Quote from: PointWarrior on Today at 12:05:49 AMThere meaning CSU or UConn?  And he plays basketball?  Is he going out for football?

Colorado State. He's only playing football there, tight end, but played basketball as well in high school and tore his ACL last year.

Quote from: hawk on November 26, 2025, 09:51:57 PMMU82 gets it.  I think it gets easy for a coach, especialy a good or successful one to think in terms a system and mold players into it wehther or not they fit it.  Hamilton should never lrave the paint.  He can't create his own shot but is effective around the basket.  For old guys like me think Pat Smith.  Gold needs to be fined if he does't take 15 3's a game.  I jist tjhink Shaka thinks every big in the world is Osso.  have to coach the players you have.  I think Shaka is getting close if next years freshmen is an indicater.  Need to play some bully ball

I hope Shaka doesn't get coaching advice like this.

He plays Hamilton and Gold nothing like Oso and nothing like one another.

Quote from: hawk on November 26, 2025, 09:51:57 PMMU82 gets it.  I think it gets easy for a coach, especialy a good or successful one to think in terms a system and mold players into it wehther or not they fit it.  Hamilton should never lrave the paint.  He can't create his own shot but is effective around the basket.  For old guys like me think Pat Smith.  Gold needs to be fined if he does't take 15 3's a game.  I jist tjhink Shaka thinks every big in the world is Osso.  have to coach the players you have.  I think Shaka is getting close if next years freshmen is an indicater.  Need to play some bully ball

Quote from: MU82 on Today at 12:13:02 AMI think it's possible that Shaka thought he was recruiting enough players who could play like he wants. Take Owens. Good athlete. Good shooter in HS. Showed some PG skills. 6-8 with good wing span for pressing. Recruited by lots of P5 schools, so it's not as if Shaka was the only one who saw the potential. But he just hasn't clicked yet for whatever reason. Parham - had a nice freshman year and even most Eeyores thought he was gonna be a player for us. But he hasn't taken that next step for whatever reason.

If the criticism is that Shaka has missed on HS evaluations and/or hasn't developed players well enough to fit the systems he wants to use AND that he refuses to use the portal to overcome some shortcomings, that's probably valid.

Still, the body of work has to mean something, no? If so, how much time does he get to prove what he's doing will work? If not, what? Fire him now? That seems drastic (and I'm not suggesting you're saying that).

I think one more year will show that - if this season pans out on its current trajectory and next year if the current frosh/soph don't take the leap and the incoming class isn't ready to go AND he doesn't go to the portal  probably time for a different path.

But a lot of ball between now and then - win the next four and it's a completely different narrative for this year, not to mention next.

Quote from: MuggsyB on November 24, 2025, 06:49:29 PMWe have to get more opportunities to beat good teams to have any chance of a NCAA tournament birth. 

I agree with that but with the OOC resume MU is probably going to have to go something like 15-5 in the Big East to even get into the bubble discussion.

At this point they have to show that they can beat a top 100 team before I can even think about the NCAA bubble. Even the lower teams in the Big East have looked better.

Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 26, 2025, 10:49:01 PMI think Hamilton and Clark both have a chance to be decent players as juniors and seniors. They were both projects but the trajectory has been good given where they started. To the extent there was a mistake it was expecting that they'd man the 5 spot this year. The best lineup is with Gold at the 5 and Parham at the 4 but neither is playing as well as I expected.

I generally agree with this, though I think Gold has been fine defensively when he's not running around near half court, and he's rebounding the best he has as a collegian. His lack of offensive progress has been disappointing. Parham has played with more aggressiveness the last couple of games but we need better all-around play from him.

Those who think Clark will never be a player might turn out to be tight, but IMHO it is way too early to say he'll never develop into one.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2025, 07:05:58 PMI appreciate your reply, but I think the old "apples and oranges" cliche' comes into play here, in the sense that you did not recruit your team, right? Jim Boeheim had his version of the zone defense that was the foundation of his Syracuse teams, and they played it exceptionally well. He once said that he recruited players who he thought could play defense the way he wanted them to, and added that he would "coach them up" to playing offense if that was necessary.

I remember Al McGuire once saying something along the lines of "I've got horses, so I'm going to let them run."

So... where is Shaka in this "coach the team you have, not the one you want?" Do they need to adapt to what he wants, or does he need to accept them with the talents (or lack thereof) that they have demonstrated? For now, let's try to avoid the answer "somewhere in between the two", even though that may be true. I'm interested in a debate between the two.

I think it's possible that Shaka thought he was recruiting enough players who could play like he wants. Take Owens. Good athlete. Good shooter in HS. Showed some PG skills. 6-8 with good wing span for pressing. Recruited by lots of P5 schools, so it's not as if Shaka was the only one who saw the potential. But he just hasn't clicked yet for whatever reason. Parham - had a nice freshman year and even most Eeyores thought he was gonna be a player for us. But he hasn't taken that next step for whatever reason.

If the criticism is that Shaka has missed on HS evaluations and/or hasn't developed players well enough to fit the systems he wants to use AND that he refuses to use the portal to overcome some shortcomings, that's probably valid.

Still, the body of work has to mean something, no? If so, how much time does he get to prove what he's doing will work? If not, what? Fire him now? That seems drastic (and I'm not suggesting you're saying that).

Predict an injury is his first game back.  It's the Detroit way...

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 26, 2025, 03:41:05 PMFrank Ragnow is coming out of retirement for the Lions.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6840886/2025/11/26/frank-ragnow-lions-retirement-comeback/?campaign=15861973&source=athletic_breaking_targeted_email&userId=675260

There meaning CSU or UConn?  And he plays basketball?  Is he going out for football?

Quote from: wadesworld on November 26, 2025, 04:28:33 PMA guy I play basketball with weekly has a son that redshirted his freshman year there this year after tearing his ACL during his senior high school basketball season.

Whatever happened to Qanon

Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 26, 2025, 10:56:01 PMThoughts and prayers

Trae young is in a hell of his own making