We were no longer recruiting Jamil Wilson...now I have no freaking idea....

[mu-rara]

We will never be the State of Wisconsin's team. We do not have football and we do not have the rivalries that Wisconsin have. The average Wisconsin resident wants to beat the other Big Ten schools that have been rivals for 100+ years. They do not care about Rutgers, Seton Hall, South Florida, St. John's, Providence, DePaul and Cincinatti. They are aware of the success of Uconn, Louisville, Syracuse, Georgetwon, Pitt, Villanova,  and West Virgina, but generally do not care one way or another about them. Notre Dame is probably the only Big East opponent that the average Wisconsin resident cares about. Given that do not expect us to be Wisconsin's team. We need to recruit everywhere and recruit a balanced team. By the way Wade is a superstar. I am quite sure that Wilson will never compare to him, so the argument about how good a team would be with 4 Wade's is irrelevant.

Could not have said it any better

[ecompt]

Being from out of state I couldn't care less whether we are Wisconsin's team. We could recruit all state kids and go deep into the tournament and the Urinal Sentinel would still give more coverage to a Badgers win at Penn State. I can tell you that outside the state MU gets a lot more respect than the Badgers ever will. We play in markets -- New York, Philly, Washington, Louisville, Pittsburgh -- where people could care less about Big Ten basketball. I'd love for Jamil Wilson to say he wants to play for the best team in the state against the best talent in college basketball. But if he doesn't, we'll survive.   

[Big Papi]

Wade wasn't a good defender?  Are we talking about the same person. top ten all time single season in blocks and steals?

Good job not answering the question though, How would you score?  Which has been my entire point.  Wade would out rebound you at 3 of 4 positions.  And would play better D at 4 out of 4.  And James has proven that he is useless against teams with big 1's who are athletic enough to stay with him.  You would end up relying completely on circus shots and Lazar, who i love and is really your only advantage.  I will agree that 3 wades and a true PF would be better than 4 wades but no way does lazar make up for the fact that wes, dj, and jm would be doninated.

And here, i'll put a smilie face since you apperently think that anyone who disagrees with you is angry and thinks they know everything. 

Who said Wade wasn't a good defender?  The point is there are a lot of factors involved to being a very good team.  For as great as Wade was, he was not perfect.  And to replicate the same person at all five positions magnifies your weaknesses.  Also, you seem to dismiss McNeal and DJs defensive abilities when you should know that they are very very good.  How do they score?  How does Wade score.  WHile DJ does struggle to score against bigger opponents, he is still a way better ball handler than Wade and would be able to get the ball upcourt easier than the other way around.  Than how does a 6'3" player defend a 6'9" player in the post?  Perimeter shooting?  Wade was a shade above .300 and only made 14 or so 3 point shots his jr year.  Wade is a great player but basketball is a team sport.  Blending together different abilities, i.e. strengths and weaknesses, go long way towards team success.  If that wasn't the case than all of the coaches would be recruiting a roster full of athletic 6'3" players who could defend great but not be able to stretch a defense or score off of the low post.  So back to the original arguement, MU is better off with a team that has multiple different skill sets instead of a lot of the same skill sets in overabundance.  Wilson was not a primary need.  A legit 4 or a legit 2 guard is a primary need. A 2 to stretch the defense and 4 to defend and bring out the opponents 4 from the lane for our athletic slashers.  Now that is a team concept that can get you very far in the tourny.

Also for anyone who wants to know how close we really were to getting Jamil, I highly suggest paying the small fee to Dodds and reading about it on the premium board.

[MDMU04]

I wouldn't be so sure that we stopped recruiting Wilson.  Might have something to do with the Snaer decision.  I don't know anything about the source on this one but this was posted today:

9:57 a.m. Marquette, Michigan State, Oregon or Texas for Jamil Wilson. Word is he's leaning toward signing tomorrow. In our minds, Michigan State was the long time behind the scenes leader but will they be able to sign him? Whispers began over the weekend – while he was on his visit to Oregon – about Marquette. Stay tuned. (DT)

http://kansas.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=2&c=810479

[nyg]

It also says Florida State the leader for Snaer.  Hopefully this will all be over tommorow, and get ready for this season. 

[THEGYMBAR]

He is a Warrior by week's end. Sticking to my past posts!!!!!

[HoopDreams]

Does Mark Miller have have any updates on this situation? I think it is hard to rely on a national service (scout or rivals) saying there are whispers Marquette is still involved rather than a local expert. I am curious to see what happens over the next week or so with all these recruits.

[MuMark]

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[bleedbluegold03]

no one has ever doubted that Wilson doesn't have potential. His freshman year many recruiters saw his potential and put him very, very high on lists but his inability to reach lofty expectations early has left many people weary on him. Mark Miller has metioned that while Maymon is the best prospect right now, Wilson has a better upside in the long run.

