Chad Ford on Vander (new)

[Aughnanure]

Where are you getting those numbers?  Statsheet has FG and 3FG, so I computed 2FG%.

Vander's junior year vs. DJO's Senior year 2fg%:
Vander: 52.8% .. DJO 49.3%.  

Both numbers are great, but separated by 3.5, not 14 points.  

Thank you. I was trying to find that. For a person shooting 70 more times, thats nothing.

Again, I'm not even trying to argue DJO is/was a better pro-prospect- but that calling Blue a significantly better mid-range shooter is ridiculous considering he scored considerably less and was much less efficient his whole career.

[joe pop]

Vander is not even close to where DJO was his last year at Marquette.  Athletically, Vander isnt as quick and cannot shoot nearly as well.  Look at their form, thats all you need to know about whos a better jumpshooter

[Aughnanure]

Vander is not even close to where DJO was his last year at Marquette.  Athletically, Vander isnt as quick and cannot shoot nearly as well.  Look at their form, thats all you need to know about whos a better jumpshooter

Not sure about the quickness and athleticism. Vander has the better shot at staying in the NBA, but that doesn't mean its a good shot.

[GGGG]

Vander is not even close to where DJO was his last year at Marquette.  Athletically, Vander isnt as quick and cannot shoot nearly as well.  Look at their form, thats all you need to know about whos a better jumpshooter

Vander is much quicker than DJO.  And DJO only had a better last year if you only judge a player on his ability to make jump shots.

[bilsu]

Vander is much quicker than DJO.  And DJO only had a better last year if you only judge a player on his ability to make jump shots.

Vander is quicker, but not much quicker. DJO is stronger and a better leaper. DJO his senior year was a slow starter. He often did not score much, if at all, in the frist 7 minutes of the game. He also did not do well against bigger stronger guards in college, which is all he was going to face in NBA. Blue will have the same problem, because his game depends on him being more athletic than his opponents and in most cases he will not be more athletic than his opponents and will be slightly undersized.

[MU82]

Vander is quicker, but not much quicker. DJO is stronger and a better leaper. DJO his senior year was a slow starter. He often did not score much, if at all, in the frist 7 minutes of the game. He also did not do well against bigger stronger guards in college, which is all he was going to face in NBA. Blue will have the same problem, because his game depends on him being more athletic than his opponents and in most cases he will not be more athletic than his opponents and will be slightly undersized.

This is what a lot of college fans don't factor in when looking ahead to the draft. We see "our guys" without recognizing that there are lots of darn good other guys out there. Yes, even in a "down year" for the draft.

I remember Dee Brown's draft year. Many Illinois fans thought he would make it as a pro because he was so quick. They failed to realize that the vast majority of NBA guards are super quick. Heck, lots of NBA power forwards are as quick as good college guards. So a guy Brown's size needed to have more than that going for him. He didn't.

Vander's athletic ability carried him at Marquette. He was able to beat Davidson because he was quicker than the guy guarding him on that drive. In the NBA, he will be defended by guys every bit as athletic as he is -- many nights, by guys even more athletic than he is. And he often will be at a height/bulk disadvantage.

Not saying he can't make it. Just saying he needs to demonstrate to NBA types that he can shoot from the perimeter, including NBA 3-point range, and can play at least a little PG. If he can do that at his workouts, he might be able to sneak into the first round. If he can't, he's at best a late second-rounder.

[joe pop]

The college three is a midrange jumper in the NBA, lots of centers/power forwards shoot that shot at a high percentage.  Vander's was a 30% three point shooter.  One season of a good 2pt% does not mean Vander is a good shooter.