Has Brent Seem His Reputation Dive After 21 Days?

[tower912]

Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

[Silkk the Shaka]

Yes Buzz Lover/defender/Apologist/Slurper. I stand by it. Initially he did not want to RS, but was forced to by Buzz not playing him and other frosh. What else would you have him say now.

We could have used him for the last 20 or so games--and he would have been a hell of a better option than the shotless PG that Buzz insisted on ramming down everybody's throat. And I wouldn't expect a Buzz Boy to even consider this while wearing the blinders.

And speaking of morons, numbskull, always start the name calling of others that do not agree with you. But I defer to your professed superior intellect, which I am convinced has taken you far in your quest.

If Duane regretted redshirting and felt he was "forced into it," he would have said so after Buzz was gone. He, in fact, said 180 degrees the opposite. Yet you continue to cling to a false narrative. Hysterical. Additionally, I did not approve of Derrick Wilson's copious minutes allotment and posted that several times during the season (not nearly as much as Ners did, obviously, but I agreed with him nonetheless - some of my quotes re: Derrick for your perusal at that bottom of this post). Regardless, that has nothing to do with Duane's decision to redshirt.

My official position re: Buzz is that I loved him while he was here, thought he did an excellent job for the first 5 years and was quite entertaining to boot, something was clearly off this year, and his leaving will likely be better off for both parties. I don't wish him ill-will, but I certainly hope he does not ever have a better single season at VT or elsewhere than he does at MU. You will not catch me jumping in to defend him 30 times/day (often at the expense of the current HC), unlike a few posters did on TC's behalf. That takes a special brand of twisted sycophancy that I cannot even fathom. Not to mention it would be a gigantic waste of one's time at best and potentially damaging to the current regime's reputation at worst. Neither end of that spectrum is remotely appealing or productive.

BTW, the term "slurper" has to be the worst contribution in this board's history. With that, I will give you the final word should you choose to continue to spew your thougthless garbage complete with a complete lack of actual basketball analysis.

This is what I think Derrick is perfect for. 8-12 minutes a night holding serve and harassing/tiring out the opponent's PG. No obligation/pressure to score or initiate offense. Just do what you're good at all out for short stints then back to the bench. I think he's more comfortable in that role as well. And he's such a smart & unselfish guy that I wouldn't be shocked in the least if he proposed this to Buzz himself.

(...it came out later that Derrick actually did propose that to Buzz in the GTown game)

Extrapolating Dawson's short stints are worthless. He looked shaky early against GTown but settled in when Buzz didn't pull him and looked very good the rest of the way. That's part of the reason why Ners was right. He needs extended playing time to show his worth. The two times that has happened in conference play - @X and @GTown - both he and the team have performed well during his time on the court.

Flip the PG minutes to 27 for Dawson & 13 for Derrick (no way that game goes to OT otherwise) and we win by 5+ in regulation. As with @GTown, That was a good matchup for John, bad matchup for Derrick. John was feeling it, Derrick wasn't. C'est la vie. Hope things shake out differently next year at the position.

Edit to clarify: I like Derrick and think he has a role on this team. I just think it should be more of an Otule role, with Dawson/Duane/Fillintheblank playing a Davante role. I think Derrick would relish the thought of coming in for 8-12 minutes and harassing the opposition's PG on D, making hustle plays, etc. without having to be relied on to generate any offense whatsoever, wearing out the other PG for the Davante-PG to take advantage of when he comes back in. That role has value. He is miscast as a 30+ mpg PG right now.

I also think he could be the team leader in that role by being vocal at practice and giving max effort at all times. It doesn't need to be that it equates to 30+ mpg on the floor in game time.

Exactly. That has been the familiar stat line for far too many of the opposition's PGs this year in a loss we could have won. If you're going to be a defensive specialist for 30+ minutes, you need to have games where you completely shut down your man. It doesn't matter how hard he has to work for his points if he still ends up scoring/distributing in the end.

