O-Max

[Uncle Rico]

I disagree on O-Max. He's showing out now, but the staff has basically seen the same things fans on Twitter and Scoop have seen. He was bad early on and his minutes got justifiably cut. The staff saw the problem and addressed it with fewer minutes. He has played better of late and his minutes have increased. The staff saw the improvement and addressed it with more minutes.

Saying O-Max was bad early on and is playing better now is simply accurate. And looking at his minute totals, the staff saw the exact same thing.

Kolek is different because even when he isn't at his best, the rest of the offense is clearly better with him than without.

Please leave nuance at the door on scoop

[brewcity77]

Please leave nuance at the door on scoop

Probably the correct take, but to elaborate on this (borrowed from Andrei of Paint Touches) Marquette was 6.3 points per 100 possessions worse on offense with O-Max on the floor in November and December. He was not playing well on offense and everyone, staff and fan alike, saw it. In January, Marquette's 17.3 points per 100 better with O-Max on the floor. He's playing well and everyone sees it.

[PGsHeroes32]

I disagree on O-Max. He's showing out now, but the staff has basically seen the same things fans on Twitter and Scoop have seen. He was bad early on and his minutes got justifiably cut. The staff saw the problem and addressed it with fewer minutes. He has played better of late and his minutes have increased. The staff saw the improvement and addressed it with more minutes.

Saying O-Max was bad early on and is playing better now is simply accurate. And looking at his minute totals, the staff saw the exact same thing.

Kolek is different because even when he isn't at his best, the rest of the offense is clearly better with him than without.

The issue with Omax is that some people literally said things like "I have no idea what anyone sees in Omax" or "can't see why Shaka gave him a scholarship"

Did he basically suck for most of the early season? Yes. Did anyone with two eyes notices that? Yes. But anyone that couldn't blatantly see his potential at the same time....was insane. And there were lots of those.

[panda]

Probably the correct take, but to elaborate on this (borrowed from Andrei of Paint Touches) Marquette was 6.3 points per 100 possessions worse on offense with O-Max on the floor in November and December. He was not playing well on offense and everyone, staff and fan alike, saw it. In January, Marquette's 17.3 points per 100 better with O-Max on the floor. He's playing well and everyone sees it.

Yep - it's the correct take to say he wasn't good enough to be on the floor early on and earned his way back. Morsell/Elliott/Jones being out gave him an opportunity and he took full advantage.

[Galway Eagle]

Nice.

Thanks

[brewcity77]

The issue with Omax is that some people literally said things like "I have no idea what anyone sees in Omax" or "can't see why Shaka gave him a scholarship"

Did he basically suck for most of the early season? Yes. Did anyone with two eyes notices that? Yes. But anyone that couldn't blatantly see his potential at the same time....was insane. And there were lots of those.

Scoop is definitely given to overreaction and hyperbole. I was never in that camp, mainly because I saw him in October and thought he was the best player on the floor, so I suspected there was ability there. Also because he's always been a very good defender.

That said, given some of the missed bunnies, poor shot selection, and hands of stone he displayed, I can understand fan frustration. Just the nature of Scoop.

[Goose]

The only time I tend to overreact about players is when it is obvious they just do not have it. Omax was running wild and missing bunnies left and right, but he created the bunnies. It was like when everyone was down on Carlino early on, you did not need to be Coach K to know he was a basketball player and sooner than later it would come together. Omax is a freak IMO, his size and speed is at a very high level.

[MUfan12]

The issue with Omax is that some people literally said things like "I have no idea what anyone sees in Omax" or "can't see why Shaka gave him a scholarship"

Those people only watched him on one end of the floor.

[NolongerWarriors]

It takes some teams awhile to learn how to close and win, regardless of age.  This Marquette team lacks a lot of experience and also lacks experience playing as a team but we are starting to see them come together as a unit.

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

[Tha Hound]

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

[Lighthouse 84]

The team did what they needed to do to win.

Yeah, they eked out the win by only 28 points.    And the game before that by only 32.  Scoring more than the other team is what's needed to do so I suppose you're right though....

[The Sultan]

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

🤡🤡🤡

[Uncle Rico]

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

Dynamite drop, Monty

[tower912]

Way to know your role NLW.

[bilsu]

Yeah, they eked out the win by only 28 points.    And the game before that by only 32.  Scoring more than the other team is what's needed to do so I suppose you're right though....

Georgetown is not a great team to start with. Taking into account that they had covid, missed 18 days of practice and their team captain was out for the game they were ripe to get beat bad by anyone they played.

[Uncle Rico]

Georgetown is not a great team to start with. Taking into account that they had covid, missed 18 days of practice and their team captain was out for the game they were ripe to get beat bad by anyone they played.

Quite true but we've seen too many recent versions of Marquette spit the bit in these kind of games

[MU82]

The issue with Omax is that some people literally said things like "I have no idea what anyone sees in Omax" or "can't see why Shaka gave him a scholarship"

Did he basically suck for most of the early season? Yes. Did anyone with two eyes notices that? Yes. But anyone that couldn't blatantly see his potential at the same time....was insane. And there were lots of those.

This. Sad to see adults calling 18-22-year-old athletes who are working hard and are team players "garbage" and "useless."

"It's just Scoop" isn't very good defense.

And speaking of useless garbage ...

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Quite true but we've seen too many recent versions of Marquette spit the bit in these kind of games

Yes exactly. Gotta keep the train rolling against DePaul on Tuesday, they're an up and coming program with the new regime but they've skidded a bit of late, can't let them get some mo' back

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The issue with Omax is that some people literally said things like "I have no idea what anyone sees in Omax" or "can't see why Shaka gave him a scholarship"

Did he basically suck for most of the early season? Yes. Did anyone with two eyes notices that? Yes. But anyone that couldn't blatantly see his potential at the same time....was insane. And there were lots of those.

All of this,  100%

[Elonsmusk]

I disagree on O-Max. He's showing out now, but the staff has basically seen the same things fans on Twitter and Scoop have seen. He was bad early on and his minutes got justifiably cut. The staff saw the problem and addressed it with fewer minutes. He has played better of late and his minutes have increased. The staff saw the improvement and addressed it with more minutes.

Saying O-Max was bad early on and is playing better now is simply accurate. And looking at his minute totals, the staff saw the exact same thing.

Kolek is different because even when he isn't at his best, the rest of the offense is clearly better with him than without.

Yes, O-Max struggled early but it was evident he had a lot of talent, tools, potential, and we had some posters here questioning Shaka as to why he recruited him, he's not worth a scholarship, etc.  Pretty brutal stuff.  Same with Kolek..some here were suggesting he wasn't a high major caliber guard etc.  It was evident he had a lot of talent, despite struggling with his shooting.

Of course this is a fan site and we all offer opinions, and some will be wrong.  But to attack kids less than 10 games into their Marquette career was pretty bush league and we are better than that. 

[PointWarrior]

Nice turd of a post.  I guess what else can you cling to when you are so biased you can not admit improvements across almost every player as the season progresses.

This team has talent. This team will
add more talent. This team has good coaching, they will play a fun style of basketball.

Maybe go pick another team to follow.

The team did what they needed to do to win.

The coach lost that game by not fouling.

It's possible that one awful coaching decision ends up costing MU an NCAA bid.

[tower912]

Point and I on the same side.   Woot.   NLW is a troll. 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Point and I on the same side.   Woot.   NLW is a troll.

Nah, trolls post just to get others riled up. NLW is just a cowardly hater.

[The Sultan]

Nah, trolls post just to get others riled up. NLW is just a cowardly hater.

He's posted here before. It's very on brand.