Has Brent Seem His Reputation Dive After 21 Days?

[Tugg Speedman]

As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

[T-Bone]

Let's hope we never compare our program to the likes of VaTech.

[nathanziarek]

Every once in a while I check the MUHoops "Future Players" Twitter list, and noticed a few days ago that Malek's avatar had changed to the VT logo. When I read this post, I headed back to grab a screenshot for you, but it's changed to just a picture of him.

I'm not going to read into the mind of a teenager—maybe he changes his avatar every two days 'cause that's the cool thing to do—just thought it was interesting.

[Tugg Speedman]

Every once in a while I check the MUHoops "Future Players" Twitter list, and noticed a few days ago that Malek's avatar had changed to the VT logo. When I read this post, I headed back to grab a screenshot for you, but it's changed to just a picture of him.

I'm not going to read into the mind of a teenager—maybe he changes his avatar every two days 'cause that's the cool thing to do—just thought it was interesting.

Why hasn't Malek announced he's going to VT?  You know Brent and VT would love, absolutely love, to brag to the world we signed Brent and immediately a top 100 kid is coming.

Like I said, VT is his safety school.

[hairy worthen]

Its too early to make any determination right now. By the end of next month, MU may lose 2 existing players and 2 or 3 recruits. Brett may sway some recruits his way including Harris and Hill. On the other hand maybe the reverse happens as suggested. Just too early to tell right now.

If I were to guess, I would say Brett's act wears thin in a hurry and he starts getting a reputation as a nut case. He is no longer Marquette's problem, so I really don't care what he does.

[avid1010]

Why hasn't Malek announced he's going to VT?  You know Brent and VT would love, absolutely love, to brag to the world we signed Brent and immediately a top 100 kid is coming.

Like I said, VT is his safety school.

you act as if you know this is true.

[TheTulsaWarrior]

Williams has always been able to recruit and I doubt that will stop.  He has limited scholarship and is being careful.  I suspect priority one is the JUCO, from Oklahoma, Willie Atwood.  Buzz and VPI are in for some challenges.

So far I'm delighted with the energy, exposure and name recognition Coach Wojo has brought to the job.  It should be interesting to see how the NLI situation plays out.  It's probably the toughest assignment any new coach faces and it comes relatively late in the recruiting process.

Marquette fans should thank Buzz for a couple of things -- five exciting years of basketball and for giving us all something to talk about in this off season.  Things would be pretty boring otherwise.

[TheBurrEffect]

I wouldn't look into VT losing players, it happens all the time with coaching changes. Buzz may have straight up told the recruits that he had zero need of them and to look elsewhere.

[SERocks]

What I wonder is how many days until Brett regrets his decision...if he hasn't already.

[Tugg Speedman]

What I wonder is how many days until Brett regrets his decision...if he hasn't already.

My guess ...

Leaving MU, no
Going to VT, maybe

[rocky_warrior]

My guess ...

Leaving MU, no
Going to VT, maybe

Agreed.  And it would probably only take 1 commercial flight to really miss how things used to be.

[MURFC]

I wouldn't look into VT losing players, it happens all the time with coaching changes. Buzz may have straight up told the recruits that he had zero need of them and to look elsewhere.

Isn't that the point of the thread...Wojo is the new coach and he has not lost any current players thus far.  On flip side, Buzz has lost existing players.  

Anyway, too early to evaluate IMO.  Let's check back on this in a month and we will be able to tell.

[MUfan12]

Why are we worried about this, again? And why on earth would attrition after a coaching change be held against the incoming coach?

It's past time to move on. Unless Buzz snags one of MU's recruits, there's really no reason to discuss him or VT on here.

[avid1010]

Isn't that the point of the thread...Wojo is the new coach and he has not lost any current players thus far.  On flip side, Buzz has lost existing players.  

Anyway, too early to evaluate IMO.  Let's check back on this in a month and we will be able to tell.

wojo doesn't want to lose any players...buzz probably does.  i'm thinking buzz can upgrade on what it current at VT, especially if he has free reigns on juco's and other "questionable" recruits.

[Skatastrophy]

I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

[bilsu]

Mu generally does not annouce transfers until their grades are in. Having said that, I am not expecting any transfers.

[Tugg Speedman]

Mu generally does not annouce transfers until their grades are in. Having said that, I am not expecting any transfers.

MU does announce until grades are in, but the player transferring will announce his intentions long before that.

So far none have.

[MU Beaver]

As of this writing (early April 11) ...

Overview of MU

Wojo has been the Head Coach for 11 days.

