of the book discuss Coach K's connections to Chicago and then to Bob Knight. How did those aspects influence his career?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Krzyzewski is the son of immigrants who came to Chicago looking for a better life. Corny, but true. He went to Catholic schools and at one point wanted to be a priest. Later, he wanted to play basketball in the Big Ten. But no Big Ten school was interested. Nobody was interested — except Knight, the youngest coach in major college basketball at the time. Krzyzewski had no interest in West Point until his parents basically shamed him into accepting the appointment. That would begin a life-long relationship that included coach, mentor, opposing coach, friend and then, for nine years, non-friend, and then friend again. It is a complicated relationship. And, at times, it was an unhealthy relationship. But there's no doubt that Knight profoundly impacted Krzyzewski's life and career, and, I think, the other way around, too. Through osmosis, Krzyzewski has many of Knight's best qualities, and very few of his worst. But that relationship — and its twists and turns — is a central theme of the book.

Crain's: Besides Coach K and Pitino, the most interesting character in the book is Mr. Laettner. What made him the perfect guy to be the hero?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Laettner is a hero and a villain at the same time. He is clearly one of the greatest college hoops players of all time. But he was despised by opponents and, often, by his own teammates. He imposed his will on those Duke teams and he didn't care if he was beloved. He loved his teammates, his school, his coach, etc. But he could be ruthless and calculating, if he thought it necessary. He isn't a hero in the classic sense. He's almost an antihero. But he was definitely the star of the game and of this book. He had movie-star looks, attended a prestigious Buffalo prep school, but actually came from a very humble background and had to work his way through high school. I covered him at Duke when I was with the L.A. Times and enjoyed talking to him then, and now. UK fans still don't find him enjoyable. Even 20 years later, the mere mention of his name to Wildcat fans sends their blood pressure to astronomical levels.

Crain's: Northwestern and Duke have much in common: academics, size, etc. Can it ever happen at Northwestern in basketball as it did for Duke?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Doubtful. You need an administration willing to be patient. You need to get lucky with recruiting. You need something of a hoops legacy. Northwestern is a great institution, but the era, the patience level, the recruiting are much different today than they were when Krzyzewski was building Duke basketball. I'd love to see it happen at Northwestern, but you have to remember that Krzyzewski has been at Duke since 1981. In many ways, he is Duke basketball now. There's nobody at Northwestern with that sort of identity. Plus, Duke actually had a basketball pedigree before Krzyzewski arrived. Not so at Northwestern.

Crain's: Forget about the Dallas Cowboys. Is Duke truly as close to an America's Team in sports?

Mr. Wojciechowski: Duke and Kentucky are sort of America's team. If you made a Mt. Rushmore of college basketball, it would feature Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and Kentucky. UCLA used to be on there, but no more. Those programs are regional and yet national too. But if you're asking which one of those four is America's Team, then, sure, Duke would be it, based on Krzyzewski's longevity, all those national championship banners under his watch, that wonderful Cameron Indoor Stadium, the Crazies — everything.

Crain's: One last point?

Mr. Wojciechowski: The book, of course, is centered around how Kentucky and Duke came to meet that amazing night at the Spectrum in Philadelphia. But after Duke beat Kentucky, it had to beat two Big Ten teams to claim that second consecutive national title: Bob Knight's Indiana team, and then Michigan and the Fab Five. The win against IU marked the beginning of the cold war between Knight and Krzyzewski, and the win against The Fab Five put an exclamation point on a very heated and, at times, racially charged rivalry.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2012, 08:17:00 AM »
Having seen both, I agree with the author even though I think he overstates it in the interview.  That was a 104-103, overtime game between the defending national champions (Duke) and an upstart (Kentucky) who had undergone a complete turn-around under Pitino.  Won on an improbable last second shot.  Went back and forth the entire game.

The 1979 game was important, because it thrust college basketball more onto the national scene and started the "March Madness" era, but it wasn't much of a game.  MSU had a ten point lead at half and was never seriously challenged in the second.  It was pretty obvious that they were the better team from the beginning.  Bird had a double-double, but didn't really shoot all that well.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2012, 08:19:10 AM »
I go with the author also.  That game was great. 

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2012, 09:25:25 AM »
Having seen both, I agree with the author even though I think he overstates it in the interview.  That was a 104-103, overtime game between the defending national champions (Duke) and an upstart (Kentucky) who had undergone a complete turn-around under Pitino.  Won on an improbable last second shot.  Went back and forth the entire game.

