Why all the Dayton hate?

[keefe]

This fact came up earlier in another thread.  (Interesting how all of this conference discussion is just being recycled at this point.)  Claim was made by Dayton guys that they'd closed registration two years ago due to extensive trolling by Xavier fans.  Xavier/Dayton fan animosity seems to eclipse MU/Badger animosity.

I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.

[🏀]

fracking idiots. The C7 must stick together or lose their automatic bid.

Plus the C7 lose any chance of retaining the Big East name, etc if they don't stick together.

Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.

[Dawson Rental]

I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.

The word I used for the relationship between Xavier and Dayton fans was "animosity", not rivalry. 

[Dawson Rental]

Reading that board is creepy. What a delusional lot. The upside for Dayton is that they will compete for the A10 crown in the near term when the elite bolts for the C7.

Let's play: What's your favorite delusional statement?  Here's mine:

"Any potential lucrative television package that includes the BE7 schools is only lucrative because A10 schools are getting involved to make it lucrative. By themselves, the BE7 schools might be able to get a TV package on the Lifetime Channel, but thats about it."  Thanks for playing Chris R.!
                                                                    
I liked the idea of getting Dayton involved. but some of their fans are really getting to me.  Creepy is not too strong a word.  Title BU and bobber seem to more than have a clue, but that's about it.  I guess in their defense, you can say that this conference realignment stuff is new to them.  For them, reality could end up being a mother....

In the end, it isn't going to mean squat what any of us think or what any Dayton fans think, it's all going to be what the television people think will be the best (most lucrative) combination.

[keefe]

Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.

I would rather have the Hall over Dayton 8 days a week.

[buckchuckler]

There is a lot of really big talk from a program that has won 6 tournament games in the last 44 years.  The same amount MU has won in the last 5 years.  But seriously they are on the same level as Marquette.

"The Bonnies have as many conference tournament titles in the last 10 years as all of the BE7 combined.


And, of course, we own Marquette - on the court and on the pitch."

Yeah, the Bonnies winning conference titles isn't a good arguement for the strength of your conference, or your team for that matter.  

They also treat games against us like their Championships.  They love talking about December games from what 6 years ago?  Probably goes back to their success in the Great Midwest.  On the pitch seriously?  This is about basketball.  

[keefe]

There is a lot of really big talk from a program that has won 6 tournament games in the last 44 years.  The same amount MU has won in the last 5 years.  But seriously they are on the same level as Marquette.

"The Bonnies have as many conference tournament titles in the last 10 years as all of the BE7 combined.


And, of course, we own Marquette - on the court and on the pitch."

Yeah, the Bonnies winning conference titles isn't a good arguement for the strength of your conference, or your team for that matter.  

They also treat games against us like their Championships.  They love talking about December games from what 6 years ago?  Probably goes back to their success in the Great Midwest.  On the pitch seriously?  This is about basketball.  

We gave them the Great White Hope, Brett Roseboro. For the love of God what more can they take from us?

[Xbus]

I'll bet if you ask X fans 100% will tell you Cincy is THE rivalry. Dayton is an annoyance.

This is true.

I hope we leave little brother behind.

[keefe]

Even if the C7 could break apart, the only school I'd consider booting would be Seton Hall for Dayton.

For Chrissakes why would you boot a core partner? Without all of the Magnificent 7 we don't have the makings of a new conference.

http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837

[keefe]

http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837

If you look at the poster one of the Magnificent Seven is Chico

[keefe]

This is true.

I hope we leave little brother behind.

So do I. I look forward to squaring against you guys a few times a year. We had some great battles in the past. Xavier was always a tough game.

[buckchuckler]

http://geektyrant.com/storage/0999-post-images/magnificent-seven5202012.jpeg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1339518936837

If you look at the poster one of the Magnificent Seven is Chico

Huh?  Yeah Chico.  Spoiler alert.  He is one of the guys that makes it.  The poster also doesn't name Steve McQueen's character.  Vin. 

