Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 30, 2025, 09:36:20 PMWhen players play for a paycheck instead of a school, it's not the same game to me.

When you see that UK has a roster receiving over $20 million (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/mens-basketball/2025/10/16/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-roster-cost-20-million/86732570007/), what is your expectation for MU? Shouldn't one's expectations be commensurate with the team's payroll?

When has Marquette basketball ever been on an even footing with Kentucky?

If Scoop and the Coaching staff can't figure out which guy should get the vast majority of PG minutes moving forward, then we're way more lost than ever imagined. I'm done.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 30, 2025, 06:21:53 PMya think? 61 different products for sale at the Spirit Shop with the RGV brand on it:

https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/rgv/

I've said it before, I'm afraid RGV is going to be come what "our academic standards are too high" has been to schools like Bucky in the 80s, Northwestern, etc.

I do appreciate that we have a roster of guys who are making a commitment to MU as an institution but we act like we're the only school doing this and everyone else has complete roster turnover every year.

Holy sh*t. I didn't realize this was how far it's gone. Does anyone actually buy this stuff?

Tees and shot glasses are one thing. But a $105 dress shirt with a giant RGV logo might be one of the most hilariously unserious things I've ever seen them sell.

Quote from: GB Warrior on November 30, 2025, 06:33:28 PMIf this is happening in California, just think what's happening in West Bend

The spike in data probably looks like the Geiger counter at Chernobyl where it maxed out the reader

Quote from: BM1090 on November 30, 2025, 09:30:59 PMIs this surprising? I felt like they didn't have a shot

Edit: looks like it was expected and I'm just out of the loop

No real reason they're in, to be honest.

Quote from: JWags85 on November 30, 2025, 10:42:21 PMRandy Walker was 37-46 and had 1 season over .500...definitely A-OK. Gary Barnett was 35-45, had 2 really good years and then faded. Had 2x as many 3 or less win seasons as winning years in 7 years in Evanston. Definitely won A LOT. His last year he was 0-8 in the B10 and still got hired by Colorado and was in consideration for Texas.

That 1995 Barnett team was probably the best NW team of all time, an absolute thunderbolt out of nowhere.  But everything about Fitz's total resume at Northwestern completely eclipses both Walker and Barnett, it's not even a debate without a bias pushing the agenda.

Fitzgerald did fine work at Northwestern, but I wouldn't go nearly as far as to suggest his resume matches Barnett's.
Fitz took over an entirely different Northwestern program than the one Barnett did, from facilities, to the stadium, to record of success, to the support of the university, alumni and fans. Northwestern was easily the worst major-conference program in the country when Barnett took over, and perhaps the worst program overall. They'd won 24 conference games in the previous 20 seasons combined, under five different coaches. In 13 of those 20 seasons, they won two games or fewer. They hadn't had a winning record since 1971 and hadn't played in a bowl since 1948.

Fitzgerald took over a program that had gone to a bowl 5 of the previous 10 years, and finished the season .500 or better five times over that span. He won more consistently than Barnett, but that was only made possible by Barnett's resurrection of the program. Twenty years from now, if someone asks who was the coach that had the most impact on Northwestern football in modern history, Barnett will be the correct answer.

I'd liken it to O'Neill, Crean and Buzz at MU. Buzz had the most sustained success of the three, but the other two rescued the program from potential irrelevancy and made Buzz's success possible.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 30, 2025, 03:19:37 PMThe Bears may only be favored in 1 of their final 5 games, but it sure is fun right now.

Dare I say, the Bears' window is just about to open?

I said a few years ago I'd be perfectly happy with 9-8. Now it just keeps ticking up.  Even if they finish 10-7 with just the win over the Browns, Johnson is still probably COY.  Steal one of the Packers/Lions games to get to 11-6, im ecstatic.  Some way get to 12-5 and I'm delirious.  Either way, it's been a blast.

Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 10:14:06 PMHe had 1 whole conference win in 3 of his last 4 years. That's an entire recruiting cycle. And he oversaw Hazing U.

Barnett won a lot at Northwestern, Walker did A-OK, and yes, Coach Hazy did well before the wheels fell off, too. Since the mid-90s, NW hasn't been the Rick Venturi Mildcats.

You're doing an absurd overselling of Fitzgerald's extreme fade at the end of his run. Not just 2 years. 3 of 4 + Hazing.

Randy Walker was 37-46 and had 1 season over .500...definitely A-OK. Gary Barnett was 35-45, had 2 really good years and then faded. Had 2x as many 3 or less win seasons as winning years in 7 years in Evanston. Definitely won A LOT. His last year he was 0-8 in the B10 and still got hired by Colorado and was in consideration for Texas.

That 1995 Barnett team was probably the best NW team of all time, an absolute thunderbolt out of nowhere.  But everything about Fitz's total resume at Northwestern completely eclipses both Walker and Barnett, it's not even a debate without a bias pushing the agenda.

Again, how you feel about the hazing colors the argument but I was speaking to specific on field results.  Fitz had bad/underachieving 2 year stretches followed by a great year multiple times in his career.  That last 1-11 team still had multiple young future NFL players that helped them to 8-5 the next year and he got a MAJOR DC hire to finally replace Hankwitz after a few years.    But I get it, you feel the hazing should have banned him from coaching forever and thus he's only rehired cause he's white (cause we really needed another thread to go there) not cause his resume could have gotten the MSU job easily anytime post Dantonio. At least be honest about it.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 07:37:08 PMFreshman know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette. Nigel is the first Freshman to start for Shaka so I don't think it would be even a little bit of a surprise to see him turn back to Sean.

We shall see soon enough.

It would be a surprise.

Quote from: JWags85 on November 30, 2025, 08:55:20 PMConvenient to go the last 4 years instead of a normal 5 cause that cuts out a year they went 8-1 in the B10 and Fitz won COY.

And yes his last 2 years were really bad but he won national COY in the 2020 going 7-2 (6-1).

The hazing situation, regardless of his legal absolution, is an understandable black cloud to the hiring.  But chalking him up as another "white retread" because of those last 2 years (when any other 3-4 year snapshot of his time at NW captures really good results for the job) is an absurd underselling of the coaching he did at one of the most unwinnable jobs in the country historically.

And of course MSU fans are mad.  They are delusional about their place in the B10/CFB world and have been since Saban left.  They weren't happy when Dantonio was hired either.

He had 1 whole conference win in 3 of his last 4 years. That's an entire recruiting cycle. And he oversaw Hazing U.

Barnett won a lot at Northwestern, Walker did A-OK, and yes, Coach Hazy did well before the wheels fell off, too. Since the mid-90s, NW hasn't been the Rick Venturi Mildcats.

You're doing an absurd overselling of Fitzgerald's extreme fade at the end of his run. Not just 2 years. 3 of 4 + Hazing.