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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: TheyWereCones on February 22, 2020, 07:05:20 PM
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I'm just creating this post so Brew has a dedicated place to go on record over and over for several posts about how Wojo is just as dirty as LaVall Jordan because of how the Providence game ended (continuing to press and foul until the final buzzer even though the game was out of reach). We could have injured one of the Friars after all.
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I'm just creating this post so Brew has a dedicated place to go on record over and over for several posts about how Wojo is just as dirty as LaVall Jordan because of how the Providence game ended (continuing to press and foul until the final buzzer even though the game was out of reach). We could have injured one of the Friars after all.
I think brew was basing his off of multiple occurrences with Butler. Vs a one-off against Providence
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Markus and Wojo were truly in “all of it, all the time” mode the last two minutes. So much for MH not padding his stats in losses. And why the hell did Wojo call a timeout with like 15 seconds to go when they were down double digits? I guess maybe he wanted to remind himself what boos sound like so the Georgetown game won’t come as a shock.
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Markus and Wojo were truly in “all of it, all the time” mode the last two minutes. So much for MH not padding his stats in losses. And why the hell did Wojo call a timeout with like 15 seconds to go when they were down double digits? I guess maybe he wanted to remind himself what boos sound like so the Georgetown game won’t come as a shock.
trying to get it under 10 for NET purposes
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
I didn't think of the NET thing and that's a good point, but it sure felt like we were padding Markus' stats.
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
Correct.
Dignity is paramount. Or should be.
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Fxxk the NET and take the loss like a man. Win games and the NET is not an issue. It was a soft move by a soft coach. I jokingly said we should extend the game to Markus his points and then it happened. Give me a break. You play like crap for 39 minutes and then you extend the game.
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trying to get it under 10 for NET purposes
That’s what I figured. Doesn’t mean it’s not a loser move. I was actually glad when the Providence player stripped Markus at the very end to stop the farce.
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Guy's in over his head. Dude's gotta go.
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Silent
Markus might have made a game ending three pointer for a 40 point game. We were all cheated out of a historic memory.
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Silent
Markus might have made a game ending three Pinter for a 40 point game. We were all cheated out of a historic memory.
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Fxxk the NET and take the loss like a man. Win games and the NET is not an issue. It was a soft move by a soft coach. I jokingly said we should extend the game to Markus his points and then it happened. Give me a break. You play like crap for 39 minutes and then you extend the game.
I agree with you Goose, the NET thing was just a reason I hadn't thought of. I honestly thought we were just trying to pad Markus's stats. I was angry with the way we handled the end of the game.
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Fxxk the NET and take the loss like a man. Win games and the NET is not an issue. It was a soft move by a soft coach. I jokingly said we should extend the game to Markus his points and then it happened. Give me a break. You play like crap for 39 minutes and then you extend the game.
LOl payed to coach team to best position. So his hand is forced due to ncaa. Really you and Keefe know sh@t. Meat summit is for the weak.
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News
Then play like a top twenty team the first 39 minutes. That was a joke and should be mocked. Worst part, they lost by more by extending the game.
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News
Then play like a top twenty team the first 39 minutes. That was a joke and should be mocked. Worst part, they lost by more by extending the game.
Your knowledge of all this is terrible. You have no idea.
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News
The last minute was embarrassing. You can jerk off over computer rankings all night long, but that was a bush league move by our HC.
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It was probably some horsecrap way to try and teach the team how to play for 40 minutes.
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News
The last minute was embarrassing. You can jerk off over computer rankings all night long, but that was a bush league move by our HC.
Dude YOU ARE EMBARRASSING!!!
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
Wojo is fast accumulating a lot of embarsassing moments in program history.
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Your knowledge of all this is terrible. You have no idea.
Sure, extending the game could’ve helped our NET if we got it under 10 or whatever. It was also a pathetic weak sauce move.
Was it the game at Creighton where they were blowing us out by like 25, and then McDermott put his walk ons in for the last two minutes but we kept going hard with our scholarship guys and cut it to 9? Again, I get we did it because NET, but also, pathetic weak sauce move.
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It was probably some horsecrap way to try and teach the team how to play for 40 minutes.
Unfortunately Wojo cant even teach them how to play for the first 8 minutes.
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Silent
There are folks on here that get wood over a nine point loss against a Q1 team on a neutral court. I really think they could skip watching the game and wait for the computer print out. We sucked today if we lost by one or hundred and one.
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
Correct.
Dignity is paramount. Or should be.
“An embarrassing moment in program history?”
Lol! Talk about soft...
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Was Cooley playing dirty and a disgrace, because he not only kept his starters in but was putting on a full-court press up double digits, even before we started fouling?
It's basketball. It is all about getting into the NCAA tournament and that means a higher NET rating. Cooley had on the full court press for the same reason Wojo played hard to the end.