What a great movie.  And a classic movie theme.  I think I'll watch it tonight. 

[slingkong]

So what you are saying is that the selection committee doesn't care about these labels.  Then why should we care?

Again, this will be the best basketball conference that doesn't sponsor football. 

So if the selection committee doesn't care about whether UD is a mid-major, and we don't care about if UD is a mid-major, and even though UD doesn't make the tournament with any sort of regularity, then UD should still be a member because . . . well, why exactly?  They aren't good at basketball, do not bring a sizable market, and have no cachet.  Sounds perfect!  They bring nothing to the table except random good games against good teams.

[GGGG]

So if the selection committee doesn't care about whether UD is a mid-major, and we don't care about if UD is a mid-major, and even though UD doesn't make the tournament with any sort of regularity, then UD should still be a member because . . . well, why exactly?  They aren't good at basketball, do not bring a sizable market, and have no cachet.  Sounds perfect!  They bring nothing to the table except random good games against good teams.

I think you are mistaking me for someone who wants Dayton in the conference.

[Pakuni]

Can we please stop making decisions based on Shaka Smart?

VCU is fine and all, but let's not make them out to be another Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier.

Jeff Capel and Anthony Grant had successful runs at VCU immediately prior to Shaka Smart.

[Pakuni]

Let's play: What's your favorite delusional statement?  Here's mine:

"Any potential lucrative television package that includes the BE7 schools is only lucrative because A10 schools are getting involved to make it lucrative. By themselves, the BE7 schools might be able to get a TV package on the Lifetime Channel, but thats about it."  Thanks for playing Chris R.!                                                              

Actually, there's a poster here in another thread pretty much saying the same thing, and suggesting the C7 will have to hold its tourney in Indy and Cincy for the next decade AND pay millions of dollars in incentives if there's any hope of adding Xavier and Butler to the new conference.

[slingkong]

I think you are mistaking me for someone who wants Dayton in the conference.

Must have misread you then.  Mea culpa.

[jt92]

Yeah I want to play the conference tournament in their home gym every year.  They rub me the wrong way and they are a mid major. Adding Dayton (and a bunch of other teams) means our program is going the wrong way period.  Lets not try to sugar coat this...I don't hate Dayton I am just trying to look out for and promote MU's best interest and adding Dayton is not in our best interest.  I wish people on this board would start looking at the big picture and realize that MU basketball and all the progress we have made in the last decade is about to be eroded if this school and AD are not proactive.   That's the bottom line.

[tower912]

I would say taking the lead in the C7 split is proactive and prior to this move I haven't liked the AD.   Everyone on this board (except possibly the equalizer  ) wants what is best for MU.    The C7 split/new basketball-only conference is it.    Now the devil is in the details.   10 vs 12 vs 16.    Everybody wants Butler and X but if we stop at 10, who is #10?    Is it economically feasible for the rest of the sports if you add Gonzaga? I happen to like Dayton, but am clearly in the minority on this board.   All of these things are important, but none are deal-breaking.    This is going to happen.   It is going to take time to get all of the details worked out.

[Dawson Rental]

I would say taking the lead in the C7 split is proactive and prior to this move I haven't liked the AD.   Everyone on this board (except possibly the equalizer  ) wants what is best for MU.    The C7 split/new basketball-only conference is it.    Now the devil is in the details.   10 vs 12 vs 16.    Everybody wants Butler and X but if we stop at 10, who is #10?    Is it economically feasible for the rest of the sports if you add Gonzaga? I happen to like Dayton, but am clearly in the minority on this board.   All of these things are important, but none are deal-breaking.    This is going to happen.   It is going to take time to get all of the details worked out.

There is no need to worry about any of these things.  The solutions aren't up to us, they aren't up to the AD's, and they probably won't be up to the university presidents.  The TV networks will let us know who they want to pay to broadcast games for, others won't be added unless their is a case where the university presidents are willing to dilute the per school bucks a little to include in the league a team that the TV networks think of as marginal.