Quote from: wisblue on December 04, 2025, 08:29:54 PMYou're missing my point.

I'm not saying that this collection of players should try to set up more midrange shots. I'm saying that the fact that they don't have players with jump shots makes the offense very easy to defend.

That's a criticism of recruiting.

Given the things these players can and can't do,they are largely stuck with an offense that's going to rely on 3 point shooting, and they're not very good at it.

If the staff had been able to recruit a couple of jump shooters in the senior, junior, and sophomore classes, maybe they wouldn't be in the bind they are now.

Yes, we need more good shooters.

Hearing there's an influx of season ticket price requests coming from Mequon once the Giannis trade rumors hit

Quote from: Pakuni on December 04, 2025, 08:33:52 PMYeah, of course. The Valpo game only further confirmed my belief that winning important games isn't in the cards this season and the remaining schedule should be about building and developing the roster for next year and beyond. That includes deciding who should and shouldn't be part of the team next year and beyond.
Unlike some players who haven't been glued to the bench, I still think DO has a shot at being a Big East-caliber player. Doesn't mean he will be - he may very well continue to stink - but there's a plausible scenario in which it happens.

If you could convince me that burying DO on the bench significantly improves this team's chances of knocking off Bucky or Purdue, or making a run in the Big East, then by all means, bury him. But I don't believe that's true. That being the case, I'd give him more run. It's not going to make a difference in this year's outcome anyhow.
If he remains bad, he remains bad. It's not like Zaide or Phillips are out there killing it.

I mean DO's been out there and has largely looked bad. Why should he get any more minutes than he has?

Quote from: We R Final Four on December 04, 2025, 05:37:50 PMStill think he should be getting more opportunities?

Yeah, of course. The Valpo game only further confirmed my belief that winning important games isn't in the cards this season and the remaining schedule should be about building and developing the roster for next year and beyond. That includes deciding who should and shouldn't be part of the team next year and beyond.
Unlike some players who haven't been glued to the bench, I still think DO has a shot at being a Big East-caliber player. Doesn't mean he will be - he may very well continue to stink - but there's a plausible scenario in which it happens.

If you could convince me that burying DO on the bench significantly improves this team's chances of knocking off Bucky or Purdue, or making a run in the Big East, then by all means, bury him. But I don't believe that's true. That being the case, I'd give him more run. It's not going to make a difference in this year's outcome anyhow.
If he remains bad, he remains bad. It's not like Zaide or Phillips are out there killing it.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 07:25:28 PMChrist, this team can't score on the good looks from three or open shots at the rim we do get and we're worried about mid-range? FFS if we can't make the easy, high-value shots the last thing we want to do is try to open up the parts of the floor where no one regularly hits much more than 0.8 points per shot.

You're missing my point.

I'm not saying that this collection of players should try to set up more midrange shots. I'm saying that the fact that they don't have players with jump shots makes the offense very easy to defend.

That's a criticism of recruiting.

Given the things these players can and can't do,they are largely stuck with an offense that's going to rely on 3 point shooting, and they're not very good at it.

If the staff had been able to recruit a couple of jump shooters in the senior, junior, and sophomore classes, maybe they wouldn't be in the bind they are now.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 04, 2025, 07:50:10 PMWho the F cares!  We should all be focused on a wide range of strategies to beat them and salvage at least a infinitesimal crumb of the season.

I might do that if I had any chance to have an impact on the outcome.

^^ Maybe... but I'm leaning toward I'm fine with taking flyers on a guy or two.

The difference is, when it obviously is a miss we need to accept, admit and adjust. I think that may be our largest issue.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 04, 2025, 07:45:21 PMI don't think it's a priority for this team. It's more of a concern for teams that are bordering on elite than one in MU's position.

It's not about taking more than a couple of midrange shots per game. It's about changing the geometry of the floor. If you don't have to be guarded in midrange then you're not going to be a threat to pass from that area either. You don't have to actually take the shots but you have to be able to make them. Oso for example wouldn't have been nearly as effective of a passer if his defender didn't have to respect him from 8-12 feet with his hooks and floaters.

But this team has far more basic issues so they don't need to worry about that.

Agreed

Who the F cares!  We should all be focused on a wide range of strategies to beat them and salvage at least aninfinitesimal crumb of the season.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 04, 2025, 07:25:28 PMChrist, this team can't score on the good looks from three or open shots at the rim we do get and we're worried about mid-range? FFS if we can't make the easy, high-value shots the last thing we want to do is try to open up the parts of the floor where no one regularly hits much more than 0.8 points per shot.

I don't think it's a priority for this team. It's more of a concern for teams that are bordering on elite than one in MU's position.

It's not about taking more than a couple of midrange shots per game. It's about changing the geometry of the floor. If you don't have to be guarded in midrange then you're not going to be a threat to pass from that area either. You don't have to actually take the shots but you have to be able to make them. Oso for example wouldn't have been nearly as effective of a passer if his defender didn't have to respect him from 8-12 feet with his hooks and floaters.

But this team has far more basic issues so they don't need to worry about that.