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LOl payed to coach team to best position. So his hand is forced due to ncaa. Really you and Keefe know sh@t. Meat summit is for the weak.
in the end, our net means squat! the way we're playing, it's like cheating the net. oh boy, we get a 6 seed instead of a 7 then promptly get our asses handed to us buy the 12 ?
at least earn your spot b/c in the end, the cream rises to the top
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Wadesworld
It was a low point. If you cannot play like an NCAA team for 39 minutes take your lumps and deliver the next four games. That was a poor decision by the HC.
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Wadesworld
It was a low point. If you cannot play like an NCAA team for 39 minutes take your lumps and deliver the next four games. That was a poor decision by the HC.
Yeah I was much more embarrassed about how they played overall than a timeout with the game out of reach.
But sure. Low point in the 103 year history of MU basketball is a random timeout in a road game mid conference season.
We’ve certainly had it good boys and girls.
Lol.
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Funny if we don't do it and NET goes South then you all will say how the coach is not doing his job. The hypocrisy here is amazing.
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Sure, extending the game could’ve helped our NET if we got it under 10 or whatever.
Or whatever?
This explains h
This thread perfectly.
Idiots.
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Silent
There are folks on here that get wood over a nine point loss against a Q1 team on a neutral court. I really think they could skip watching the game and wait for the computer print out. We sucked today if we lost by one or hundred and one.
Wrong. I'm pissed about outcome but need to do all possible for best outcome NCAA tournament. Plain and simple. Terrible game....
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Wadesworld
It was not the low point, but not one to be proud of. I would never pull that stunt to help on NET ratings. I would much rather win the next four by average of 20 points than pull a stunt like today.
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Was Cooley playing dirty and a disgrace, because he not only kept his starters in but was putting on a full-court press up double digits, even before we started fouling?
It's basketball. It is all about getting into the NCAA tournament and that means a higher NET rating. Cooley had on the full court press for the same reason Wojo played hard to the end.
These people don't understand the new evaluation rules....
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News
The coach is not doing his job if we get in or not. Any half ass team will get in this year.
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Silent
There are folks on here that get wood over a nine point loss against a Q1 team on a neutral court. I really think they could skip watching the game and wait for the computer print out. We sucked today if we lost by one or hundred and one.
LOL
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News
The coach is not doing his job if we get in or not. Any half ass team will get in this year.
Boy you lack knowledge....
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LOL
Yeah, he has no clue and he is younger than me.
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Silent
There are folks on here that get wood over a nine point loss against a Q1 team on a neutral court. I really think they could skip watching the game and wait for the computer print out. We sucked today if we lost by one or hundred and one.
You then have no idea how this works.
If you are about to lose the game....and the loss is inevitable...you do whatever you can to make the loss have the least impact on your season’s end of year resume. It’s not that hard to understand.
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in the end, our net means squat! the way we're playing, it's like cheating the net. oh boy, we get a 6 seed instead of a 7 then promptly get our asses handed to us buy the 12 ?
at least earn your spot b/c in the end, the cream rises to the top
6 seeds play 12 seeds this year?
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Final Four
No crap I know how it works. I also know they looked like a high school team today and you let the clock run out. Play like an NCAA team moving forward and everything is fine.
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in the end, our net means squat! the way we're playing, it's like cheating the net. oh boy, we get a 6 seed instead of a 7 then promptly get our asses handed to us buy the 12 ?
at least earn your spot b/c in the end, the cream rises to the top
math is not your strong suit. Waiting for that famous 6 12 matchup. I kid because I care
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You then have no idea how this works.
If you are about to lose the game....and the loss is inevitable...you do whatever you can to make the loss have the least impact on your season’s end of year resume. It’s not that hard to understand.
Yeah he doesn't understand how the new selection rules work. Lot of people here don't understand. Not just about wins and loses any longer.
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What do you really think about wojo willie
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Wadesworld
It was not the low point, but not one to be proud of. I would never pull that stunt to help on NET ratings. I would much rather win the next four by average of 20 points than pull a stunt like today.
It really wasn’t that big of a deal. Calm down.
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Final Four
No crap I know how it works. I also know they looked like a high school team today and you let the clock run out. Play like an NCAA team moving forward and everything is fine.
Obviously you don't know how it works....
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Wadesworld
I would much rather win the next four by average of 20 points than pull a stunt like today.
Uh, yeah, I think everyone would rather do that. In the grand scheme of things, its not a big deal. We get it that you dislike Markus, and Wojo.
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lawdog
How do you equate my feelings for Wojo and Howard over winning the next four by 20? I would like Wojo a ton more if we win the next four by 20 than the stunt today. That was a desperate move.
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Low point of the program is when our coach took a timeout at the end of a game while losing?
Meanwhile, MU was on the front page of newspapers for sexual assault.
Okay...
