Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 10:14:06 PMHe had 1 whole conference win in 3 of his last 4 years. That's an entire recruiting cycle. And he oversaw Hazing U.

Barnett won a lot at Northwestern, Walker did A-OK, and yes, Coach Hazy did well before the wheels fell off, too. Since the mid-90s, NW hasn't been the Rick Venturi Mildcats.

You're doing an absurd overselling of Fitzgerald's extreme fade at the end of his run. Not just 2 years. 3 of 4 + Hazing.

Randy Walker was 37-46 and had 1 season over .500...definitely A-OK. Gary Barnett was 35-45, had 2 really good years and then faded. Had 2x as many 3 or less win seasons as winning years in 7 years in Evanston. Definitely won A LOT. His last year he was 0-8 in the B10 and still got hired by Colorado and was in consideration for Texas.

That 1995 Barnett team was probably the best NW team of all time, an absolute thunderbolt out of nowhere.  But everything about Fitz's total resume at Northwestern completely eclipses both Walker and Barnett, it's not even a debate without a bias pushing the agenda.

Again, how you feel about the hazing colors the argument but I was speaking to specific on field results.  Fitz had bad/underachieving 2 year stretches followed by a great year multiple times in his career.  That last 1-11 team still had multiple young future NFL players that helped them to 8-5 the next year and he got a MAJOR DC hire to finally replace Hankwitz after a few years.    But I get it, you feel the hazing should have banned him from coaching forever and thus he's only rehired cause he's white (cause we really needed another thread to go there) not cause his resume could have gotten the MSU job easily anytime post Dantonio. At least be honest about it.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 07:37:08 PMFreshman know what they are signing up for when they come to Marquette. Nigel is the first Freshman to start for Shaka so I don't think it would be even a little bit of a surprise to see him turn back to Sean.

We shall see soon enough.

It would be a surprise.

Quote from: JWags85 on November 30, 2025, 08:55:20 PMConvenient to go the last 4 years instead of a normal 5 cause that cuts out a year they went 8-1 in the B10 and Fitz won COY.

And yes his last 2 years were really bad but he won national COY in the 2020 going 7-2 (6-1).

The hazing situation, regardless of his legal absolution, is an understandable black cloud to the hiring.  But chalking him up as another "white retread" because of those last 2 years (when any other 3-4 year snapshot of his time at NW captures really good results for the job) is an absurd underselling of the coaching he did at one of the most unwinnable jobs in the country historically.

And of course MSU fans are mad.  They are delusional about their place in the B10/CFB world and have been since Saban left.  They weren't happy when Dantonio was hired either.

He had 1 whole conference win in 3 of his last 4 years. That's an entire recruiting cycle. And he oversaw Hazing U.

Barnett won a lot at Northwestern, Walker did A-OK, and yes, Coach Hazy did well before the wheels fell off, too. Since the mid-90s, NW hasn't been the Rick Venturi Mildcats.

You're doing an absurd overselling of Fitzgerald's extreme fade at the end of his run. Not just 2 years. 3 of 4 + Hazing.

Quote from: GB Warrior on November 30, 2025, 06:52:40 PMThe state of Utah witnessed enough of Kyle Kuzma to decide that outsourcing was an economic net-positive

Unfortunately their main traditional now is also a socialist 🚫

Quote from: The Sultan on November 30, 2025, 05:41:23 PMWhat's odd is that player compensation has anything to do with one's interest as a fan.

When players play for a paycheck instead of a school, it's not the same game to me.

When you see that UK has a roster receiving over $20 million (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/mens-basketball/2025/10/16/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-roster-cost-20-million/86732570007/), what is your expectation for MU? Shouldn't one's expectations be commensurate with the team's payroll?

Is this surprising? I felt like they didn't have a shot

Edit: looks like it was expected and I'm just out of the loop

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 30, 2025, 04:52:45 PMThe guy I'm conversing with spelled 'What'... 'Wut' so it doesn't seem too important.

Wut?

Starting no Matta

Quote from: MU82 on November 30, 2025, 06:18:42 PMThere always seems to be another coaching offer for white retreads. Even those who went 14-31 over their last four seasons, including 9-25 in the conference, and were forced to leave in disgrace.

Convenient to go the last 4 years instead of a normal 5 cause that cuts out a year they went 8-1 in the B10 and Fitz won COY.

And yes his last 2 years were really bad but he won national COY in the 2020 going 7-2 (6-1).

The hazing situation, regardless of his legal absolution, is an understandable black cloud to the hiring.  But chalking him up as another "white retread" because of those last 2 years (when any other 3-4 year snapshot of his time at NW captures really good results for the job) is an absurd underselling of the coaching he did at one of the most unwinnable jobs in the country historically.

And of course MSU fans are mad.  They are delusional about their place in the B10/CFB world and have been since Saban left.  They weren't happy when Dantonio was hired either.

Quote from: BCHoopster on November 30, 2025, 08:44:25 PMMU is spending 6 this year

Yikes