Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 01, 2026, 08:30:12 PMWildly unfair to place blame on our highest paid player, who was voted 1st Team Big East by league coaches?  For Chase to be a 79.1 O-Rating against Tier 1 opponents and 93.4 against Tier 1 and 2?  Ben Gold is a 93.2 against Tier 1 and 96.6 against Tier 1& 2 - also very disappointing stats.  Not to mention Ben's 1-13 shooting from 3 in conference play - yet even with that poor of shooting his O-Rating in conference play is 106.2 and Chase is at 69.2

Our 2 pt FG Distance of 3.8 feet in Number 2 in D1.  We are getting open looks from three.  Missing shots you expect to make can really spiral quickly and compound negatively in other ares of the game.

In my view its on the players to put the ball in the basket, particularly when they are getting good open looks from 3.

Easy to make Shaka the fall guy for everything, but at some point you also have to put some blame on the players too.  And, going nuclear on a coach who has done really well in his first 4 years after 10 years of mediocrity at best at MU seems "wildly unfair."

Your point is wildly foolish so I'll keep it simple. There are other players and coaching decisions that are much more to blame for our ineptitude than chase's struggles. 

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 01, 2026, 08:30:12 PMWildly unfair to place blame on our highest paid player, who was voted 1st Team Big East by league coaches?  For Chase to be a 79.1 O-Rating against Tier 1 opponents and 93.4 against Tier 1 and 2?  Ben Gold is a 93.2 against Tier 1 and 96.6 against Tier 1& 2 - also very disappointing stats.  Not to mention Ben's 1-13 shooting from 3 in conference play - yet even with that poor of shooting his O-Rating in conference play is 106.2 and Chase is at 69.2

Our 2 pt FG Distance of 3.8 feet in Number 2 in D1.  We are getting open looks from three.  Missing shots you expect to make can really spiral quickly and compound negatively in other ares of the game.

In my view its on the players to put the ball in the basket, particularly when they are getting good open looks from 3.

Easy to make Shaka the fall guy for everything, but at some point you also have to put some blame on the players too.  And, going nuclear on a coach who has done really well in his first 4 years after 10 years of mediocrity at best at MU seems "wildly unfair."

This is some great, hall of fame level comedy.     

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 01, 2026, 08:30:12 PMWildly unfair to place blame on our highest paid player, who was voted 1st Team Big East by league coaches?  For Chase to be a 79.1 O-Rating against Tier 1 opponents and 93.4 against Tier 1 and 2?  Ben Gold is a 93.2 against Tier 1 and 96.6 against Tier 1& 2 - also very disappointing stats.  Not to mention Ben's 1-13 shooting from 3 in conference play - yet even with that poor of shooting his O-Rating in conference play is 106.2 and Chase is at 69.2

Our 2 pt FG Distance of 3.8 feet in Number 2 in D1.  We are getting open looks from three.  Missing shots you expect to make can really spiral quickly and compound negatively in other ares of the game.

In my view its on the players to put the ball in the basket, particularly when they are getting good open looks from 3.

Easy to make Shaka the fall guy for everything, but at some point you also have to put some blame on the players too.  And, going nuclear on a coach who has done really well in his first 4 years after 10 years of mediocrity at best at MU seems "wildly unfair."

The buck stops...over there somewhere. 

Quote from: panda on January 01, 2026, 06:55:58 PMSo if Chase plays better, that makes up for the massive holes elsewhere in the roster? I don't think so.

The problem the last year and a half is much more than Chase Ross and it's wildly unfair to place blame on him.

And yes - I do let him go (IF) he declines a massive change to his roster from this season. Why hang onto him for another season with the same roster only for a marginal improvement on this season and then let him go? That's another wasted year.

Wildly unfair to place blame on our highest paid player, who was voted 1st Team Big East by league coaches?  For Chase to be a 79.1 O-Rating against Tier 1 opponents and 93.4 against Tier 1 and 2?  Ben Gold is a 93.2 against Tier 1 and 96.6 against Tier 1& 2 - also very disappointing stats.  Not to mention Ben's 1-13 shooting from 3 in conference play - yet even with that poor of shooting his O-Rating in conference play is 106.2 and Chase is at 69.2

Our 2 pt FG Distance of 3.8 feet in Number 2 in D1.  We are getting open looks from three.  Missing shots you expect to make can really spiral quickly and compound negatively in other ares of the game.

In my view its on the players to put the ball in the basket, particularly when they are getting good open looks from 3.

Easy to make Shaka the fall guy for everything, but at some point you also have to put some blame on the players too.  And, going nuclear on a coach who has done really well in his first 4 years after 10 years of mediocrity at best at MU seems "wildly unfair."

Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 01, 2026, 08:05:39 PMMaybe it's time to move this thread to the AL so we can discuss some really decent basketball.

Apparently we already are discussing the women's team here.

Already without 3 starters (Gordon, Braun, Johnson), the Nuggets recently lost the best player in the world for at least 4 weeks. And now Jokic's backup, Jonas Valanciunas, is out for at least 4 weeks.

They have the 3rd-best record in the conference, 23-10.

Quote from: SOSW on January 01, 2026, 06:07:55 PMI think it's very obvious that Shaka and the staff severely underestimated this roster's talent and ability to compete. How else would we get these pre-season tweets about Caedin, only to see that he's just not a very good basketball player?

And that's part of coaching.

https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1983941697106018690?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg

Woof.  Just more BS from the fortress-like cult of RGV, a fortress that turned out to be a house of cards.  If only these guys could've played all their games against each other, they'd be the greatest team since Bob Knight's undefeated Indiana squad.

Maybe it's time to move this thread to the AL so we can discuss some really decent basketball.

Quote from: Heisenberg on January 01, 2026, 12:25:24 PMDePaul just passed MU in Kenpom's rankings and is the new worst team in the Big East.

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I think what you meant to say is that MU is the new worst team in the Big East.

Quote from: panda on January 01, 2026, 06:55:58 PMSo if Chase plays better, that makes up for the massive holes elsewhere in the roster? I don't think so.

The problem the last year and a half is much more than Chase Ross and it's wildly unfair to place blame on him.

And yes - I do let him go (IF) he declines a massive change to his roster from this season. Why hang onto him for another season with the same roster only for a marginal improvement on this season and then let him go? That's another wasted year.

Yep, exactly.
Chase has been pretty bad the last 5 games or so, and I suspect that has a lot to do with him realizing his senior year is being wasted because of the lack of talent around him.
Even so, his struggles aren't the reason MU has been playing like a Horizon league program for the last month.