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lawdog
How do you equate my feelings for Wojo and Howard over winning the next four by 20? I would like Wojo a ton more if we win the next four by 20 than the stunt today. That was a desperate move.
you misread my intentions there. I thought you were being Captain Obvious by stating you would rather win the next 4 by 20 than do that "stunt". Who wouldn't. Your dislike of the Markus Wojo combo is pretty evident. Listen, I am not in the practices or the huddles, but it just feels like to me that other players need to be more assertive on the offensive end.
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lawdog
I think Howard is a very good player and someone that will be remembered fondly for years by any knowledgeable MU fan. My only gripe on him is the stupid GOAT threads.
As for Wojo, my thoughts have not changed over past three years, he is in over his head if MU wants to have a real basketball program.
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lawdog
I think Howard is a very good player and someone that will be remembered fondly for years by any knowledgeable MU fan. My only gripe on him is the stupid GOAT threads.
As for Wojo, my thoughts have not changed over past three years, he is in over his head if MU wants to have a real basketball program.
IMO, Markus is the greatest offensive talent MU has ever had. He has destroyed the record books.
I am turning into a NOJO more and more each day.
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IMO, Markus is the greatest offensive talent MU has ever had. He has destroyed the record books.
I am turning into a NOJO more and more each day.
Wade or Novak are the greatest. The game was just a lot different 18 years ago.
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Wade or Novak are the greatest. The game was just a lot different 18 years ago.
IMO Wade or Lee were the two best All Around players, but honestly Wade couldnt shout outside of 15 feet. Novak might have been the best pure shooter, but he was limited offensively as well.
I am done for the week. I am approaching Chicos like numbers today. Peace
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IMO Wade or Lee were the two best All Around players, but honestly Wade couldnt shout outside of 15 feet. Novak might have been the best pure shooter, but he was limited offensively as well.
I am done for the week. I am approaching Chicos like numbers today. Peace
Wade didnt shoot outside of 15 feet because he didn't learn to. If he was a player in 2020 theres no doubt in my mind he would have a killer 3 point shot.
Have to remember that things like EFG and taking long distance shots are a relatively new theory
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IMO Wade or Lee were the two best All Around players, but honestly Wade couldnt shout outside of 15 feet. Novak might have been the best pure shooter, but he was limited offensively as well.
I am done for the week. I am approaching Chicos like numbers today. Peace
Cmon....just change your screen name and post under multiple account aliases...then you would be Chicos-like.
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Wade or Novak are the greatest. The game was just a lot different 18 years ago.
Novak??? Put down the crack pipe.
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The timeouts were a joke. That was an embarrassing moment in program history.
LOL
Having MU the front page of the Chicago tribune with rape allegations and how we handled it was embarrassing moment in program history.
Calling a timeout late in a game is hardly one.
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Guy's in over his head. Dude's gotta go.
I hope he does, takes every recruit and the next non unicorn takes five years until you all eject him, too.
Going to be awesome....can you feel it?
I don’t really hope this, but maybe the unicorn fantasies with some would finally be buried.
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I hope he does, takes every recruit and the next non unicorn takes five years until you all eject him, too.
Going to be awesome....can you feel it?
I don’t really hope this, but maybe the unicorn fantasies with some would finally be buried.
Do glad your ego is so big you would rather marquette be bad then be wrong. Also 1 more loss till the big 200
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Cmon....just change your screen name and post under multiple account aliases...then you would be Chicos-like.
LOL....oh sweetie
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Do glad your ego is so big you would rather marquette be bad then be wrong. Also 1 more loss till the big 200
He's no fan of Marquette University.
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Was Cooley playing dirty and a disgrace, because he not only kept his starters in but was putting on a full-court press up double digits, even before we started fouling?
It's basketball. It is all about getting into the NCAA tournament and that means a higher NET rating. Cooley had on the full court press for the same reason Wojo played hard to the end.
Yep. That’s the bottom line. Some posters here are really off the wall.
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Do glad your ego is so big you would rather marquette be bad then be wrong. Also 1 more loss till the big 200
No, I just don’t want to start over again like you guys do.
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He's no fan of Marquette University.
Right...that’s why I am paying $30k a year right now to the school and typically attend several games a year despite living in So Cal....right. Good Lord.
No, I just don’t want to start over again and laugh at the knee jerk nonsense in losing three games to teams no one should be surprised we lost to. Two in the road to good teams, one at home to arguably a top ten team in the country. The pants pissing here remains incredible.
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Right...that’s why I am paying $30k a year right now to the school and typically attend several games a year despite living in So Cal....right. Good Lord.
No, I just don’t want to start over again and laugh at the knee jerk nonsense in losing three games to teams no one should be surprised we lost to. Two in the road to good teams, one at home to arguably a top ten team in the country. The pants pissing here remains incredible.