No existing player has transferred (yet?).
No signed recruit has ask out of their NLI (yet?).  

If Brett stayed would this have been the case as of April 11?  I would argue no.  At least two players would have transferred.


Overview of VT

Brent has been the Head Coach for 21 days.

Bert has lost arguably his best player ... 6'11" Freshmen Trevor Thompson announced he is going to transfer
Brent has lost two signed VT recruits as they have asked for their release.

What It Means ...

Brent lost three players and, again as of this writing, no existing MU player or MU signed recruit seems interested in following Brent to VT.  Even Malek Harris, does not seem to be thrilled to go to VT as Malek has had 21 days to announce he going to follow Brent to VT.  He still may go to VT but at this point it is becoming apparent VT is Malek's "Safety School."

Fans of VT have to be concerned, when Thompson signed with a VT, they were a last place team.  They finished in last place this year.  VT hired a "Big Name" coach for a ton of money and their best player bails out.  Recruits that signed with a last place team are also bailing on a perceived "major upgrade" in coaching.  Finally, the great recruiter cannot lure ANYONE from his last stop (MU) to VT, not an existing player and not a recruit.

Meanwhile Wojo with a career 0 - 0 record seems to (again seems to) be keeping everyone at MU, has gotten Chief Cohen to recommit, gotten Noskowiak  to put MU at the top of his list again and has Ahmed Hill unsure about what to do (he has not flatly rejected Wojo after 11 days).

It seems as if everyone is responding to Wojo as the big name big reputation coach and Brent as the unknown assistant that is a big risk.

Am I too early in these observations or is their something here?

1) Thompson wasn't their best player. He in fact barely played last year. The reason the kid asked out and BUzz allowed him out was that Buzz saw him play at St. John's Military academy and wasn't impressed. They have never liked eachother.
2) The only 2 players that committed that were any good, top 100-110 guys, are both still committed to VTECH and are pumped to play for him. So he actually was able to cut crappy committed players and go after Juco studs and 2 top 100 uncommitted players that now have v-tech in their top 3
3) Buzz has offered 2 of the top 5 Juco Big Men in the country and will most likely get them like he got DJO and Crowder.
4) Unlike WOJO, Buzz is taking over a loser program so it is very hard to compare what WOJO has kept and what Buzz has lost but based on where the two programs were a few weeks back they are both looking UP.
5) I think WOJO will rock our world. I am sold on the guy. He clearly knows what to say to recruits to get them jacked and he is saying something to the kids we have here. Buzz landed a top 10 class last year and a top 15 class this year for MU if WOJO can add a 5 star a year on top of the 4 stars BUZZ was landing we will be in great shape for a long long time.
So to answer your question.... No Buzz hasn't lost his reputation after 21 days. It is the same as it was here. Wojo however is making a great name for himself!!

[Tugg Speedman]

1) Thompson wasn't their best player. He in fact barely played last year. The reason the kid asked out and BUzz allowed him out was that Buzz saw him play at St. John's Military academy and wasn't impressed. They have never liked eachother.

Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

How is this barely played?

[MU Beaver]

Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

He averaged 16 minutes and 5 points a game. Buzz hates him and he hates buzz. Read the VTECH blogs this was not a shock.
How is this barely played?

[MU Beaver]

Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds






How is this barely played?

Buzz offered JUCO the day he released Thompson:
JUCO power forward Willie Atwood, who was offered by Williams March 22, the day which Thompson was given his release. Atwood, who is listed as a small forward on other sites, is rated as a 4-star player by 247 and ranked as the No. 6 overall JUCO player in the nation and the No. 3 JUCO power forward nationally.

[Dawson Rental]

Huh?

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/66295/trevor-thompson

Remember he was a freshman.  Look at his last six games of the season, which includes Duke and UNC

Average
28 minutes
8 points
6 rebounds

How is this barely played?

I notice that you are wisely debating a extraneous weak point made by The Beaver.  His overall point that Thompson was not VT's best player is still true however.  He wasn't even VT's best freshman, Ben Emelogu was.  That said, Thompson was either VT's third or maybe second best player according to the VT article on his transfer. The Beaver's other point that Thompson was Buzz cut also is counter to your argument and true according to the VT article on his transfer.

[Coleman]

SUPERBAR

[Lennys Tap]

I'm not in the "It takes 5 (or more) years to judge a coach" club but it probably should take more than three weeks. Everything I read indicated Buzz was very much OK with Thompson leaving. Time will tell if he was right.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I swear. You are the guys that get into dick-measuring contests with your ex's new boyfriends.

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