The return of EVs thread

[tower912]

EV's are the future.  The future is just getting kicked down the road.   Charging times and range are two of the largest concerns.  Automakers continue to innovate on the battery technology.  IMO, 2050 is the new 2035.


And it will be market driven, as China, India, and the Europe will all want them and automakers will adjust to the larger markets.

[MU82]

I prefer the government telling businesses to eat profits and universities they can't accept foreigners.  I'm fully embracing Central Planning

Don't forget "Central Planning" telling women what they can and cannot do with their own reproductive systems.

[GOO]

EV's are the future.  The future is just getting kicked down the road.  Charging times and range are two of the largest concerns.  Automakers continue to innovate on the battery technology.  IMO, 2050 is the new 2035.

And it will be market driven, as China, India, and the Europe will all want them and automakers will adjust to the larger markets.

This is true. I'd add that the future is arriving faster in China and Europe than the USA. And maybe has arrived there already.  It is slowly arriving in the USA.

The benefits for big cities and urban areas are too great for EVs adoption to slow down in those areas.

I'd like to see EV tech take over recreational water engines and boats. Kind of crazy how much noise pollution there is on lakes, being an old guy, I like quiet lakes and zen out. I wouldn't mind some kind of a ban on noisy motor boats and wave runners etc. Balancing ones "right" to have fun versus ones "right" to less noise pollution.

Charging times and range are probably more of an issue for those that don't use EVs or have an EV with a range of under 250 miles or so. Otherwise really shouldn't be an issue in my experience, at least for most people. Time saver over all by far. And extremely convenient unless one does long trips often.

[tower912]

Ford is now offering to install a home charger with the purchase of an EV.  That could sway me.  And I can easily see a transition period where families have one EV and one ICE/hybrid, one for around town and one for road trips.   I could easily do 98% of my driving with an EV and a home charger. 

[jesmu84]

Removing the subsidy is meh, whatever.

A federal yearly fee on top of yearly state registration fees is fucking stupid and merely a punishment.

Get bent.

Cruelty is the point.

[jesmu84]

I agree. I have nothing against EVs. I just don't want the government telling me what kind of car I have to buy. As for charging stations they should at a minimum be standard for all EVs. Until they get the charging time to under 4 minutes for a full charge I am not interested in purchasing an EV. Also electricians here in Jersey are charging a few thousand to put a 240V outlet in your garage. My neighbor has one of the those Tesla trucks and really likes it. He is one of those lucky employees that gets to work from home. He goes to his home office twice a month. We did not have a very cold winter. There was a week where it was in the single digits and teens. His truck worked fine.

The government is telling you you have to buy a non-chinese car.

You gonna maintain your principled stance?

[tower912]

Removing the subsidy is meh, whatever.

A federal yearly fee on top of yearly state registration fees is fucking stupid and merely a punishment.

Get bent.

Cruelty is the point.

Nice job beating the autocorrect censor.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Nice job beating the autocorrect censor.

FUCKING FUCKING FUCKING

We found the loophole!

[Shaka Shart]

Fucking is just a city in Austria.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I just don't want the government telling me what kind of car I have to buy.

Or what kind of paint. The kind with lead really brightens up the nursery.

[dgies9156]

Removing the subsidy is meh, whatever.

A federal yearly fee on top of yearly state registration fees is fucking stupid and merely a punishment.

Get bent.

Cruelty is the point.

The purpose of the fee is to have electric vehicles contribute to the Highway Trust Fund, which builds or repairs roadways. As America becomes more EV-oriented, expect more of this. Some states, like Illinois, have considered an per-mile charge to make up for the lost gasoline taxes from electric vehicles.

The end of the subsidy should be considered a good thing -- electric vehicles will have to stand on their own in the marketplace. It's also suggesting that volume is increasing to the point where fixed costs are spread across far more vehicles, effectively reducing the cost on a per unit basis.

Finally, if you don't like federal regulation, don't complain next time someone dumps toxic waste in your drinking water.

[Uncle Rico]

The government is telling you you have to buy a non-chinese car.

You gonna maintain your principled stance?

That depends on what Jesse Watters says

[PointWarrior]

Ford is now offering to install a home charger with the purchase of an EV.  That could sway me.  And I can easily see a transition period where families have one EV and one ICE/hybrid, one for around town and one for road trips.   I could easily do 98% of my driving with an EV and a home charger. 

This is me now.  Pretty much was anti-EV.  But commuting 5 days to work with free electric, I will not go back.  Would not want an EV as only car, but is sure fun with instant acceleration.  Have a home charger but have not had to use it. 

[JWags85]

The government is telling you you have to buy a non-chinese car.

You gonna maintain your principled stance?

Devil's advocate, there is a lot of safety, reliability, etc... concerns with Chinese vehicles that you don't see in flashy promo videos or paid influencer test drives.  There obviously is trade war/rivalry considerations, but its not that China just has magically incredible vehicles with way better tech and way better prices, like for like.

I have a friend in Singapore that had a BYD and his uncle had a Xiaomi.  Both lasted under a year before reliability was too much of a headache.  Both switched to BMW electrics.  Looked great and a ton of bells and whistles, but weren't great once that wore off.  They said it may have been different if they hadn't had non-Chinese EVs to easily compare them to.

Also saying you have to buy an electric as opposed to ICE car isn't the same as saying Chinese vehicles aren't available in the market.  Its like saying you have to buy organic fair trade produce is the same as not importing oranges from Venezuela or durian from North Korea.  There are thousands of products of all categories you can't buy in the US for a variety of governmental decided reasons.