Whatever.
Personally, I want Wojo back next next year.
The fact that you believe that if Wojo leaves or gets fired will virtually be the end of MU basketball shows you know nothing about the program or the great university that is Marquette.
Agreed to disagree. Enjoy you day.
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Whatever.
Personally, I want Wojo back next next year.
The fact that you believe that if Wojo leaves or gets fired will virtually be the end of MU basketball shows you know nothing about the program or the great university that is Marquette.
Agreed to disagree. Enjoy you day.
You were the one who said I wasn't a fan of Marquette University....which is an off the wall ridiculous statement. Don't come at me with "whatever".
Did I say if Wojo leaves (could happen, wouldn't blame him) or gets fired (not going to happen) means the end of MU basketball....also a completely false statement. I do, however, believe it means further delaying stability which is an absolute fact. Throw in this stupidity about free agency nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster.
Enjoy your day and if you could please stop with lying about what people haven't said...thanks.
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Novak....greatest
da fuq you say
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Cheeks
Why would you not blame Wojo for leaving? How do you come up with this stuff?
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I would assume Jamie means that he would not blame him for going to a program where averaging 21 wins a year for 5 years with a top 10 class coming in is considered something to be appreciated, not reason for termination.
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I would assume Jamie means that he would not blame him for going to a program where averaging 21 wins a year for 5 years with a top 10 class coming in is considered something to be appreciated, not reason for termination.
Yeah I didn’t find that hard to follow at all.
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You were the one who said I wasn't a fan of Marquette University....which is an off the wall ridiculous statement. Don't come at me with "whatever".
Did I say if Wojo leaves (could happen, wouldn't blame him) or gets fired (not going to happen) means the end of MU basketball....also a completely false statement. I do, however, believe it means further delaying stability which is an absolute fact. Throw in this stupidity about free agency nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster.
Enjoy your day and if you could please stop with lying about what people haven't said...thanks.
If Wojo leaves because a couple yahoos on Scoop want him gone and some drunken students called him a cuck and boo at the beginning of games, it’d make him the softest coach in the business. Or, as he might say in a post game presser, “one of the softest coaches in the United States.”
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Cheeks
Why would you not blame Wojo for leaving? How do you come up with this stuff?
If I was being booed and people were pissing on the best player to come through MU in quite some time, all while taking the program to the tournament 3 of 4 years and the best recruiting class in years coming next...I can do that elsewhere and not freeze my arse off with people waiting for Al’s ghost to walk through the door.
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If Wojo leaves because a couple yahoos on Scoop want him gone and some drunken students called him a cuck and boo at the beginning of games, it’d make him the softest coach in the business. Or, as he might say in a post game presser, “one of the softest coaches in the United States.”
It would be more than just a couple of yahoos....it’s the overall nonsense. The same one other coaches at MU have told me about when I worked there and after I left. We are overly entitled and stuck on what happened a long time ago. It’s a very good job, but people don’t stay because when you win it isn’t enough and people start getting that tingle down their leg....anD if you don’t win enough then you are out anyway. As one coach told me years ago....it’s a blessing and a curse that a number of other programs don’t have. You become a victim of any success you create.
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Which I believe is the reason that Parrish gave for Buzz leaving.
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Which I believe is the reason that Parrish gave for Buzz leaving.
Al McGuire said it himself in 1976... our fans are what they are.
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It would be more than just a couple of yahoos....it’s the overall nonsense. The same one other coaches at MU have told me about when I worked there and after I left. We are overly entitled and stuck on what happened a long time ago. It’s a very good job, but people don’t stay because when you win it isn’t enough and people start getting that tingle down their leg....anD if you don’t win enough then you are out anyway. As one coach told me years ago....it’s a blessing and a curse that a number of other programs don’t have. You become a victim of any success you create.
Please. Read any other college sports message board and you’ll find the same stuff you see on Scoop. Slurpers, haters, and people who take the middle ground. Our fan base is worse than some, not as bad as others.
All professions have things they gripe about. For instance, someone who works in advertising might moan about the ridiculous demands of a client. Service industry folks go on and on about how rude their customers can be. For coaches, fans are one of the many things they have to deal with, and probably often complain about to each other. What I’m trying to say is, your conversations with those coaches about the MU fan base are very likely not unique or special. They’re no different than a waiter complaining about a guy who sent his food back.
And if those coaches don’t like it, you know what? There’s *tons* of other guys willing to take a shot at a big job like the one they have for a fat salary like they’re getting. Wojo is lucky to be at Marquette. He’s not doing us a favor by coaching here.
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Tower
If you are correct, we should expect a ton of school’s chasing after our HC in a few weeks. With the resume you outlined I would assume every big job opening will be looking at Wojo. Good for him for putting himself in such a desirable place.