The 1979 game was important, because it thrust college basketball more onto the national scene and started the "March Madness" era, but it wasn't much of a game.  MSU had a ten point lead at half and was never seriously challenged in the second.  It was pretty obvious that they were the better team from the beginning.  Bird had a double-double, but didn't really shoot all that well.
Actually, the DePaul/Indiana State game in the semi-final was a better game than the final. DePaul lost by two to Bird's crew and Bird had a MONSTER game. Just looked it up...35 points, 16 rebounds and 9 assists. That DePaul team was fantastic, although only 5 deep. Literally. Played 5 guys all season.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2012, 09:47:51 AM »
Actually, the DePaul/Indiana State game in the semi-final was a better game than the final. DePaul lost by two to Bird's crew and Bird had a MONSTER game. Just looked it up...35 points, 16 rebounds and 9 assists. That DePaul team was fantastic, although only 5 deep. Literally. Played 5 guys all season.

IIRC, Mark Aguirre rimmed out a baseline jumper at the buzzer for the chance tie it.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2012, 10:46:54 AM »
Doesn't it depend on the criteria used?  From an entertainment perspective, the ISU - MSU (Bird Magic) game was not that entertaining but it was critically important to college basketball.  There have been many more entertaining games over the years than that one, but maybe not as important.

The Duke-UK game is top 5.  The six overtime game in the Big East a few years ago was one of the greatest games I ever saw.  The Kansas Memphis game for the championship.  UCONN and Duke in the Final Four in the early 2000's.  George Mason vs UCONN. 

Go old school to UNC Kansas with Wilt Chamberlain.   UCLA vs Houston in the Astrodome.  UCLA vs Notre Dame. Marquette vs UNCC for the dramatics at the end.   
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2012, 02:36:22 PM »
Where's the love for 6OT?  I'd go head to head with anyone on that being one of the greatest games ever, although it won't be much of a debate...my rebuttal to everything is going to be "Six. Overtimes."
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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2012, 02:50:08 PM »
I might be biased, but I thought it was the '77 NCAA Championship Game.   ;)

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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2012, 02:55:55 PM »
Where's the love for 6OT?  I'd go head to head with anyone on that being one of the greatest games ever, although it won't be much of a debate...my rebuttal to everything is going to be "Six. Overtimes."


Well, I missed it because I was too tired.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2012, 04:32:48 PM »
I'm a junior in college so besides highlights I do not have a memory of the aforementioned games.

In my opinion, the best game I had the pleasure to witness was Kansas State-Xavier in the NCAA tournament a few years back. Multiple buzzer beaters and double overtime. Just unreal.

Another candidate would be the  six overtime game between Syracuse and UConn at MSG.

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Re: Best college basketball game ever?
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2012, 10:13:06 PM »
I think I'd go with the Laettner game as #1.  The 6-OT game is right up there as well. 

My personal favorite is the length of the court pass by Butch to Jerome past Cornbread.  Certainly the greatest play in MU history.

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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 12:14:59 PM »
My list:

1.  The Laettner/Mashburn Duke/KY game
2.  Georgetown nips Princeton by 1 and a 16-1 game in Providence
3.  NC State over Houston 1983 NCAA Championship
4.  Villanova over Georgetown (the perfect game) for the 1985(?) NCAA Championship
5.  Duke beats UConn on a Laettner jump shot at the buzzer to go to the 1990 Final Four (I hate Laettner)

I was at the MU-ND game where Doc Rivers hit a 35 footer at the horn for the victory, which is probably the best MU game I've seen, but that hardly qualifies as a classic.  It's funny, I watched the 1977 MU-UNCC NCAA semifinal game as a HS Soph in CT but don't remember the game itself that well.  I remember I loved Jerome Whitehead (I was a 6-5 HS caucasian version of Jerome) and I probably don't visit the Marquette booth at the college fair if not for that game.  I don't go to Marquette without visiting that booth.  I met my wife at Marquette with whom I've been happily married for almost 27 years.   So without exaggeration I think that was the most influential game on my life of any sporting event I've participated in or watched.

As for ISU/MSU, I was playing in a basketball tournament the night of the Magic/Bird game.  We won a thriller but all we cared about was hustling out of there to watch the game.  We got to a TV for the second half and I do not remember ever thinking ISU had a chance, so it doesn't register as an all time great game to me.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 02:59:26 PM »
My favorite was the NC State-Maryland game in the 1974 ACC tournament final. The teams were rated 1 and 3 in the country but that was the last year that only one team from a conference could go to the NCAA so there was a lot at stake. Both teams were loaded with talent, and the game went back and forth with NC State winning 103-100 in OT. Of course that team went on to end UCLA's NCAA winning streak in the national semifinals before beating Marquette for the title.

The NC State team had 4 players drafted by the NBA, most notably David Thompson and Tom Burleson, while Maryland had 6, including Len Elmore, Tom McMillen aand John Lucas.

That game was probably the biggest factor leading to the NCAA allowing more than one team from a conference to play in the tournament.