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Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« on: December 14, 2012, 07:55:20 AM »
I came across this article when I went to check my e-mail.

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/tolkien-class-wis-university-proves-popular-080431052.html


Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular

MILWAUKEE (AP) — The vast collection of J.R.R. Tolkien manuscripts initially sold senior Joe Kirchoff on Marquette University, so when the school offered its first course devoted exclusively to the English author, Kirchoff wanted in. The only problem: It was full and he wasn't on the literature track.

Undaunted, the 22-year-old political science and history major lobbied the English department and others starting last spring and through the summer and "kind of just made myself a problem," he said. His persistence paid off.

"It's a fantastic course," said Kirchoff, a Chicago native. "It's a great way to look at something that's such a creative work of genius in such a way you really come to understand the man behind it."

He and the 31 other students can now boast of their authority about the author who influenced much of today's high fantasy writing. The course was taught for the first time this fall as part of the university's celebration of the 75th anniversary of "The Hobbit" being published. And class wrapped up just before the film, "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey," was released Friday.

The class, which filled up fast with mostly seniors who had first dibs, looked at Tolkien as a whole, not just the popular "Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit." Students took their final exam this week, and the course was so well received, Marquette is considering more in the future.

"It's the best class I've had in 27 years here ... for student preparation, interest and enthusiasm," said English professor Tim Machan. "And I can throw out any topic and they will have read the material and they want to talk about the material."

Marquette is one of the main repositories of Tolkien's drafts, drawings and other writings — more than 11,000 pages. It has the manuscripts for "The Lord of the Rings" and "The Hobbit," as well as his lesser-known "Farmer Giles of Ham" and his children's book "Mr. Bliss." Marquette was the first institution to ask Tolkien for the manuscripts in 1956 and paid him about $5,000. He died in 1973.

Other significant collections are at the Bodleian Library at Oxford University in England and Wheaton College in Illinois.

Though Tolkien classes aren't unusual nationwide, Marquette students had the added bonus of being able to visit Tolkien's revisions, notes, detailed calendars, maps and watercolors on site at the school's archive. And they got a lesson from the school's archivist Bill Fliss.

"One of the things we wanted to impress upon the students was the fact that Tolkien was a fanatical reviser," said Fliss said. "He never really did anything once and was finished with it."

Chrissy Wabiszewski, a senior English major, described Tolkien's manuscripts as art.

"When you get down and look at just his script and his artwork in general, it all kind of flows together in this really beautiful, like, cumulative form," Wabiszewski said. "It's cool. It is just really cool to have it here."

The class also looked at Tolkien's poetry, academic articles and translations of medieval poems; talked about the importance of his writers' group, the Inklings; and explored what it meant to be a writer at that time.

"We've ... tried to think about continuities that ran through everything he did," Machan said. His students were also required to go to three lectures that were part of Marquette's commemoration.

"The Hobbit," a tale of homebody Bilbo Baggins' journey, is set in Tolkien's fictional realm of Middle-earth and takes place 60 years before "The Lord of the Rings." The movie released Friday is the first of the trilogy, with "The Hobbit: There and Back Again" set for release on Dec. 13, 2013, and a third film to come out in the summer of 2014.

Most of the students were just finishing elementary school when the first "Lord of the Rings" film was released 11 years ago.

Kirchoff said he started reading "The Hobbit" and the "Lord of the Rings" when he was in fourth grade, before the movies came out. He said the movies have introduced others to Tolkien's ideas, making his love for Tolkien's fantasy worlds more socially acceptable.

"The movies were fantastic enough and engaging enough to coexist in my mind with the literature I really do love," he said.

Wabiszewski said it's clear her classmates weren't just taking the class as a filler.

"I definitely expected the enthusiasm from everybody but just the knowledge that everybody brought into the class, it's cool," she said. "We really have a smart group of people in that class who have a lot to offer."


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Re: Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2012, 08:12:59 AM »
Not a big fan of the whole Tolkien deal, but it's relevant. Very cool for Marquette.

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« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2012, 08:15:44 AM »
Holy snikes! They paid $5,000 for all that?


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Re: Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2012, 08:51:42 AM »
Holy snikes! They paid $5,000 for all that?