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Lavall Jordan pressed down 30 today against Creighton. Wouldn’t let Wojo outdo him
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Tower
If you are correct, we should expect a ton of school’s chasing after our HC in a few weeks. With the resume you outlined I would assume every big job opening will be looking at Wojo. Good for him for putting himself in such a desirable place.
If Herman is to be believed, Va Tech came sniffing last year. So, what programs in Power 5 conferences will have openings during the off-season? I suspect he will want to stay East (without any definitive reasons). So, ACC or SEC, plus Maryland. Then figure out what they want and how much they are willing to spend. It is certainly possible that one of the makes a serious run at Steve.
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If Herman is to be believed, Va Tech came sniffing last year. So, what programs in Power 5 conferences will have openings during the off-season? I suspect he will want to stay East (without any definitive reasons). So, ACC or SEC, plus Maryland. Then figure out what they want and how much they are willing to spend. It is certainly possible that one of the makes a serious run at Steve.
Wake Forest.
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Perhaps. If offered, does he go?
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Perhaps. If offered, does he go?
I believe he does. Goose has said it best all year. He can cash in another 4-6 years make millions and then he’s set.
Wojo whether you like him or not doesn’t have thick skin. He’s made it publicly known numerous times he has had issues with some fans and some of the press.
From what I see, he doesn’t seem to do well with criticism. I’d bet he darts
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You were the one who said I wasn't a fan of Marquette University....which is an off the wall ridiculous statement. Don't come at me with "whatever".
Did I say if Wojo leaves (could happen, wouldn't blame him) or gets fired (not going to happen) means the end of MU basketball....also a completely false statement. I do, however, believe it means further delaying stability which is an absolute fact. Throw in this stupidity about free agency nonsense and it's a recipe for disaster.
Enjoy your day and if you could please stop with lying about what people haven't said...thanks.
I said 'whatever' because you act like Wojo is the best MU could ever hope to have as a coach and these are the best results MU fans should ever hope for. You sound like the cry babies that said MU and the Big East were toast when SU, UofL, UConn, etc. left.
Stability in a program is great, but it is easy to have. Just never fire your coach. DePaul has stability. The Bengals had stability with Marvin Lewis. LA Clipper had stability with Elgin Baylor in charge from 1986-2008.
Also, please read my posts carefully when you use the term 'false statement', I said 'virtually' ... look it up, it's a material modifier of my statement.
Also, I made no reference to 'free agency', so I have no idea what you are talking about.
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I said 'whatever' because you act like Wojo is the best MU could ever hope to have as a coach and these are the best results MU fans should ever hope for. You sound like the cry babies that said MU and the Big East were toast when SU, UofL, UConn, etc. left.
Stability in a program is great, but it is easy to have. Just never fire your coach. DePaul has stability. The Bengals had stability with Marvin Lewis. LA Clipper had stability with Elgin Baylor in charge from 1986-2008.
Also, please read my posts carefully when you use the term 'false statement', I said 'virtually' ... look it up, it's a material modifier of my statement.
Also, I made no reference to 'free agency', so I have no idea what you are talking about.
Free agency was related to other comments not made by you.
And no, just keeping someone around does not equal stability.
Stability is going to four straight post season tournaments with three of them the NCAAs, but we don’t like that.
Do I think MU can do better...yes. Do I think MU will do better...I don’t know but we have been good enough not to start the clock all over again....and if we do and some guy comes in and nails it for the short term, they will leave anyway.
Funny you say I don’t read...please show me where I ever said Wojo is the best MU could ever hope for?
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I believe he does. Goose has said it best all year. He can cash in another 4-6 years make millions and then he’s set.
Wojo whether you like him or not doesn’t have thick skin. He’s made it publicly known numerous times he has had issues with some fans and some of the press.
From what I see, he doesn’t seem to do well with criticism. I’d bet he darts
Well it will be fun to watch all the arseholes dance on his grave when it happens and players opting out of their commitments. It will be even better to watch the second coach in a row leave for a lesser job and third coach in a row leave for a worse immediate situation and pretend the fans, etc have no bearing on it.
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Cheeks
So TC and Buzz left because of the fan base? My guess is if you answer honestly, we will find the root of the problem.
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Cheeks
So TC and Buzz left because of the fan base? My guess is if you answer honestly, we will find the root of the problem.
Not the on,y reason, one of the reasons....you can talk to one of them if you wish. Read Al’s 1976 comments....could not have nailed it any better. At some point these guys say enough, I will start over somewhere else with a honeymoon period and not have to deal with the crap. Yes!
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Cheeks
So TC and Buzz left because of the fan base? My guess is if you answer honestly, we will find the root of the problem.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vt/
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Do I think MU can do better...yes. Do I think MU will do better...I don’t know but we have been good enough not to start the clock all over again....and if we do and some guy comes in and nails it for the short term, they will leave anyway.