[rocky_warrior]

So, why not Lithium? I guess we can ban anything depending on the majority in our state houses and executive offices.

https://www.alsym.com/blog/lithium-based-batteries-are-toxic-from-start-to-finish/#:~:text=Lithium%20is%20used%20for%20many%20purposes,%20including

I'm a little late to all this.  And since it was bumped in a reply to an old post of mine...I'm overinvested in lithium!  Buy LAC!  Giddyup!  (But seriously, buy soon or you'll be too late)

[jesmu84]

Devil's advocate, there is a lot of safety, reliability, etc... concerns with Chinese vehicles that you don't see in flashy promo videos or paid influencer test drives.  There obviously is trade war/rivalry considerations, but its not that China just has magically incredible vehicles with way better tech and way better prices, like for like.

I have a friend in Singapore that had a BYD and his uncle had a Xiaomi.  Both lasted under a year before reliability was too much of a headache.  Both switched to BMW electrics.  Looked great and a ton of bells and whistles, but weren't great once that wore off.  They said it may have been different if they hadn't had non-Chinese EVs to easily compare them to.

Also saying you have to buy an electric as opposed to ICE car isn't the same as saying Chinese vehicles aren't available in the market.  Its like saying you have to buy organic fair trade produce is the same as not importing oranges from Venezuela or durian from North Korea.  There are thousands of products of all categories you can't buy in the US for a variety of governmental decided reasons.

Agreed on some issues regarding Chinese vehicle safety and reliability standards.

However, OP likely didn't know about that. OP, based on posting history, is fighting the good fight against a crushing big brother government interfering in his freedom to choose.

I'm just curious how far that principle goes

[NCMUFan]

I'd like to see EV tech take over recreational water engines and boats. Kind of crazy how much noise pollution there is on lakes, being an old guy, I like quiet lakes and zen out. I wouldn't mind some kind of a ban on noisy motor boats and wave runners etc. Balancing ones "right" to have fun versus ones "right" to less noise pollution.

There must be safety concerns over lithium, electrical system and water.

[rocky_warrior]

There must be safety concerns over lithium, electrical system and water.

There may be...but I really think this is an energy density problem.  1 gallon of gasoline weighs about 6lbs.  The energy equivalent in terms of batteries, would require about 600lbs.  Of course, an electric motor is probably about 3x more efficient, so you'd only need 200lbs of batteries...for that same 6lbs of gas.  But, lets say you carry 10 gal of gas on your boat, and we're back up to an extra 1940 lbs the boat would have to carry to be electric instead of gas.  That's a lot of extra buoyancy required, and thus bigger/more motors...and the problem compounds.

[Hards Alumni]

This is true. I'd add that the future is arriving faster in China and Europe than the USA. And maybe has arrived there already.  It is slowly arriving in the USA.

The benefits for big cities and urban areas are too great for EVs adoption to slow down in those areas.

I'd like to see EV tech take over recreational water engines and boats. Kind of crazy how much noise pollution there is on lakes, being an old guy, I like quiet lakes and zen out. I wouldn't mind some kind of a ban on noisy motor boats and wave runners etc. Balancing ones "right" to have fun versus ones "right" to less noise pollution.

Charging times and range are probably more of an issue for those that don't use EVs or have an EV with a range of under 250 miles or so. Otherwise really shouldn't be an issue in my experience, at least for most people. Time saver over all by far. And extremely convenient unless one does long trips often.

In Amsterdam, (just returned) it seemed like more than half the boats on the canals were using electric motors.  While the batteries for them weigh more, if you've ever had to slap an ICE engine on a boat, you know they're not exactly lightweight either.  Five out of six taxi/uber rides were EVs, and the one who was not told us she would be required to switch by 2027. Also, MANY of the cars (In Amsterdam) were extremely small two seaters like this:



Additionally, we rode in a BYD EV from China... It was very nice.

[jesmu84]

Does th

In Amsterdam, (just returned) it seemed like more than half the boats on the canals were using electric motors.  While the batteries for them weigh more, if you've ever had to slap an ICE engine on a boat, you know they're not exactly lightweight either.  Five out of six taxi/uber rides were EVs, and the one who was not told us she would be required to switch by 2027. Also, MANY of the cars (In Amsterdam) were extremely small two seaters like this:



Additionally, we rode in a BYD EV from China... It was very nice.

Is the Amsterdam govt actively punishing EV adoption?

[Hards Alumni]

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Is the Amsterdam govt actively punishing EV adoption?

I know this is rhetorical, but no.  The lady who didn't have the EV had a diesel BMW and wasn't happy about having to switch to EV.  Her arguments were similar to a lot of the concerns that are pushed in the US.  So you know we export our stupidity.

[Shaka Shart]

In Amsterdam, (just returned) it seemed like more than half the boats on the canals were using electric motors.  While the batteries for them weigh more, if you've ever had to slap an ICE engine on a boat, you know they're not exactly lightweight either.  Five out of six taxi/uber rides were EVs, and the one who was not told us she would be required to switch by 2027. Also, MANY of the cars (In Amsterdam) were extremely small two seaters like this:




Additionally, we rode in a BYD EV from China... It was very nice.

[MU82]

America's most famous Tesler owner has put his on the market.

Might be one of the few times a used Tesler actually isn't sold as at a huge loss, as the novelty of owning this one surely will bring a price.

[muwarrior69]

The government is telling you you have to buy a non-chinese car.

You gonna maintain your principled stance?

Where? I have nothing against Chinese cars as long as they meet same regs as all other manufacturers.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/automotive-industry/chinese-made-cars-in-us-market-a3786571662/?msockid=14881e37264362a729020a7f2700636c

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2024/04/28/why-america-remains-a-forbidden-land-for-chinese-carmakers/