Ners is right...

[NersEllenson]

OK fine you don't think he did it intentionally, so that means it is a difference of opinion, Wojo thinks Derrick is the best option, you don't.  Fine.  But it doesn't make him inflexible.

What is another example of him being inflexible?  Other than Derrick?

I'm out on this one Eng.  I generally find your posts pretty solid and intelligent, but can't find a middle ground with you on this one.  I'm just baffled on how you aren't seeing Wojo playing Derrick 30+ at PG WHILE WE CONTINUE TO LOSE AND TUMBLE IN THE OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS - while also having Duane and Carlino on the roster - isn't being inflexible.

[willie warrior]

Agree with 1,2,3, and 8. Not sure how JJJ is 4. He has the worst three point percentage and overall shooting percentage on the team, and also commits the most TO's per 40 mins.

OK, some can be shuffled around. Point is: the eighth of 8 does not deserve 35 minutes per game.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Not really I just was supporting Mr. Ners analysis.

I think I've finally figured out who Texas Western is.  He is always around to support and protect Mr. Ners, no matter how outlandish some of his opinions are.  There is also clearly an unspoken and uncomfortable (for us) love between them.     

[connie]

OK fine you don't think he did it intentionally, so that means it is a difference of opinion, Wojo thinks Derrick is the best option, you don't.  Fine.  But it doesn't make him inflexible.

What is another example of him being inflexible?  Other than Derrick?

'03, no matter how hard or what strategy you try this windmill just isn't going to fall.

See, every Ners-dominated thread for the past 15 months.

[GooooMarquette]

You tried to argue that Wojo showed flexibility by NOT starting Derrick (and Duane) to start the season.  Please point out where I ever said Duane was injured??  Your point was irrelevant about Wojo NOT starting Derrick - because he was injured.  As soon as he was back at full strength - he got 35 minutes against UNO.

And FYI - Games are different entities.  And if you ridiculously believe shooting 2-8 on the road against a Top 20 team, and then missing your FIRST shot against UNO (while getting 1 steal and 1 blocked shot in 9 minutes) is grounds for a benching - well - it is pointless to engage in a discussion with you.

Reread my post:  I never said you claimed Duane was injured.   My initial point didn't have Duane in parentheses, because I was using both Derrick and Duane as examples of how Wojo isn't "inflexible." You only addressed Derrick but ignored Duane, so I reiterated Duane as a reminder of how you cherry pick in your replies.  

Derrick was partially injured, but still able to play (19 minutes against OSU); Duane was healthy.  Wojo could have started either or both, but he chose to start JJJ and Sandy.

As for JJJ starting then getting benched - he'd had an awful game against OSU, but Wojo game him and Sandy the nod against Omaha.  He took him out after missing a shot, and may well have intended to give him another chance if Derrick and/or Duane played poorly.  But Derick had 17 pts, 3 rebs and 5 asts; while Duane had 15 pts, 2 asts and 2 steals.  So JJJ got pulled at the first timeout, but got kept out most of the rest of the way because the guys who had previously been backups stepped up when given the chance.

There have been plenty of opportunities for JJJ to take back his starting spot since then - Derrick's lackluster play, Matt's injury - but he hasn't capitalized on his opportunities.  His last two games, he has shot 4-14 against Xavier in 36 minutes, and 1-7 against Creighton in 31 minutes.  Plenty of chances, poor results.  I suspect his minutes will fade once Matt returns.

You find it pointless to engage in a discussion with me because you refuse to look at the whole picture.

[GGGG]

Reread my post:  I never said you claimed Duane was injured.   My initial point didn't have Duane in parentheses, because I was using both Derrick and Duane as examples of how Wojo isn't "inflexible." You only addressed Derrick but ignored Duane, so I reiterated Duane as a reminder of how you cherry pick in your replies. 

Derrick was partially injured, but still able to play (19 minutes against OSU); Duane was healthy.  Wojo could have started either or both, but he chose to start JJJ and Sandy.

As for JJJ starting then getting benched - he'd had an awful game against OSU, but Wojo game him and Sandy the nod against Omaha.  He took him out after missing a shot, and may well have intended to give him another chance if Derrick and/or Duane played poorly.  But Derick had 17 pts, 3 rebs and 5 asts; while Duane had 15 pts, 2 asts and 2 steals.  So JJJ got pulled at the first timeout, but got kept out most of the rest of the way because the guys who had previously been backups stepped up when given the chance.

There have been plenty of opportunities for JJJ to take back his starting spot since then - Derrick's lackluster play, Matt's injury - but he hasn't capitalized on his opportunities.  His last two games, he has shot 4-14 against Xavier in 36 minutes, and 1-7 against Creighton in 31 minutes.  Plenty of chances, poor results.  I suspect his minutes will fade once Matt returns.