Funny you say I don’t read...please show me where I ever said Wojo is the best MU could ever hope for?
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just what to clarify your position. I think it will help me, and maybe others going forward, and may reduce some bickering.
I read your comments to be : You want MU to be good but not too good. If MU is too good the coach will leave.
Correct?
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I'm not trying to pick a fight, I just what to clarify your position. I think it will help me, and maybe others going forward, and may reduce some bickering.
I read your comments to be : You want MU to be good but not too good. If MU is too good the coach will leave.
Correct?
No, and I am sorry if that is how they came off.
Milwaukee and Marquette is not a destination. I love the city and the people, but unless you are from there it is rare to dig deep roots. As a result, I have wanted anyone that will get 10 years under their belt...hasn’t happened since Al and he tried twice to leave MU.
In my opinion you need someone that is willing to stick it out and dig in. Syracuse isn’t a great spot, but someone chose to stick it out. Plenty of other examples. Wojo has done plenty good enough not to take the shat he is taking is my point. Be careful what you wish for....or maybe just read what Crean, Buzz and maybe soon to be Wojo say off the record why they wish to get out of dodge. It isn’t worth it, start over and get a new honeymoon. I think Wojo has gotten better and HIS BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD OF HIM! And I worry we will see those best days at another school because our fan base is do provincial and detached from reality. Hate to break it to you guys, people aren’t banging down the door to play in Milwaukee in the winter or Coach there for a long period of time. Takes a special someone to grab and keep for a long period of time.
Personally I believe the Bucks success doesn’t help at the moment. Of course the irony of ironies is that all the protections in place to avoid free agency Armageddon is why the Bucks can succeed....there are people here that want to make it even harder for a place like MU to succeed In the future because of their proclivity to beautiful frozen flakes...but that’s another story.
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Cheeks
What are one or two of the other reasons why TC and Buzz left?
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No, and I am sorry if that is how they came off.
Milwaukee and Marquette is not a destination. I love the city and the people, but unless you are from there it is rare to dig deep roots. As a result, I have wanted anyone that will get 10 years under their belt...hasn’t happened since Al and he tried twice to leave MU.
In my opinion you need someone that is willing to stick it out and dig in. Syracuse isn’t a great spot, but someone chose to stick it out. Plenty of other examples. Wojo has done plenty good enough not to take the shat he is taking is my point. Be careful what you wish for....or maybe just read what Crean, Buzz and maybe soon to be Wojo say off the record why they wish to get out of dodge. It isn’t worth it, start over and get a new honeymoon. I think Wojo has gotten better and HIS BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD OF HIM! And I worry we will see those best days at another school because our fan base is do provincial and detached from reality. Hate to break it to you guys, people aren’t banging down the door to play in Milwaukee in the winter or Coach there for a long period of time. Takes a special someone to grab and keep for a long period of time.
Personally I believe the Bucks success doesn’t help at the moment. Of course the irony of ironies is that all the protections in place to avoid free agency Armageddon is why the Bucks can succeed....there are people here that want to make it even harder for a place like MU to succeed In the future because of their proclivity to beautiful frozen flakes...but that’s another story.
This is one of the most coherent posts Hoopaloop has ever made.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/new-faces-new-places-why-did-buzz-williams-leave-marquette-for-vt/
Nice, fair portrait of Buzz. Shows his weirdness and also his goodness and loyalty. But (maybe I missed something?) he didn’t say anything the least bit disparaging about the Marquette fan base - only that he had set the bar high (Big East title, 7 NCAA wins in 4 years, S16, S16, E 8 back to hack to back) and that level of success would be hard to sustain. The facts say he was prescient.
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No, and I am sorry if that is how they came off.
Milwaukee and Marquette is not a destination. I love the city and the people, but unless you are from there it is rare to dig deep roots. As a result, I have wanted anyone that will get 10 years under their belt...hasn’t happened since Al and he tried twice to leave MU.
In my opinion you need someone that is willing to stick it out and dig in. Syracuse isn’t a great spot, but someone chose to stick it out. Plenty of other examples. Wojo has done plenty good enough not to take the shat he is taking is my point. Be careful what you wish for....or maybe just read what Crean, Buzz and maybe soon to be Wojo say off the record why they wish to get out of dodge. It isn’t worth it, start over and get a new honeymoon. I think Wojo has gotten better and HIS BEST DAYS ARE AHEAD OF HIM! And I worry we will see those best days at another school because our fan base is do provincial and detached from reality. Hate to break it to you guys, people aren’t banging down the door to play in Milwaukee in the winter or Coach there for a long period of time. Takes a special someone to grab and keep for a long period of time.
Personally I believe the Bucks success doesn’t help at the moment. Of course the irony of ironies is that all the protections in place to avoid free agency Armageddon is why the Bucks can succeed....there are people here that want to make it even harder for a place like MU to succeed In the future because of their proclivity to beautiful frozen flakes...but that’s another story.