Yep.  My girlfriend took this class and told me the story of how it happened.  Someone at MU made Tolkien the offer before his works had gained the massive popularity they would later.  His publishers advised him that he would never get a better offer and he should accept it.  So Tolkien did and sent everything he had.  Later, on several occasions he (and his son, Christopher, after JRR's death) would come across other lost pieces of the collection and honored the contract by sending them to MU, even though their value had significantly increased by that time.  Apart from the actual manuscripts of the books, the collection contains essay test booklets from Tolkien's students where he first jotted little notes and rhymes about Hobbits in the margins, and other oddities like that.

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Re: Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2012, 09:07:35 AM »
It's attended by all the kids who are on the Marquette Quidditch team.

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Have some patience, FFS.

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Re: Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2012, 09:38:22 AM »
Huge Tolkien fan.  Just bought 4 tix for Hobbit to see tonight with the family

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Re: Tolkien class at Wis. university proves popular
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012, 09:48:48 AM »
That is because you reportedly see eye to eye with the hobbits, chico.   ;D    I am also a huge fan and would have taken the class had it been offered when I was there.   
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 11:27:31 AM »
The Elves for sure, I look down on the Dwarfs and Hobbits. 

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2012, 05:40:38 PM »
Damn woul have loved that class. Never understood why it wasn't offered before with the archives there.

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« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 05:47:45 PM »
Damn woul have loved that class. Never understood why it wasn't offered before with the archives there.

True.

But when I would take prospective students on a tour of the Raynor library (older one, not the new one), I made sure to stop by the manuscripts which were posted for those to see.

Pretty cool when you think that it was these pieces of paper that helped to launch the mythology, books, and the subsequent movies.
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« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 06:00:42 PM »
Made a trip to visit Marquette after I had decide to attend in the summer before my freshman year and ran across the works exhibited in the Museum.  I think it was in celebration of the 50th anniversary of The Hobbits publishing.  It was all very cool and very impressive seeing the original manuscripts.  I later heard of English TA's specifically choosing to Marquette because of the Tolkien collection.

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« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 06:11:53 PM »
3.5 stars out of 5.  Good, not great.  Filmed on digital at 48 frames per second instead of the traditional 24 frames....plays tricks on your eyes a bit.  Saw it in 3D, wish I actually hadn't and gone for the regular non-3D version.




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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 08:53:16 PM »
I'll see the movie in the next couple of weeks, but it offends me that they are making a 300 page book into a trilogy.   
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« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 09:42:12 PM »
I took a couple of Tolkien classes at MU in the 80's.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 09:57:43 PM »
3.5 stars out of 5.  Good, not great.  Filmed on digital at 48 frames per second instead of the traditional 24 frames....plays tricks on your eyes a bit.  Saw it in 3D, wish I actually hadn't and gone for the regular non-3D version.

I saw it yesterday in the regular non-3D version and thought it was very good; I'd give it a 4.5.

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« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 09:58:19 PM »
I can see how it would be popular, though I'd have more interest in a class on his pal, C.S. Lewis.

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2012, 10:09:41 AM »
3.5 stars out of 5.  Good, not great.  Filmed on digital at 48 frames per second instead of the traditional 24 frames....plays tricks on your eyes a bit.  Saw it in 3D, wish I actually hadn't and gone for the regular non-3D version.

I'm not much a fan of 3D at all. Haven't seen Hobbit yet (going this week) but plan to see it in non-3D. 2 hours of wearing those glasses gives me a bit of a headache and it just doesn't feel like the technology is quite there yet.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2012, 10:12:21 AM »
I'm not much a fan of 3D at all. Haven't seen Hobbit yet (going this week) but plan to see it in non-3D. 2 hours of wearing those glasses gives me a bit of a headache and it just doesn't feel like the technology is quite there yet.

Saw it this weekend, and it was pretty good.  Not great.  I think that the 3D added a lot to the film... but took a lot out of my wallet.

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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2012, 11:12:17 AM »
I'll see the movie in the next couple of weeks, but it offends me that they are making a 300 page book into a trilogy.   

For those wondering about how the heck did they break up a book into 3 movies.  Jackson realized his window for all thing Tolkien was probably closing with this movie, so he went back and grabbed a lot of the lore about Middle Earth from the Silmarillion and other works and put it all into these movies.

 

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