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hawk

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self creating universe
« on: April 05, 2022, 02:29:27 PM »
need some help with the problem of creating something from nothing.  If God exists clearly the created universe didn't come from nothing it came from Him.  IF God is eternal, infinite, incorporeal and transcendent  the universe is "in" Him.  If there is no God, how can the universe bootstrap itself into existence?  If virtual particles appear in a quantum field they didn't appear from nothing, they appeared from the quantum field.  where do self causing quantum fields come from?
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2022, 02:31:49 PM »
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2022, 02:32:15 PM »
Too deep for me.
From dust we came and to dust we return.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2022, 02:36:00 PM »
Al is God. He sees all, knows all, wins all. And occasionally, he punches all in the face.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2022, 02:48:40 PM »
Quote from: hawk on April 05, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
need some help with the problem of creating something from nothing.  If God exists clearly the created universe didn't come from nothing it came from Him.  IF God is eternal, infinite, incorporeal and transcendent  the universe is "in" Him.  If there is no God, how can the universe bootstrap itself into existence?  If virtual particles appear in a quantum field they didn't appear from nothing, they appeared from the quantum field.  where do self causing quantum fields come from?

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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2022, 02:51:18 PM »
#checkmateatheists
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2022, 03:10:36 PM »
Quote from: hawk on April 05, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
need some help with the problem of creating something from nothing.  If God exists clearly the created universe didn't come from nothing it came from Him.  IF God is eternal, infinite, incorporeal and transcendent  the universe is "in" Him.  If there is no God, how can the universe bootstrap itself into existence?  If virtual particles appear in a quantum field they didn't appear from nothing, they appeared from the quantum field.  where do self causing quantum fields come from?
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/ask-ethan-how-would-you-explain-the-big-bang-to-a-child-7015dd817757
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hawk

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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2022, 03:49:34 PM »
Aristotle realized that there had to be a beginning of any series of events outside the events themselves.  If you want to roll with the big bang theory you need to account for that which preceded it.if nothing we know of in the universe has as its nature to exist, the question remains what existed before the big bang to start with?  Aristotle denied the possibility of infinite regress.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2022, 03:54:53 PM »
Aristotle wasn't smart enough to get into UW-Madison.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2022, 03:55:20 PM »
I mean, if there has to be "a beginning of any series of events outside the events themselves," how does God exist?
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2022, 03:56:28 PM »
You may want to pitch Ughs instead.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2022, 04:01:59 PM »
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2022, 03:54:53 PM
Aristotle wasn't smart enough to get into UW-Madison.

He wanted to go to UW, but Bo cooled on him.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2022, 04:06:39 PM »
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 05, 2022, 02:32:15 PM
Too deep for me.
From dust we came and to dust we return.

Let's keep Arby's out of this.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2022, 04:20:34 PM »
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2022, 03:54:53 PM
Aristotle wasn't smart enough to get into UW-Madison.

He didn’t want to redshirt
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2022, 04:22:35 PM »
I'm confused, I thought we answered this 7 months ago. 
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62155.0
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2022, 04:27:46 PM »
I blame Rico.

An alternate identity just to mess with our heads. I need a gummy so I can get into some deeper thinking.
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2022, 04:29:46 PM »
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 05, 2022, 04:22:35 PM
I'm confused, I thought we answered this 7 months ago. 
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62155.0

That left many unanswered questions, such as ...

Was the Big Bang merely the product of post-Arby's gastric distress?
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Re: self creating universe
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2022, 04:34:34 PM »
If there is a god, then it is cruel god. Who else would forsake an entire people to 7 years of Wojo.
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