Thanks. A lot of logic here. I understand your position much better. Wojo has been good enough to allow for reasonable fans disagree on the trajectory of the program. This would be much easier if he'd go 4-26 or to a Final Four.
I'm still in Wojo's camp.
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Lenny
Of course he did not say anything about the fan base. I would say this, if Wojo left this job due to the fan base he would be off his rocker. He should leave to give himself another 5-6 year job security and sock the money away.
Again, I enjoyed the Buzz article but not sure on the negative comments on the fans were in the article.
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Nice, fair portrait of Buzz. Shows his weirdness and also his goodness and loyalty. But (maybe I missed something?) he didn’t say anything the least bit disparaging about the Marquette fan base - only that he had set the bar high (Big East title, 7 NCAA wins in 4 years, S16, S16, E 8 back to hack to back) and that level of success would be hard to sustain. The facts say he was prescient.
I read it as he didn't think he could sustain it and better to get out before the posse formed and the fanbase would be calling for his head. But, I think we are splitting hairs and saying much the same thing.
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I read it as he didn't think he could sustain it and better to get out before the posse formed and the fanbase would be calling for his head. But, I think we are splitting hairs and saying much the same thing.
The results posse wasn’t forming. However it did give the admin the moral authority to mutually part ways with out a lot of anger.
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Tower
What he said he can be said by every coach at every university. That is the same stuff Al would say back in the day. Smart stuff to say, but nothing of substance.
Still wish Cheeks would give the reasons why TC and Buzz left.
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I read it as he didn't think he could sustain it and better to get out before the posse formed and the fanbase would be calling for his head. But, I think we are splitting hairs and saying much the same thing.
A fair inference - but he wasn’t referring to anything “Marquette specific”. You do a great job, you set a high bar. Everybody - writers, your employer, fans, etc. expects more of the same - or better. If you don’t deliver they’re dissatisfied. That’s universal. Six years later his successor has set a new, much lower, much more sustainable bar. The people in charge and the projos are OK with it. If Buzz was still here and we were a middle of the road (in the conference) program with 3 NCAA appearances and zero NCAA wins in the last 7 years I doubt his employers would be happy. And I guarantee you Chico would not be cheerleading Buzz and celebrating our “stability”.
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No. He wasn't. In his stat obsessed, OCD mind, he had it figured that it was time to go.
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Nice, fair portrait of Buzz. Shows his weirdness and also his goodness and loyalty. But (maybe I missed something?) he didn’t say anything the least bit disparaging about the Marquette fan base - only that he had set the bar high (Big East title, 7 NCAA wins in 4 years, S16, S16, E 8 back to hack to back) and that level of success would be hard to sustain. The facts say he was prescient.
Which is why I said "off the record". No coach is going to grill a fanbase on the record...though Al said a few things in the biography about his and Rick did My Life on a Napkin. We have a reputation as a fanbase, and it is deserved. It's a blessing and a curse. Everyone wants to win, but we have an inability to separate what happened decades ago. UCLA has suffered this for decades as well. Indiana is in full mode of this the last few decades.
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Which is why I said "off the record". No coach is going to grill a fanbase on the record...though Al said a few things in the biography about his and Rick did My Life on a Napkin. We have a reputation as a fanbase, and it is deserved. It's a blessing and a curse. Everyone wants to win, but we have an inability to separate what happened decades ago. UCLA has suffered this for decades as well. Indiana is in full mode of this the last few decades.
Look, talk all you want about your “connections” and BS off the record conversations - nobody is impressed. You were here for Dean and he got fired. Crean stayed 9 years and left for a bigger job. So, nobody you were remotely connected to left because of unrealistic demands by fans. Period. Neither did Buzz. Neither has Wojo, who 6 years in has had the benefit of an incredibly patient administration and fan base. KO maybe, but in retrospect admitted it was an immature move on his part. This “reputation” you talk about exists only in your (and your co conspiracy freak’s) heads.
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Which is why I said "off the record". No coach is going to grill a fanbase on the record...though Al said a few things in the biography about his and Rick did My Life on a Napkin. We have a reputation as a fanbase, and it is deserved. It's a blessing and a curse. Everyone wants to win, but we have an inability to separate what happened decades ago. UCLA has suffered this for decades as well. Indiana is in full mode of this the last few decades.
Wait, Buzz and Crean left because the fan expectations were too heavy? You keep spinning in the mud, Cheeken Little. MU kept giving them both raise after raise...just like with Wojo.
Buzz left because of the administration. Period. Crean left because of his ego. Period.