With this thought I think a little bit of Wilson's stunted growth as a basketball player has come from him not being completely focused on basketball for the entire year. While most top 100 recruits focus completely on basketball he is playing volleyball for a good 3-4 months out of the year. In no way I am saying that is bad but I think that he may reach his "potential" once he gets to college and focuses on basketball 24/7. IMO I believe that by his Junior year Jamil Wilson may show his potential and skills that have been raw up to this point. If he obtain that potential at the shooting guard - like Mark Miller said he would play in college - with the height of 6'6" WATCH OUT, he very well could be considered for a All Big East team.

If Wilson signs with Marquette, and that still is an if, I definitely see a good possibility of him becoming the player we all dreamed he would be for the blue and gold and leading our team to a Final Four run. In 2010-2011 we will have a potential starting lineup of junior cadougan 6'1" (Jr), jamil wilson 6'6" (Jr), jeromme maymon 6'7" (Jr), chris otule 6'10" (Sr), and liam mcmorrow 7'0" (Sr) with erik williams 6'7" (Jr) and brett roseboro 6'10" (Jr) coming off the bench with other younger players hopefully including a young three point specialist. Obviously there may be changes as that is three years off but with the experience, height, athleticism, and potential that that team may possess I am seeing a reoccurring picture in the crystal ball: FINAL FOUR

[THEGYMBAR]

Blueandgold---You are talking my kind of talk. This kid has unlimited potential. Combine him with the current recruiting class for next year you are looking at FinalFour class. In my opinion, Wilsom will be a top tier college player.
I have my fingers crossed, but I must admit I have a great feeling about this.

[muarmy81]

So,
With the recent hurricane of activity involving Snaer and Wilson, When is Wilson scheduled to make a decision?  Has it been confirmed that he'll commit during the early signing period like Snaer?

[dennycrane]

Last week Wilson was not a good fit. This week? What changed?

[bleedbluegold03]

no one has ever doubted that Wilson doesn't have potential. His freshman year many recruiters saw his potential and put him very, very high on lists but his inability to reach lofty expectations early has left many people weary on him. Mark Miller has metioned that while Maymon is the best prospect right now, Wilson has a better upside in the long run.

With this thought I think a little bit of Wilson's stunted growth as a basketball player has come from him not being completely focused on basketball for the entire year. While most top 100 recruits focus completely on basketball he is playing volleyball for a good 3-4 months out of the year. In no way I am saying that is bad but I think that he may reach his "potential" once he gets to college and focuses on basketball 24/7. IMO I believe that by his Junior year Jamil Wilson may show his potential and skills that have been raw up to this point. If he obtain that potential at the shooting guard - like Mark Miller said he would play in college - with the height of 6'6" WATCH OUT, he very well could be considered for a All Big East team.

If Wilson signs with Marquette, and that still is an if, I definitely see a good possibility of him becoming the player we all dreamed he would be for the blue and gold and leading our team to a Final Four run. In 2010-2011 we will have a potential starting lineup of junior cadougan 6'1" (Jr), jamil wilson 6'6" (Jr), jeromme maymon 6'7" (Jr), chris otule 6'10" (Sr), and liam mcmorrow 7'0" (Sr) with erik williams 6'7" (Jr) and brett roseboro 6'10" (Jr) coming off the bench with other younger players hopefully including a young three point specialist. Obviously there may be changes as that is three years off but with the experience, height, athleticism, and potential that that team may possess I am seeing a reoccurring picture in the crystal ball: FINAL FOUR

[Big Papi]

Blueandgold, your theory about concentrating on a specific sport sounds great but I have concerns with Jamil ever fully reaching his potential.  Wes was another player who was suppossed to be the skys the limit type of kid once he gave up soccer and concentrated on basketball and that never fully materialized.  

My line of thinking is that a kid either gets it or he doesn't and I don't see Jamil ever reaching his potential.  He doesn't seem to have that killer instinct.  I think Jamil is the ultimate tease.  You salivate over the ability and the potential and you might get it in spots but it rarely materializes into what you had fully hoped it would.  

Now don't get me wrong, I would be ok with Jamil but I don't think he fills a need for this team which is a 2 guard with a very good outside shot and stellar defense.  Snaer is the player we need.    

And if I had my choice of either Maymon or Jamil, I would take Maymon because he does get it, as he has produced year in and year out and will be the more productive player.  He just has that killer mentality that wants to win and knows how to win.  He is very similar to McNeal and Diener in that regard.

