Quote from: Warrior of Law on December 20, 2025, 10:48:31 PMI'm not suggesting 1979 was bad, that's as far as I go back. Even the worst MU teams of all-time had some talent. This is the worst MU team in my lifetime. Any of the below average teams of the 80-90s would be better.

Understood.  I misread.

Quote from: Warrior of Law on Today at 06:23:29 AMWinning with Ross and Gold is not happening. Getting minutes for anyone that has a future should be the priority. What's the difference between losing by 25 or 35? Play freshman and consider pulling redshirts.

Agree.  What has happened to Ross? He plays with zero confidence. Same with Lowery. This team has imp!oded. There's no senior leadership. Hell, I'd play James, stevens, Owens, Parham and Clark.

I think the only guy who might depart on his own without being "cut" is Parham.  Could see him making a lateral move to a lesser P5 school where he would make the same money he does at Marquette while getting the chance to play a bigger role on the team.  He's shown enough flashes for someone to take a flyer.

Winning with Ross and Gold is not happening. Getting minutes for anyone that has a future should be the priority. What's the difference between losing by 25 or 35? Play freshman and consider pulling redshirts.

Quote from: Johnny B on Today at 03:25:50 AMYes he's been awful but he's still the best overall player on the team. Seems pointless to take him out the SL. And start who? Owens  ? Norman? Get real. Ben on the other hand absolutely. Glad he doesn't play much now. Failure of a senior year

More like a failure of the G in RGV

Tom Petty." I'm free fallin"

Would have to go back to Ed Hickeys era, maybe his last season. Back in those days we did have Don Kojis who was a stud. But as I recall, his last year was like 5-21. Too lazy to look it up and get a bad memory.
Something definitely needs to have a significant emotional event to get this stuff to change now. Saw the team going downhill last year but did not fathom it would be this bad. The gap is now a chasm and really don't see much to change it. Might as well play the young guys now to let them grow. Probably too late, but bring some of the redshirt out.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 20, 2025, 09:41:15 PMIs this the worst MU team in our history?  I've heard nightmares about Dukiet. 

This is Dukiet part 2. It is a Dukiet Do Over. Only thing different is that the talent .right now is allegedly better.
I used to send letters to the AD back then, and one day I actually got a responding letter saying a change had been made.
This is easily the worst team since then, although in fairness, the competition is significantly better now.
MU has devolved into a low major and is now becoming a cupcake on opponents schedule. There is no question about that

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 20, 2025, 07:51:41 PMWrong

The advanced stats don't matter much when the number in the W column is lower than the number in the L column.
Fact is, MU offense is too easy to defend and doesn't create easy buckets.  How many easy buckets did Creighton have vs. MU?  Those come from a system.

There's one kid to protect and that's Nigel.
Stevens probably as well.
No-one else among the returnees is a Big East starter, in the context of MU being in the top 3 in the BEAST and top 25 in the nation.  (my expectation -every year)
Maybe Parham can develop to a competent 6th man who might get more minutes than a starter when he's having a good day.
The others:  buhbye