Vander Blue

[MU82]

Correct, him becoming POY was a surprise.  But he was preseason all Big East team and expected to be one of the better players on the team and in the league...which of course he was.

Is "honorable mention" the same thing as All-Big East?

You just lectured jajuannaman about not being factually correct. So come on, Chicos, be factually correct. He wasn't even second-team All-Big East. He was a 12 ppg scorer from the previous season who was expected to improve and be the second-best player on a good squad. Don't exaggerate to try to make your point.

[honkytonk]

Vander has some nice physical attributes, but I can't remember the last SG drafted who shot 30% from the college 3pt line.

Tony Wroten shot under 20%.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is "honorable mention" the same thing as All-Big East?

You just lectured jajuannaman about not being factually correct. So come on, Chicos, be factually correct. He wasn't even second-team All-Big East. He was a 12 ppg scorer from the previous season who was expected to improve and be the second-best player on a good squad. Don't exaggerate to try to make your point.

Uhm, YES, it is.  Just as making honorable mention after the season is being named to an ALL BIG EAST team.  There are designations, 1st team, 2nd team, honorable mention...in all cases they are part of an ALL Big East team (or Big 12, or Pac 12, or fill in the blank).  That's how it works.  That's also why I specifically said All Big East team and didn't call out First team, or Second team, etc.   So yes, I am 100% factually correct to the absolute letter of what I said.


EDIT:  Just to give you some concrete examples of this in our own conference and others..."named to all Big East team" even though they weren't all first team. 

http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120612aaa.html

http://www.und.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/012313aab.html

http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/100412aaa.html

Etc, etc

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Tony Wroten shot under 20%.

I stand corrected.

[keefe]

Tony Wroten shot under 20%.

He did in his one year at U Dub. Kid has huge upside and that is why he was drafted. Had nothing to do with his outside shot. He probably should have stayed one more year - Romar really wanted him to but he went in the first round. His contract is for a $1.1MM a year so who's to say he was wrong. 19 y/o and getting paid more than a mil? I imagine he is not wanting for high quality female companionship.

[MU82]

Uhm, YES, it is.  Just as making honorable mention after the season is being named to an ALL BIG EAST team.  There are designations, 1st team, 2nd team, honorable mention...in all cases they are part of an ALL Big East team (or Big 12, or Pac 12, or fill in the blank).  That's how it works.  That's also why I specifically said All Big East team and didn't call out First team, or Second team, etc.   So yes, I am 100% factually correct to the absolute letter of what I said.


EDIT:  Just to give you some concrete examples of this in our own conference and others..."named to all Big East team" even though they weren't all first team. 

http://www.pittsburghpanthers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/120612aaa.html

http://www.und.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/012313aab.html

http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/100412aaa.html

Etc, etc

Not going to argue this.

With this argument, you clearly earned honorable mention status on the Scoop All-Debate Team. Congrats!

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, if college basketball has disintegrated to the point that a team devoid of talent is in the top 20 and tied for first place in the Big East I guess a #1 seed or a national championship won't mean much this year.

It's a credit to Buzz.  Better as a sum of the parts than the individual talents.  They play well as a team despite their lack of arhleticism and shooting ability.  Nothing wrong with that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not going to argue this.

With this argument, you clearly earned honorable mention status on the Scoop All-Debate Team. Congrats!

Nothing to argue.  I said he was all Big East preseason team...that is correct and it's how this stuff works.  Maybe it's part of our everyone gets a trophy culture, but that's how schools and conferences often report those teams. 

[rocky_warrior]

Not to nitpick, but outside of Goose and his source, does anybody actually think Vander is going?

This reminds me when "everybody" thought Buzz was leaving, when it reality there were about 3 people who thought that and then everybody commented on all of the variables.

Hah, no kidding.  I read Goose's post and though "Great, here we go again".  For those with bad memories, please remember only ONE MUScoop member said this, not "everybody".

[Goose]

Rocky

I will make sure to ONLY comment on positive things I hear in the future.

[Clam Crowder]

If Blue leaves then we have Todd (hopefully), Jamal, and Jajuan Johnson coming in and Jamil Wilson and OX back...I think he'd be a fool to leave with his jumpshot still mediocre and inconsistent, but hey it is what it is.

[Bocephys]

If Blue leaves then we have Todd (hopefully), Jamal, and Jajuan Johnson coming in and Jamil Wilson and OX back...I think he'd be a fool to leave with his jumpshot still mediocre and inconsistent, but hey it is what it is.

I think it's foolish to expect any contribution from Todd Mayo. He's shown nothing this year.

[MUSF]

I think it's foolish to expect any contribution from Todd Mayo. He's shown nothing this year.

Agreed. Todd Mayo appears to be the one outlier on this team that doesn't seem to be all in with Buzz and the rest of the team.

[Clam Crowder]

I think it's foolish to expect any contribution from Todd Mayo. He's shown nothing this year.

I honestly don't even think Todd will be here next year. I am just trying to be optimistic. In his defense...when you come off the bench after 15 minutes and get pulled after 1 mistake you don't have much of a chance to show your worth. I agree he's been pretty awful, but Jake coming in first off the bench over a player with superior talent shows us something is going on with this guy.

[Clam Crowder]

Agreed. Todd Mayo appears to be the one outlier on this team that doesn't seem to be all in with Buzz and the rest of the team.

I agree completely. Even his body language just reeks of indifference...Not the same player he was and not the player he could be at this point.

[jeffreyweee]

Enough. Watch the game and watch Todd's body language. After Blue's drive against Davidson he's first off the bench to chest bump and celebrate with Blue. No wild speculation, please.

[Clam Crowder]

Just saying the minutes dont line up with the talent. I dont know anything I just find todd to be an enigma at this point

[Galway Eagle]

Bad body language, disappointing expectations, where have I heard this before?  Kinda sounds like the stuff that used to be said about Blue

[🏀]

Just saying the minutes dont line up with the talent. I dont know anything I just find todd to be an enigma at this point

What has Todd done this year to warrant big minutes?

Hopefully, he works all summer on and of the court and contributes next year. The team will need his ball, next year really is the year for this roster.

[MUSF]

Bad body language, disappointing expectations, where have I heard this before?  Kinda sounds like the stuff that used to be said about Blue

Apple, orange, banana, hammer... Nice try.

Blue never lost significant minutes, his production didn't drop significantly, and he was never suspended indefinitely.

Why did all of the above happen with Todd and not Vander? I can't say because I don't know, but I can tell you what it looks like from my living room, hence the purpose of message boards.