[Skatastrophy]

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[NersEllenson]

Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

So long as Buzz doesn't have some grudge against admin, donors, and develops a thicker skin - he should be okay.  His "I'll show you what you are going to get if you will only let me recruit certain types of players," approach that he took last year won't get him very far.  It has come out from well placed sources that his frustration over the Malek Harris admittance as well as some of the JUCO question marks with regard to admission - led to him rolling out the high character lineup he sent out last season - largely to say...if you won't let me recruit my kinds of players, this is what you are going to get.  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule....I won't play Todd many minutes or as many as he deserves as he's had some character question marks...don't care about developing the freshman...because I'm gone after the season is over any way...

The above is the explanation as Buzz's coaching moves/motivations last season...and also reflected why he suddenly turned into an awful coach - when he'd demonstrated good coaching skills the 5 years prior.   

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led to him rolling out the high character lineup he sent out last season - largely to say...if you won't let me recruit my kinds of players, this is what you are going to get.  Derrick, Jake, Juan, Jamil, Otule....

+1.

Best part being that I wouldn't put Juan into a 'high character' category.

[WadeATKBurton]

Buzz can coach.   The two questions are this.    Can he recruit/coach well enough to make VT successful in the ACC?    And, how long will he be there?

Breny CAN'T coach. This past year proved it! He is NOT gonna do good in the ACC. I GUARANTEE IT

[Wojo'sMojo]

Hey willie, are you still clinging to that narrative that Buzz forced Duane to redshirt and that he's pissed about it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpSnVQWxTM0

Please see the 1:00 to 1:10 mark. This is unprovoked, he just brings it up himself that he respects Buzz for advising him to go that route.

Buzz made a dumb decision to leave MU. We will be fine, Buzz may or may not be. However, you have to be one of the biggest morons I've ever come across. Congrats, have a great day!

I thought it was interesting when Taylor said Brent was either going to take scholarships, or he was gonna be leaving. It makes it seem like there was a rift between certain players and Brent. I wonder how many of these players really liked Buzz. It seems like none of the players was very sad about him leaving and maybe had grown tired of his act.

[tower912]

139-67, 69-39, S-16 S-16 E-8 say he can coach.   This past season is clearly the outlier.  And it wasn't fun.    If he is happier elsewhere....best of luck.   Probably best for all involved if his heart wasn't in MU.     But to say he can't coach is just dumb.  

[willie warrior]

If Duane regretted redshirting and felt he was "forced into it," he would have said so after Buzz was gone. He, in fact, said 180 degrees the opposite. Yet you continue to cling to a false narrative. Hysterical. Additionally, I did not approve of Derrick Wilson's copious minutes allotment and posted that several times during the season (not nearly as much as Ners did, obviously, but I agreed with him nonetheless - some of my quotes re: Derrick for your perusal at that bottom of this post). Regardless, that has nothing to do with Duane's decision to redshirt.

My official position re: Buzz is that I loved him while he was here, thought he did an excellent job for the first 5 years and was quite entertaining to boot, something was clearly off this year, and his leaving will likely be better off for both parties. I don't wish him ill-will, but I certainly hope he does not ever have a better single season at VT or elsewhere than he does at MU. You will not catch me jumping in to defend him 30 times/day (often at the expense of the current HC), unlike a few posters did on TC's behalf. That takes a special brand of twisted sycophancy that I cannot even fathom. Not to mention it would be a gigantic waste of one's time at best and potentially damaging to the current regime's reputation at worst. Neither end of that spectrum is remotely appealing or productive.

BTW, the term "slurper" has to be the worst contribution in this board's history. With that, I will give you the final word should you choose to continue to spew your thougthless garbage complete with a complete lack of actual basketball analysis.


(...it came out later that Derrick actually did propose that to Buzz in the GTown game)

Final thought for the day:
I will surpasss your garbage basketball knowledge any time any day, even though you "think" more than I do.
I love the self serving people that think their knowledge is so superior to others. Maybe you can become "King of the World". Oops, sorry, in your mind you are. Keep patting your supreme brain on the back, because we love how you praise your own intellect. Truly amusing. And you are wrong about slurper being the worst contribution on this board. Yeah, I used it but others picked it up and used it. The worst contributions on this board are the ones that come from Bananaman.
You know what they say about people that cannot stand opinions of others--they are the biggest table pounders who call names--which fits your MO to a T. Mr. Tolerance: Bananaman.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.

