This, and a bigger bag of money.

Quote from: panda on November 21, 2025, 07:46:58 PMThe v part of rgv

Quote from: Viper on Today at 10:41:36 AMwe see a trend. You see it too. It's worrisome. Hence, we bitch. Btw, you make Marquette seem like a MAC school. Small alumni base? Maybe compared to most state schools. But MU has a solid base, justified basketball and dental school 😉 swagger , and plenty of ca$h.

Size of the alumni base isn't irrelevant, but the alumni base's interest/investment is far more important. MU ranked 9th in the nation in attendance last year. That's a far more important stat thanhow many kids graduated last year. UCF graduates about 15,000 undergrads a year, to MU's 1,500. But I bet MU graduates more kids every year who care a lot about their alma mater's basketball team.

Quote from: MUCam on Today at 10:51:47 AMSee, I have no problem with this criticism. I think it's a fair opinion with fair criticism. And, yes, this is high major basketball. He either cuts it or he doesn't; that'll determine his playing time.

The increase in scholarships allows coaches to keep guys around that might not otherwise be around (assuming those guys want to stick around), even if they can't cut it at the high major level. I like that. It allows coaches to be loyal to players in the same way we expect the players to be loyal to Marquette (woe be the player that leaves Marquette, for the barrage of negativity we sling at them).

Being loyal to the guys that maybe don't "cut it" makes receiving loyalty from those that excel much easier. We are loyal through and through.

But that's a different discussion, admittedly. People aren't saying Caedin should be run off (although they're getting quite close). They are questioning if he should be on the floor. Thats a fair question given what we have seen so far.

But do we have to discard him like yesterday's trash and write him off completely? I don't think so; yet that seems to be a common sentiment. As I said earlier, I like the kid's potential. It's not there yet. But he has shown some glimpses. Maybe he never comes around. Maybe he does. But I like the loyalty of sticking with him either way while he works through it. It sure paid off for us with Oso. You don't need to look far to see the people that questioned whether he (or Stevie Mitchell or countless others) was D-1 material early on.

Hopefully I'm right. But if I'm wrong, I hope Caedin continues to be a part of Marquette in whatever level his skill allows as long as he continues to be a hard worker, program stable, and great representative.

I have minimal issue carrying a project with the 15th spot on the roster.

Caedin is not that. He is starting on a high major roster. A position he has no business being in.

Once again, the rationale from those in support of him are completely irrational.

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 09:40:34 AMGeorgetown is much better this year.

Would be foolish to think Cooley wasn't going to get them to a decent level. I'm sure Providence fans are seething as it's kind of happening right in their face.

Quote from: panda on Today at 10:01:23 AMThere's a difference between a guy like Owens struggling and Hamilton.

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He seems like a good kid and hard worker but neither of that translates to a positive contributor to the team in the capacity which is currently asked of him.

This is a high major program not a make a wish deal.

See, I have no problem with this criticism. I think it's a fair opinion with fair criticism. And, yes, this is high major basketball. He either cuts it or he doesn't; that'll determine his playing time.

The increase in scholarships allows coaches to keep guys around that might not otherwise be around (assuming those guys want to stick around), even if they can't cut it at the high major level. I like that. It allows coaches to be loyal to players in the same way we expect the players to be loyal to Marquette (woe be the player that leaves Marquette, for the barrage of negativity we sling at them).

Being loyal to the guys that maybe don't "cut it" makes receiving loyalty from those that excel much easier. We are loyal through and through.

But that's a different discussion, admittedly. People aren't saying Caedin should be run off (although they're getting quite close). They are questioning if he should be on the floor. Thats a fair question given what we have seen so far.

But do we have to discard him like yesterday's trash and write him off completely? I don't think so; yet that seems to be a common sentiment. As I said earlier, I like the kid's potential. It's not there yet. But he has shown some glimpses. Maybe he never comes around. Maybe he does. But I like the loyalty of sticking with him either way while he works through it. It sure paid off for us with Oso. You don't need to look far to see the people that questioned whether he (or Stevie Mitchell or countless others) was D-1 material early on.

Hopefully I'm right. But if I'm wrong, I hope Caedin continues to be a part of Marquette in whatever level his skill allows as long as he continues to be a hard worker, program stable, and great representative.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 10:23:54 AMYes I do.  But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout.  However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it.  Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.

I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival.  And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.

So you'd be OK with the same criticism from a major donor. Got it.

You're either being disingenuous or simply not reading. The critiques of Shaka here aren't about the past six games. They're about the past 20, and the next 20 and the next 20 after that. It's not about a few ugly games, it's about a few ugly trends.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 10:23:54 AMYes I do.  But no, I did not fund Wojo's buyout.  However, it wouldn't have been nearly as large if our admin listened to me Year 1 of letting them know Wojo didn't have it.  Instead, an overzealous Admin extended his contract in Year 2 after the amazing performance of knocking off crappy LSU and ASU teams in the Preseason NIT.

I take offense to those bitching about Shaka 6 games into Year 5 after all he's done to turn MU around from the 10 year NCAA tournament win drought prior to his arrival.  And doing so while top players are getting paid $750K+/year..and coaching at a school that has a small alumni base as compared to the Power 4 schools.

we see a trend. You see it too. It's worrisome. Hence, we bitch. Btw, you make Marquette seem like a MAC school. Small alumni base? Maybe compared to most state schools. But MU has a solid base, justified basketball and dental school 😉 swagger , and plenty of ca$h.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on Today at 10:15:51 AMGot it. The kid was late to the game of basketball, and as I said - the game is moving a little too fast for him right now - but he has some things you can build on, and he's improving. Many Scoopers bitch about us never having a "banger" and Hamilton qualifies as that.

What makes Caedin a banger? He doesn't really protect the paint or rim. Doesn't block shots. Isn't a particularly good rebounder. I get that he's thick, but not sure what that translates to on the court.
The game is moving too fast for him is a reasonable excuse for a true freshman, not so much a player who's been in the program for three years.

Nothing against the kid. He seems like a good kid and hard worker, but he hasn't developed as we hoped.

Sent you two tickets this am

Quote from: MuggsyB on Today at 09:59:55 AMMuggsy could bench 375 lbs. He had a "44 inch vert.  His tenacity and intelligence on the court were unparalleled.  He made guys better and drove opposing guards insane because of his relentless pressure and ball hawking excellence.  Only Magic and Gary Payton could post him up.  Bob Wade stated he was the best player on the best hs team in history which had 4 pros and 10 D-1 players.  In one game he executed a 360 degree alley oop pass, which resulted in an emphatic flush by Reggie Williams.  The crowd erupted, the game literally had to be stopped for 10 mins, and the glee and awe from that move remained in the air for the rest of the game.  We're talking about a living legend, an inspiration, and the personification of heart and toughness.  You will see a 7 foot combination of Jordan, Jokic, Lebron, Curry, and Durant before we'll see another Muggsy.  One of one.  Stop disparaging him.

winner! Full stop.