Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2026, 04:36:44 PMYou might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

OMax was a top 100 recruit. Oso was as well.

Not accusing you of defending anything, VBMG, but Shaka deserves all the criticism for thinking he could build the center position off of Hamilton and Clark, two zero star recruits. That was indefensible hubris on his part.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2026, 04:36:44 PMYou might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

Coward - stand behind your words if you're going to come at me. Go slink back to your corner son

Quote from: panda on March 06, 2026, 04:32:42 PMI was - can't say I watched much omax his freshman year, but I lauded kuath morsell and kolek from day 1. They were incredible pickups that immediately changed the trajectory of our program.

There's a search function - you have yourself a homework assignment if you don't believe me.

You might want to re-read my post as you addressed neither of the points. 

I didn't question what you claimed to say about OMax when he transferred.  I figured it's a coin-toss about whether that was true or not and I don't care enough to waste time looking for it.

Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 06, 2026, 04:33:19 PMI don't disagree with anything you're saying, but we have players on this roster who are much worse than Tyler was his first year. When looking at this team, it's time to stop equating 'didn't live up to expectations' with 'doesn't belong on a high major team'.

Can't argue with any of that.

I certainly am not one who looks at this team the way you mention in your last sentence.

Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2026, 04:19:06 PMMichigan hasn't had enough games that have come down to the last shot this year to establish a pattern.

Interestingly, in this game Lendeborg went to the line with 7 seconds left and a 2 point lead and made the first FT and missed the second. He fouled (apparently unintentionally) going after the rebound and Iowa went down and made two free throws to cut the lead to one with 4 seconds left.

Iowa fouled with no time coming off the clock and Lendeborg made both FT. After Michigan had lost the ball on an inbound pass with about20 seconds left, and had some trouble on others, I agree that not fouling was a better option than continuing the back and forth. May was probably willing to take his chances in OT if Iowa made a desperation shot.

All good points, especially about May not facing this decision much (if at all before yesterday) this season.

Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2026, 04:19:30 PMHe was at best only an OK point guard his first season at Marquette. He couldn't shoot from the outside, he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, and he couldn't go to his right. He averaged 6.7 pts on almost unbelievably bad 32% shooting, and defenses didn't respect him. He had several crises of confidence, leading Shaka to bench him during games numerous times.

To be any good in 2022-23, Marquette needed better PG play, either from Kolek or someone else. To TK's immense credit - and to the credit of the coaches who helped him - he improved a bazillion percent. He shot 40% from 3, was much better going right, developed a float game, and became good around the basket. He was a threat to score, which kept defenses honest and opened up passing lanes for him. As you said, he had a great floor game as well as unique court vision; the fact that teams finally had to respect his ability to score made him an All-American.

Had he not worked so hard and improved so much, three years of soph-level Kolek would have been no bueno. Thankfully, he took care of business and became a star as a junior and senior. Again, a credit to him.

I don't disagree with anything you're saying, but we have players on this roster who are much worse than Tyler was his first year. When looking at this team, it's time to stop equating 'didn't live up to expectations' with 'doesn't belong on a high major team'.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2026, 04:30:24 PMYes, I'm sure you'd be the epitome of positivity if one of the transfers brought in this offseason averaged 3 points and 10 MPG. 

I'm curious...whose position would you rather be in going into this offseason?

Marquette's or IU's?

I was - can't say I watched much omax his freshman year, but I lauded kuath morsell and kolek from day 1. They were incredible pickups that immediately changed the trajectory of our program.

There's a search function - you have yourself a homework assignment if you don't believe me.

Quote from: panda on March 06, 2026, 02:09:54 PMHe was a recognized sought after high potential player.

I am talking about Kuath, morsell and kolek. Three proven players which took a team in turmoil and maintained tournament status.

Yes, I'm sure you'd be the epitome of positivity if one of the transfers brought in this offseason averaged 3 points and 10 MPG. 

I'm curious...whose position would you rather be in going into this offseason?

Marquette's or IU's?

Quote from: panda on March 06, 2026, 03:51:02 PMFake news #lies

I loved kolek from day one and was one of the only ones who lauded his floor game rather than the other noobs who assumed he was just a spot up shooter. He was a legit pick up and no one should ever dismiss picking up a conference freshman of the year.

He was at best only an OK point guard his first season at Marquette. He couldn't shoot from the outside, he wasn't a good finisher at the rim, and he couldn't go to his right. He averaged 6.7 pts on almost unbelievably bad 32% shooting, and defenses didn't respect him. He had several crises of confidence, leading Shaka to bench him during games numerous times.

To be any good in 2022-23, Marquette needed better PG play, either from Kolek or someone else. To TK's immense credit - and to the credit of the coaches who helped him - he improved a bazillion percent. He shot 40% from 3, was much better going right, developed a float game, and became good around the basket. He was a threat to score, which kept defenses honest and opened up passing lanes for him. As you said, he had a great floor game as well as unique court vision; the fact that teams finally had to respect his ability to score made him an All-American.

Had he not worked so hard and improved so much, three years of soph-level Kolek would have been no bueno. Thankfully, he took care of business and became a star as a junior and senior. Again, a credit to him.

Quote from: MU82 on March 06, 2026, 03:52:26 PMStudies have shown that fouling/not fouling up 3 is a 50-50 proposition. Anecdotally, I've definitely noticed more coaches not automatically fouling up 3 this season. Many coaches make the decision based on the situation: Is the opponent making 3s today? Are we getting killed on the boards so we're in jeopardy if they miss a FT intentionally? Have we had trouble inbounding the ball? Is there X number of seconds on the clock? Can I count on my guys to not foul in the act of shooting, especially now that the rules have changed to allow continuation calls?

There were about 4 seconds left and Stirtz had to dribble the length of the court. It was not going to be an easy 3. I haven't seen Michigan enough to know if May usually does or doesn't fouls up 3, but not doing so this time was the right call IMHO.

Michigan hasn't had enough games that have come down to the last shot this year to establish a pattern.

Interestingly, in this game Lendeborg went to the line with 7 seconds left and a 2 point lead and made the first FT and missed the second. He fouled (apparently unintentionally) going after the rebound and Iowa went down and made two free throws to cut the lead to one with 4 seconds left.

Iowa fouled with no time coming off the clock and Lendeborg made both FT. After Michigan had lost the ball on an inbound pass with about20 seconds left, and had some trouble on others, I agree that not fouling was a better option than continuing the back and forth. May was probably willing to take his chances in OT if Iowa made a desperation shot.