Quote from: The Sultan on February 23, 2026, 04:06:13 PMOh.

So you have no f*cking clue what "scam" actually means. Let me enlighten you. People aren't getting cheated out of their money. They aren't getting tricked into paying for things. (At most places.)

College is a high cost investment that people make hope that it makes their lives better - financially and otherwise. It is not a guaranty by any means, and many families can't cash flow it easily, and that's where problems arise.

I am all on board for having conversations about why college costs so much, and how we as a society can make it more affordable. But using phrases like "scam" quickly seperate those who engage in serious thought from those who just say sh*t. To no one's surprise, you seem firmly in the latter category.

Quote from: Jay Bee on February 23, 2026, 05:43:44 PMComing from the same ze who thinks 8 yo's chopping their dils off is cool. 


But, if we bring everything together - gender reassignment, voting, college decisions, and many other things - and talk about what is too young or too old, can have that discussion.

#FreeMarquette

Oh look the resident idiot nazi.

Just because I believe that your a nazi, and trump is a 2nd hitler, doesn't mean I agree that with everything on the left side. I also absolutely agree that 12 year olds shouldn't be having gender reassignment surgeries or hormone blockers.

However, one of these is an INSANELY niche thing, that effects a very small portion of our population, and another effects pretty much every 18 year old.

We can focus on just the college.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2026, 05:49:24 PMDo you also believe America's classrooms are stocked with kitty litter?

Just at TCU

Quote from: hawk on February 23, 2026, 05:59:27 PMI thnk that for certain Shaka grabs a strting center from the portal.  That is the major need.  If Jones or Norman go then a reliable point guard is also a need.  After that I'm pretty ggod with the roster.  I thnk Philips is a keeper.  Like Parham he is getting big minutes in every game and is learning a ton.  He has a good frame and can shoot.  Owens shows flashes and another summer to work on his game could be transformative.  I realize that most everyone wants to see Hamilton leave the program but I think that is a wrong position.  You can't have 15 starters, you need some experienced fodder as well.  I just don't see this team as a waste, I tjhink there are some really nice players that are just too young.  With a strting center from the portal I don't see much trouble winning 18 or 19 games next season and MU getting a bid.

...and some here say a 21-5 Nova team is a fraud. I think we'll need more than that to get a bid.

I thnk that for certain Shaka grabs a strting center from the portal.  That is the major need.  If Jones or Norman go then a reliable point guard is also a need.  After that I'm pretty ggod with the roster.  I thnk Philips is a keeper.  Like Parham he is getting big minutes in every game and is learning a ton.  He has a good frame and can shoot.  Owens shows flashes and another summer to work on his game could be transformative.  I realize that most everyone wants to see Hamilton leave the program but I think that is a wrong position.  You can't have 15 starters, you need some experienced fodder as well.  I just don't see this team as a waste, I tjhink there are some really nice players that are just too young.  With a strting center from the portal I don't see much trouble winning 18 or 19 games next season and MU getting a bid.

Quote from: Jay Bee on February 23, 2026, 05:43:44 PMComing from the same ze who thinks 8 yo's chopping their dils off is cool. 

Do you also believe America's classrooms are stocked with kitty litter?

Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 23, 2026, 03:10:52 PMYup, totally not a scam. Books that cost $400 each, with a new version out every year, that you need, so no 2nd hand.

40k Tuition per year. But you can take out a loan that you'll be paying off for the next 30 years. At 18, you make that decision.

Room and board exploded, another loan for that.

Oh and BTW, https://educationdata.org/college-enrollment-statistics Everyone now GOES to college. Around 2012, it was basically just another four years of high school, now grad school is the real college. Oh btw, another 20k per year...

Just a bit out of touch here sultan. But that doesn't shock anyone.

Oooh, noooo! The poor 18 year olds making that decision.

Coming from the same ze who thinks 8 yo's chopping their dils off is cool. 

I certainly believe college is not for everyone and a lot of bad decisions are made (both where people attend and the major(s)/coursework selected are often a bad decision), but I don't have much sympathy for the 'they're too young and don't know what they are doing -- you tricked them!' re: 18 year olds.

But, if we bring everything together - gender reassignment, voting, college decisions, and many other things - and talk about what is too young or too old, can have that discussion.

#FreeMarquette

https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic

This is long .. the summary is:  Total doom.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 21, 2026, 07:40:24 PMMy parents took out a PLUS loan back in the day.  We're all good.  Thanks!

* it's only risky if your children are dumb.

"The cash-strapped families often have little choice but to take out these risky loans."

Well, there's the choice to go to UWGB, Lacrosse, UWM, Madison, Minnesota, St. Cloud State, Mankato, Duluth, etc at in-state tuition rates if the student is a Wisconsin or Minnesota resident. Or, there's the choice to attend Marquette.

Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 21, 2026, 02:03:42 PMGood old pell grant. Went to state school for free. Enjoy those loans losers!

Today, a maximum Pell Grant wouldn't cover a semester of FT tuition at Buckyville.

I was fortunate to only had to take out minimal loans for undergrad (and my parents did take out PLUS loans), but I did have to take out larger loans for grad school. I was fully aware that my choice of school had financial consequences. The day I paid them off was such a feeling of accomplishment. I bought myself a Midleton Very Rare to celebrate.

Quote from: JWags85 on February 23, 2026, 03:55:55 PMGood to have you back shoothoops!

Ah, now THAT explains everything.