[dennycrane]

no one has ever doubted that Wilson doesn't have potential. His freshman year many recruiters saw his potential and put him very, very high on lists but his inability to reach lofty expectations early has left many people weary on him. Mark Miller has metioned that while Maymon is the best prospect right now, Wilson has a better upside in the long run.

With this thought I think a little bit of Wilson's stunted growth as a basketball player has come from him not being completely focused on basketball for the entire year. While most top 100 recruits focus completely on basketball he is playing volleyball for a good 3-4 months out of the year. In no way I am saying that is bad but I think that he may reach his "potential" once he gets to college and focuses on basketball 24/7. IMO I believe that by his Junior year Jamil Wilson may show his potential and skills that have been raw up to this point. If he obtain that potential at the shooting guard - like Mark Miller said he would play in college - with the height of 6'6" WATCH OUT, he very well could be considered for a All Big East team.

If Wilson signs with Marquette, and that still is an if, I definitely see a good possibility of him becoming the player we all dreamed he would be for the blue and gold and leading our team to a Final Four run. In 2010-2011 we will have a potential starting lineup of junior cadougan 6'1" (Jr), jamil wilson 6'6" (Jr), jeromme maymon 6'7" (Jr), chris otule 6'10" (Sr), and liam mcmorrow 7'0" (Sr) with erik williams 6'7" (Jr) and brett roseboro 6'10" (Jr) coming off the bench with other younger players hopefully including a young three point specialist. Obviously there may be changes as that is three years off but with the experience, height, athleticism, and potential that that team may possess I am seeing a reoccurring picture in the crystal ball: FINAL FOUR

I agree with Mark Miller that Wilson has more upside.

Your line up has major issues. Wilson is not close to being able to play 2g in the Big East nightly. Neither is Maymon. Maybe they can get there? Honestly I don't like those odds. 

[Kramerica]

I personally would much rather have Snaer than Wilson.  Snaer can shoot the three, is a true 2 Guard and fills a hole that we don't have. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Blueandgold, your theory about concentrating on a specific sport sounds great but I have concerns with Jamil ever fully reaching his potential.  Wes was another player who was suppossed to be the skys the limit type of kid once he gave up soccer and concentrated on basketball and that never fully materialized.  

My line of thinking is that a kid either gets it or he doesn't and I don't see Jamil ever reaching his potential.  He doesn't seem to have that killer instinct.  I think Jamil is the ultimate tease.  You salivate over the ability and the potential and you might get it in spots but it rarely materializes into what you had fully hoped it would.  

Now don't get me wrong, I would be ok with Jamil but I don't think he fills a need for this team which is a 2 guard with a very good outside shot and stellar defense.  Snaer is the player we need.    

And if I had my choice of either Maymon or Jamil, I would take Maymon because he does get it, as he has produced year in and year out and will be the more productive player.  He just has that killer mentality that wants to win and knows how to win.  He is very similar to McNeal and Diener in that regard.

I love Wes as a player.  I don't recall "sky's the limit" type expectations, but maybe they were there.

Jamil seems like a Shannon Smith or Dameon Mason type.  Guys with upsides but didn't quite seem to get there.  But since Jamil is only 18 years of age, he has yet to blossom.   

It is strange though how Buzz called last week to say NO MAS and now he's back portentially.  And oh by the way, we don't have a scholarship for him either. 

[MarkMiller]

Jamil Wilson is much better than Shannon Smith or Dameon Mason.

[JSwarriors08]

And oh by the way, we don't have a scholarship for him either. 

Gotta hate all those little technicalities

[ChicosBailBonds]

Jamil Wilson is much better than Shannon Smith or Dameon Mason.

Hopefully so, but the recruiting gurus were talking high remarks about those guys, too.   I prefer to judge all of these kids after their 4 years of eligibility are done.

[HoopDreams]

Update Per Scout...

First topic of discussion is Jamil Wilson. There's a lot of moving and shaking going on in his recruitment. A conversation with his AAU coach, Duane Wilson, leads us to believe he will definitely commit during the signing period. The schools in the mix are Oregon, Michigan State, Texas and Marquette. Oregon was his last visit. MSU has been the assumed leader for much of his recruitment. Texas is the sleeper in this ordeal, while Marquette is making a late push and is very much alive. (ED)

[THEGYMBAR]

No comparison between Wilson and Smith/Mason. Jamil Wilson is a far bigger talent and basketbal player than those two. I happened to love a lot about Shannon Smith, but even as a fan of his I cannot compare him to Wilson.

Lets go out and sign this guy. It will be an unbelievable recruiting class.

[Hards Alumni]

highly recruited players do not always pan out.

also, stop reposting things previously said in the thread.

If you are going to post please read the whole thread before you do rather than look foolish later.