The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

[Silkk the Shaka]

I thought it was interesting when Taylor said Brent was either going to take scholarships, or he was gonna be leaving. It makes it seem like there was a rift between certain players and Brent. I wonder how many of these players really liked Buzz. It seems like none of the players was very sad about him leaving and maybe had grown tired of his act.

Haha yeah I DEFINITELY got that from Steve's answer. I think Ners' explanation above (re: Buzz' disagreements with the admin and how he chose to deal with it) manifested itself horribly on the court and with team dynamics/player relationships. As I said, his leaving will probably be best for both parties, there certainly seemed to be some irrevocable differences that resulted from this past season. Onward and upward! We are a better program than VT and always will be. No sweat off my sack.

[WadeATKBurton]

139-67, 69-39, S-16 S-16 E-8 say he can coach.   This past season is clearly the outlier.  And it wasn't fun.    If he is happier elsewhere....best of luck.   Probably best for all involved if his heart wasn't in MU.     But to say he can't coach is just dumb.  

Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

[ATWizJr]

Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

Are we talking about his flaws or whether or not he can coach?  The record would seem otherwise and I'm not a fan of his.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

God I'm embarrassed. The 2nd best coach we've had in program history can't coach! We must be a terrible program! How do we even show our faces around the other D1 programs?

[GooooMarquette]

Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.
The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

+1

[tower912]

Man u are such a Brent slurper its not even funny. All the flaws the guy has and you cant even see them

I don't hold grudges.   I didn't hold one against Crean either, though it is fun to poke at Chicos.    You can't put up the numbers he did if you can't coach.   You can't be on every team's short list if no one thinks you can coach.   To argue that his body of work, all 6 seasons, not just the last one, indicates that he cannot coach is just dumb.   No other way to put it.   It is flat-earth dumb to argue that he cannot coach.    Don't like him?   Fine.   Glad he's gone?   No problem.    Think that he phoned in last season?   Go with it.  He is a lousy coach?     Stupid.   

[Skatastrophy]

I don't hold grudges.   I didn't hold one against Crean either, though it is fun to poke at Chicos.    You can't put up the numbers he did if you can't coach.   You can't be on every team's short list if no one thinks you can coach.   To argue that his body of work, all 6 seasons, not just the last one, indicates that he cannot coach is just dumb.   No other way to put it.   It is flat-earth dumb to argue that he cannot coach.    Don't like him?   Fine.   Glad he's gone?   No problem.    Think that he phoned in last season?   Go with it.  He is a lousy coach?     Stupid.   

+1

We were lucky to have our last two coaches.

We'll be lucky if Wojo is as successful as either of our last two coaches.

[tower912]

Agreed, Skatastrophy.   I am cautiously optimistic that CoWojo can keep building the program.    He has certainly done many good things early.   But I am waiting to see if he can land Hill, who he will be able to get to replace Pierce and Shayok, and I kind of want to see him coach a real game before I go all in.   

[Silkk the Shaka]

Agreed, Skatastrophy.   I am cautiously optimistic that CoWojo can keep building the program.    He has certainly done many good things early.   But I am waiting to see if he can land Hill, who he will be able to get to replace Pierce and Shayok, and I kind of want to see him coach a real game before I go all in.   

Samesies bro.

[brandx]

Willie,

I will point out for at least the 7th time that the only time the "slurpers" come out to defend Buzz is when you make posts calling out the slurpers.

We have moved on. We are happily slurping Wojo now. We are also content with Buzz being gone.

The only one bringing up "El Buzzo" is you.

Let it go, and he will slip off into the sunset just like you want him to.

TAMU,
Just wanted to tell you how much better the forum experience has been since putting Willie on Ignore.