You find it pointless to engage in a discussion with me because you refuse to look at the whole picture.

It's worse than that.

When JJJ has turned it around to have a few good games after his benching @Xavier and taking minutes at largely Sandy's expense, people have brought it up as an example of how Wojo could be flexible.

But Ners doesn't see it that way.  Ners doesn't think this was the result of a coaching method getting through to a player.  Ners sees it that JJJ finally forced Wojo to bend to his will and play him more minutes.

So put another way - when the player is played spotty minutes due to poor performance, it's because the coach is playing mind games and is "inflexible."  But when the player responds, its not due to the coach holding a player to a certain standard and the player meeting that standard.  It's due to the player and the player only.

[mu03eng]

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[NersEllenson]

It's worse than that.

When JJJ has turned it around to have a few good games after his benching @Xavier and taking minutes at largely Sandy's expense, people have brought it up as an example of how Wojo could be flexible.

But Ners doesn't see it that way.  Ners doesn't think this was the result of a coaching method getting through to a player.  Ners sees it that JJJ finally forced Wojo to bend to his will and play him more minutes.

So put another way - when the player is played spotty minutes due to poor performance, it's because the coach is playing mind games and is "inflexible."  But when the player responds, its not due to the coach holding a player to a certain standard and the player meeting that standard.  It's due to the player and the player only.

LOL - Except when you have 6 previous games to the Xavier benching where JJJ plays 25+ minutes and his averages are 13/4/3/2, all of a sudden him performing similarly after the Xavier benching were a byproduct of the benching?  LOL.  But furthermore, after the benching JJJ got a whopping 12, 15, 7, 17 minutes and then 22 in the blowout against Nova.  Wojo HAD to play JJJ 30+ once Carlino got hurt - wasn't anything more to it.

The only people with narratives here are you and the other 10 or so people who consistently and blindly back the sh$t out of Buzz last year, Wojo this year, and Derrick these past two seasons. 

[connie]

The only people with narratives here are you and the other 10 or so people who consistently and blindly back the sh$t out of Buzz last year, Wojo this year, and Derrick these past two seasons. 

Here we go again:  Everyone that fits this description stand on your head!

Folks, its time to let this go.  The shared delusion we have all been sucked into must end. 

Goodnight, and may God have mercy on your poor souls.

[GOO]

Here we go again:  Everyone that fits this description stand on your head!

Folks, its time to let this go.  The shared delusion we have all been sucked into must end.  

Goodnight, and may God have mercy on your poor souls.

Deleted.  I don't want to become another enabler of Ners.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Well, for a while there we were all sort of getting along.

Now it's gone off of the rails.

Happy trails, bros. I don't have anything constructive to add at this point.

Enjoy.

[jesmu84]

It's worse than that.

When JJJ has turned it around to have a few good games after his benching @Xavier and taking minutes at largely Sandy's expense, people have brought it up as an example of how Wojo could be flexible.

But Ners doesn't see it that way.  Ners doesn't think this was the result of a coaching method getting through to a player.  Ners sees it that JJJ finally forced Wojo to bend to his will and play him more minutes.

So put another way - when the player is played spotty minutes due to poor performance, it's because the coach is playing mind games and is "inflexible."  But when the player responds, its not due to the coach holding a player to a certain standard and the player meeting that standard.  It's due to the player and the player only.

So what is it when the player is NOT playing spotty minutes and still has a poor performance?

[ATL MU Warrior]

So what is it when the player is NOT playing spotty minutes and still has a poor performance?

Our team this year.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm out on this one Eng.  I generally find your posts pretty solid and intelligent, but can't find a middle ground with you on this one.  I'm just baffled on how you aren't seeing Wojo playing Derrick 30+ at PG WHILE WE CONTINUE TO LOSE AND TUMBLE IN THE OFFENSIVE EFFICIENCY RATINGS - while also having Duane and Carlino on the roster - isn't being inflexible.

Wojo has been willing to flex every players minutes. Besides Dawson, every player has gotten a game with at least 26 minutes or more. Every player has also had games of 21 minutes or less. If players perform, they play. Its really quite simple. Hell, Wojo is more flexible than Buzz ever was.

That being said, Wojo's unwillingness to try Duane at the point for longer than a literal minute is one decision I don't agree with. He is better off the ball, but he, at least to my untrained eye, has all the necessary skills to at least hold down the point. However, I trust Wojo's experience enough to trust that he is making the right decision.

I know you like to use our record as proof for your points. All our record proves is that what were doing now will lead us to a losing record. That doesn't prove anything about what a different roster would do. A different roster could do worse. A different roster probably would do worse given that they can't take playing time from the roster we're currently running.