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Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 07, 2014, 11:30:47 AM

But why don't you mention Duane's 1-8 shooting?  Or Juan's 1-7?  Both of them resulted in more "empty possessions" than Derrick.

+100. This is what always drives me crazy. People knee jerk react and automatically blame one player for everything. There is always plenty of blame to go around.  A loss can almost never be blamed on one player.
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madtownwarrior

other than Duane and Juan have shown the ability to actually score and need to be defended...

plenty of blame for the Wisconsin game to go around - it's just that we should not allow our "Caretaker PG" to be an option in the offense....



Quote from: The Sultan of Sunshine on December 07, 2014, 11:30:47 AM

Well you are assuming that we didn't grab an offensive rebound and eventually score on any of those.

But why don't you mention Duane's 1-8 shooting?  Or Juan's 1-7?  Both of them resulted in more "empty possessions" than Derrick.

brandx

Quote from: madtownwarrior on December 07, 2014, 01:52:26 PM
other than Duane and Juan have shown the ability to actually score and need to be defended...

plenty of blame for the Wisconsin game to go around - it's just that we should not allow our "Caretaker PG" to be an option in the offense....



Why does there need to be "blame"? We were highly competitive against the #2 team in the country with an undermanned squad.

Lighthouse 84

Just got back from Milwaukee after going to the game.  My thought during the game was, why doesn't UW pound the ball inside and let their bigs have their way?  But each time the ball went in to Kaminsky, he'd dump it back out.  Credit MU's collapsing zone?  Or just poor execution by UW? 

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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 07, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
Just got back from Milwaukee after going to the game.  My thought during the game was, why doesn't UW pound the ball inside and let their bigs have their way?  But each time the ball went in to Kaminsky, he'd dump it back out.  Credit MU's collapsing zone?  Or just poor execution by UW? 

By the way...for the money, Brewhouse Inns and Suites is a great place for a bunch o' people to stay. 

I talked to Sandy and John last night. They kept saying that Kaminsky is really soft.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 07, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
I talked to Sandy and John last night. They kept saying that Kaminsky is really soft.

Who's John?


MU82

Quote from: ChitownJuan on December 07, 2014, 04:18:36 PM
Dawson...?

Ummmm ... the only thing Dawson personally witnessed being soft Saturday was the seat under his rump.

He is in no position to be ripping an All-American.

Not that Sandy is, either, but at least he got to stretch his legs a few times.
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Dr. Blackheart

From Statsheet and over the past 18 seasons:

The 32.7% Floor Percentage ("Floor percentage is the fraction of a team's or individual possessions on which there is a scoring possession." Dean Oliver) was the lowest game in the Statistcal Age.

The 53 possessions was the third lowest game. 

The PPP was 7th lowest at 0.72 tied with the Syracuse Elite 8 stinker. The 1st half was the fourth lowest scoring MU half (either half). The offensive rebounding % was the 10th lowest game (15.6%). Even though MU won the turnover war, MU lost points off of turnovers 16-4.  That's was the game.

MU is 347th for offensive rebounding rate and 241st defensively. With limited possessions and the inability to convert or extend your own possessions while allowing your opponent multiple chances, that is simply a narrow margin. Luke can only help here. Too many times, UW had two, three, four cracks at scoring during each trip down the court. Add in Carlino's five turnovers as he was the only option, the UW talent and experience won out despite a great Wojo defensive gameplan and team effort.

bilsu

Carlino was the biggest scorer, but I felt he was the one that cost us a chance of winning. I deleted the game without rewatching it, but in my selective memory he was the one that blew the game when we got close. I remembering him taking a very poor quick three that was not even close and turning the ball over a couple of times. He also did that in the first half. Sure the other players missed close shots, but they were following the game plan.

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Quote from: bilsu on December 08, 2014, 01:49:22 PM
Carlino was the biggest scorer, but I felt he was the one that cost us a chance of winning. I deleted the game without rewatching it, but in my selective memory he was the one that blew the game when we got close. I remembering him taking a very poor quick three that was not even close and turning the ball over a couple of times. He also did that in the first half. Sure the other players missed close shots, but they were following the game plan.

Carlino earns a very long leash when he's scoring almost half your teams points while shooting over 50% from the field.  While he definitely wasn't perfect in the final minutes, those final minutes wouldn't have mattered had he not came to play for the rest of the game.

Lennys Tap

Hate to be a downer but even though we hung in there and played hard the game shouldn't have been close. Our defense was good, but UW missed a much higher than normal share of open shots. There defense was stifling - with very few exceptions we shot an assortment of out of control runners/drives and contested 3s. They got a lot of good shots, we didn't. Given normal shooting (considering the shots degrees of difficulty) we should have lost by 20+.

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Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 07, 2014, 02:40:05 PM
Just got back from Milwaukee after going to the game.  My thought during the game was, why doesn't UW pound the ball inside and let their bigs have their way?  But each time the ball went in to Kaminsky, he'd dump it back out.  Credit MU's collapsing zone?  Or just poor execution by UW? 

By the way...for the money, Brewhouse Inns and Suites is a great place for a bunch o' people to stay. 

They have done a great job with the Brewhouse.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2014, 03:30:16 PM
Hate to be a downer but even though we hung in there and played hard the game shouldn't have been close. Our defense was good, but UW missed a much higher than normal share of open shots. There defense was stifling - with very few exceptions we shot an assortment of out of control runners/drives and contested 3s. They got a lot of good shots, we didn't. Given normal shooting (considering the shots degrees of difficulty) we should have lost by 20+.

I mostly agree but to a point. MU, Juan and Du in particular, passed up a lot of open threes or should have pulled up for open twos. Bo wasn't going to let Carlino free and he wasn't going to let MU to the rim.  Shots were there but MU passed on them.

On defense, Duke zoned Bucky too--a rare occurrence.  Brust opened up a lot last year for that offense and Kaminsky was having trouble posting up in both games.  Gasser saved them vs. MU.  Bo needs to let him shoot more.

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