Gary Parrish Keeps Stirring The Pot

[lurch91]

Yeah, $3 mill is completely stupid money.  I want Buzz to stay, but if Ark offers that much HOW can you say no?  Even if you last only 3-4 years, you're set if you invest/save wisely.

[NotAnAlum]

You guys can continue to speculate on this subject and listen to that idiot Parrish (who's entire job is to speculate to draw attention).
If you read Buzz's quoted from after the game in Rosiak's blog, I'm satisfied.

"I think that Marquette, as an institution, is about much more than just academics. And I think that -- I'm not a Jesuit, but I do have similar values. Very similar values."
and
"But the institution of Marquette and what I hope that our program represents as well is that it's got to be bigger than that. It's got to be deeper than that."
Buzz Williams

[groove]

You guys can continue to speculate on this subject and listen to that idiot Parrish (who's entire job is to speculate to draw attention).
If you read Buzz's quoted from after the game in Rosiak's blog, I'm satisfied.

"I think that Marquette, as an institution, is about much more than just academics. And I think that -- I'm not a Jesuit, but I do have similar values. Very similar values."
and
"But the institution of Marquette and what I hope that our program represents as well is that it's got to be bigger than that. It's got to be deeper than that."
Buzz Williams

so you likes marquette, doesn't say anything about staying

[Tugg Speedman]

Another...do you really believe Boeheim makes $1m?  Of course not

I goggled "college basketball coaches salaries" and that is what came up.

http://basketball.about.com/od/coaches/a/coach-salaries.htm

It's dated May 7, 2010

Forbes has one dated March 8, 2010

http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/05/calipari-donovan-pitino-business-sports-college-basketball-coaches.html

Coach                   Team     Average Salary (Millions)
John Calipari         Kentucky         4
Billy Donovan        Florida            3.3
Buzz Williams        Arkansas          3
Bill Self                Kansas            3
Thad Matta          Ohio State       2.5
Jim Calhoun          Connecticut     2.3
Rick Pitino            Louisville         2.25
Mike Krzyzewski     Duke                2.2
Roy Williams          North Carolina  2.2
Rick Barnes           Texas             2
Bob Huggins          WVU               2
Ben Howland         UCLA                2

The Biggest difference is Coach K ... the first said 1.2 and the second said 2.2.

Regarding guys like Boeheim, Coach K, Roy Williams and why the are not at the top of the list.  Because they have job security.  They are going to coach at their institutions until they decided to retire.  No one is running them off.  So, money like Calipari is getting is not as critical, as Calipari understands he is a hired gun that will only be there a few years (when he's busted) so he needs to be paid upfront.

So, yes, their relatively lower salaries do make sense to me.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Don't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?

[lurch91]

Don't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?

And Keno Davis, and....  It's a long list.

And those salary figures are just what the coaches get paid in salary from the university, it doesn't factor in the millions they get for bonuses, camps, appearances and other fees.

[brewcity77]

Don't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?

Gillispie yes, but I disagree on Crean. Everyone knew when he took over that it would be a long road back from Sampson. He has a very young team, an incoming McDonald's All-American, and a train of four and five star recruits coming in from 2011 through 2014. If he can keep all the guys who've verbaled to Indiana, Crean should have them back in the national title race within 3-5 years.

Maybe that's the difference between him and Buzz. Crean felt he needed to go to Indiana to recruit that next level of players, and now that he's there, it seems he was right. Buzz is recruiting similar kids here. Crean may be behind a desk now, but he'll be back in the NCAAs before too long, and I wouldn't mind in 2 years seeing a Buzz/Crean matchup in the first round. The SC just loves those types of stories...

[79Warrior]

I'd agree, but people with a lot of dough spend money foolishly all the time.

A lot of Walmart money down there.  Shall be interesting

Yep, raise the cost of wal mart toilet paper 10 cents and make another donation.

[thekahoona]

I don't have the inclination to look it up, but there have been multiple stories out there through the years that have shown the relationship between coach/salary and long-term success is weak tea.

Those same stories have always shown that the significant relationship is between coach/time and long-term success.  

In other words, building an elite program is less about the money paid than about the stability and lack of turnover in the coaching spot.  

I just look at Calhoun, Boeheim, Krzyzewski, etc.  The common element is that they are rock solid in their tenure at their schools and they compete for dominance nearly every year.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Gillispie yes, but I disagree on Crean. Everyone knew when he took over that it would be a long road back from Sampson. He has a very young team, an incoming McDonald's All-American, and a train of four and five star recruits coming in from 2011 through 2014. If he can keep all the guys who've verbaled to Indiana, Crean should have them back in the national title race within 3-5 years.

Maybe that's the difference between him and Buzz. Crean felt he needed to go to Indiana to recruit that next level of players, and now that he's there, it seems he was right. Buzz is recruiting similar kids here. Crean may be behind a desk now, but he'll be back in the NCAAs before too long, and I wouldn't mind in 2 years seeing a Buzz/Crean matchup in the first round. The SC just loves those types of stories...

For those that are huge Jay Bilas fans, he was basically raving about TC last night and talked about how IU had to totally blow up their program...he was comparing it to what might have to happen at Tennessee.  I had to chuckle a bit.  Wish I had the video as it probably would have made some Bilas fans \ TC haters cringe. 

[Dish]

Parrish with some more Buzz love...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14829974/breaking-down-holloway-leads-to-marquette-baffling-xavier

[IAmMarquette]

I don't have the inclination to look it up, but there have been multiple stories out there through the years that have shown the relationship between coach/salary and long-term success is weak tea.

Those same stories have always shown that the significant relationship is between coach/time and long-term success.  

In other words, building an elite program is less about the money paid than about the stability and lack of turnover in the coaching spot.  

I just look at Calhoun, Boeheim, Krzyzewski, etc.  The common element is that they are rock solid in their tenure at their schools and they compete for dominance nearly every year.

This is the difference between IU and many of the other potential job openings: IU is committed to cleaning up the mess Sampson made, and they're committed to giving Crean the time to do it. Most other programs are looking for a "win now" hire, which rarely works in college.

[Goose]

$3 million a year? Only in America. Hope he gets it because every up and coming guy should want to want to come here. Forget putting out NBA players we put out highly paid coaches. Cracks me up because three years ago he would have taken $3 million for 8 years.

Buzz I want you to stay, but take the dough!!! If he gets fxxk you money from someone it will be one of the greatest moments in MU ball for me. Al in his heyday could not have leveraged his situation to this extent.

God bless Buzz! Anything can happen in America. I have a new role model if this happens.

[Hoopaloop]

Here is the video of Bilas

http://www.youtube.com/v/kdvwTYLcRRI

[shoothoops]

Gary Parrish will look awfully silly if Mike Anderson doesn't take the Arkansas position.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Thank you...yes, that is the video.  The Bilas lovers here probably are catatonic right now.   

[HoopsMalone]

I have lived in a small state before and people definitely look at how the universities spend their money.  Public employee salaries come from tax money.  It does not matter what other money the sport brings in from direct revenues or boosters. 

The citizens of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee are not going to want to pay some dude named Buzz $3 million.  That is a PR nightmare for states trying to trim budgets.

[El Duderino]

Thank you...yes, that is the video.  The Bilas lovers here probably are catatonic right now.   

Tom Crean is a good basketball coach. I can see why many Marquette fans didn't like how he handled his exit from the program because i'm one of them and how he loved basking in his name being mentioned for other jobs, but it would take someone being a blind hater of Crean to say he's a poor college basketball coach.

His recruiting was kinda erratic here and that led to some seasons having to go to the NIT, but don't view Marquette as a program which should expect an NCAA Tournament bid each year like a Duke or Kansas fan should expect it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I have lived in a small state before and people definitely look at how the universities spend their money.  Public employee salaries come from tax money.  It does not matter what other money the sport brings in from direct revenues or boosters. 

The citizens of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee are not going to want to pay some dude named Buzz $3 million.  That is a PR nightmare for states trying to trim budgets.

Don't you think a number of citizens in those states will do anything to win, especially those in states where the big flagship college IS their pro franchise in many respects? 

The one thing that does come into the equation is the football side of things.  No way the bball coach is going to be paid more than the football coach, but the football coaches at OU, UT, UA are paid pretty well. 

Top 10 as of 2009
1. Pete Carroll (USC) $4.39M
2. Bob Stoops (OU) $4.3M
3. Urban Meyer (Fla) $4M
4. Nick Saban (Ala) $3.9M
5. Les Miles (LSU) $3.75M
6. Jim Tressel (Ohio St.) $3.72
7. Mark Richt (Georgia) $3.1M
8. Mack Brown (Texas) $3.06M
9. Kirck Ferentz (Iowa) $3.02M
10. Bobby Petrino (Arkansas) $3.86

[HoopsMalone]

Don't you think a number of citizens in those states will do anything to win, especially those in states where the big flagship college IS their pro franchise in many respects? 

The one thing that does come into the equation is the football side of things.  No way the bball coach is going to be paid more than the football coach, but the football coaches at OU, UT, UA are paid pretty well. 

Top 10 as of 2009
1. Pete Carroll (USC) $4.39M
2. Bob Stoops (OU) $4.3M
3. Urban Meyer (Fla) $4M
4. Nick Saban (Ala) $3.9M
5. Les Miles (LSU) $3.75M
6. Jim Tressel (Ohio St.) $3.72
7. Mark Richt (Georgia) $3.1M
8. Mack Brown (Texas) $3.06M
9. Kirck Ferentz (Iowa) $3.02M
10. Bobby Petrino (Arkansas) $3.86

I don't think that people care too much about basketball in those states.  It would be a PR nightmare.

Iowa is the state I lived in and people are not happy about #9 on your list there.  It's not going to change anything, but it was a PR nightmare when Iowa was finishing .500.  Buzz will face the same problems.  Football is king and the moneymaker.  It would be hard to have Buzz making $3M at a state school.  Any time teachers' salaries are cut in Oklahoma, Buzz's salary would be included in the article.

[Goose]

Basketball is big both in Arkansas and OK. The programs have long history of success and they back those programs. OK so much at OK State is a good program as well. Do people really care what the coach is paid? I pay taxes in WI and do not care UW coaches are paid.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Tom Crean is a good basketball coach. I can see why many Marquette fans didn't like how he handled his exit from the program because i'm one of them and how he loved basking in his name being mentioned for other jobs, but it would take someone being a blind hater of Crean to say he's a poor college basketball coach.

How long  you been here...there are a bunch of blind haters present   

[HoopsMalone]

Do people really care what the coach is paid? I pay taxes in WI and do not care UW coaches are paid.

You would be very surprised at how angry people get about stuff like that.  Especially when there tax money goes to someone who is not winning.  You also don't see UW coaches on these lists of highest paid coaches.  Buzz would stand out big time at $3M.

Buzz will not be getting $3M.  He may end up at OU, but not for that much.  I am only saying this because MU will be able to match Buzz's offer when it comes.  Buzz will leave because he wants to.  Not because MU is being outbid by a football state school.

[Pakuni]

Maybe Oklahoma can go after this guy.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=dw-wetzel_brown_wants_to_go_back_to_school_032011