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Which is why I said "off the record". No coach is going to grill a fanbase on the record...though Al said a few things in the biography about his and Rick did My Life on a Napkin. We have a reputation as a fanbase, and it is deserved. It's a blessing and a curse. Everyone wants to win, but we have an inability to separate what happened decades ago. UCLA has suffered this for decades as well. Indiana is in full mode of this the last few decades.
Classic.
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Wait, Buzz and Crean left because of the fan expectations were too heavy? You keep spinning in the mud, Cheeken Little. MU kept giving them both raise after raise...just like with Wojo.
Buzz left because of the administration. Period. Crean left because of his ego. Period.
But, but, Doc....we have a...wait for it....reputation. The under assistant West Coast promo man clued Chico in...this is real!
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Dr. B
Spot on. Cheeks is off base, once again.
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Wait, Buzz and Crean left because the fan expectations were too heavy? You keep spinning in the mud, Cheeken Little. MU kept giving them both raise after raise...just like with Wojo.
Buzz left because of the administration. Period. Crean left because of his ego. Period.
Yuuup.
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Tower
What he said he can be said by every coach at every university. That is the same stuff Al would say back in the day. Smart stuff to say, but nothing of substance.
Still wish Cheeks would give the reasons why TC and Buzz left.
It can be said about any coach in any sport at any level. We certainly do not need whoever this cheeks person is to lecture the fan base about how folks react.
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Wait, Buzz and Crean left because the fan expectations were too heavy? You keep spinning in the mud, Cheeken Little. MU kept giving them both raise after raise...just like with Wojo.
Buzz left because of the administration. Period. Crean left because of his ego. Period.
It’s funny how reading comprehension is so difficult here....go back and read AGAIN what I said.
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Tower
What he said he can be said by every coach at every university. That is the same stuff Al would say back in the day. Smart stuff to say, but nothing of substance.
Still wish Cheeks would give the reasons why TC and Buzz left.
Lots of reasons, as I said ONE of the reasons is because our fans get stuck in the past the same as other fans at SOME other programs do. Coaches are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. They succeed, and then it isn’t success enough to the past. They don’t succeed and the screams of tradition and we are entitled to a specific level.
I disagree STRONGLY that every coach at every university can say...that’s a cop out. There are some programs without a history or the history was set by the current guy that do not do the things of fan bases that once touched gold eons ago. That’s the main difference.
I’ve had the pleasure in my career to work directly for two MU head basketball coaches for 5 years and deal with four more at various levels, including being Al’s executive producer for two years on tv broadcasts. To a man they would say how energetic and supportive the fan base is, they would also say how unrealistic SOME are for a school like MU, location, academics, etc. Some of the stories of the insanity of some fans and the turn off the provide would make your stomach churn. And yes, some schools are even worse. Some coaches have thick skins, and some are less thick. The guys that were no longer coaching said they didn’t miss the fan part at all...who can blame them. You guys are ignoring human nature.
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It’s funny how reading comprehension is so difficult here....go back and read AGAIN what I said.
I hope your bottle of scotch yesterday was worth it this AM.
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I hope your bottle of scotch yesterday was worth it this AM.
"Gawdamn Lenny...that mother f#cker really pisses me off..."
(https://bottomsupbros.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/hungover_man.jpg)
From The Chico Basement Tapes
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But, but, Doc....we have a...wait for it....reputation. The under assistant West Coast promo man clued Chico in...this is real!
Your snark aside, I still get together with some of the coaches on an annual basis. I spent time with one of the former assistants over Christmas break. This Summer I will be with another.
I realize you never spent a second of your life working with these people day in and day out....I realize some people got to glad hand them at a fund raiser, which is totally different.
But yes, even being on the west coast the advances in technology like airplane travel, phones, emails, texts have really made it possible to stay connected. :o
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Cheeks
Al also said Hank the brains the operation and should be HC after his retirement.
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News
The last minute was embarrassing. You can jerk off over computer rankings all night long, but that was a bush league move by our HC.
I'm not normally one to beat a dead horse, but I'm also not one to let a Jerry Springer metaphor get away...
First off, if there is anyone here who has never seen the Jerry Springer Show - #1 you're a damn liar - but #2, go pull up an old YouTube video and just watch the first five minutes of an episode (just long enough to see the first of many brawls). Or in lieu, allow me to explain the plot, because it is essentially the same for every damn show:
1. Girl is sitting by herself on the stage.
2. Girl tells some BS story to Jerry how she's in love with her long-time boyfriend, Boy A, but has been sleeping with Boy B on the side.
3. Boy A enters stage right and Girl confesses.
4. Before Boy A can even react to the confession, Boy B enters stage left.
5. Boy A bum rushes Boy B, each exchange a few blows. Stage muscle jumps up and breaks up the fight.
6. Girl says she has another confession to make to A and B... she is engaged to Boy C, now entering stage right.
7. Boys A and B go after Boy C and now there's a three-way that you never wanted to see rolling around on the floor.
Why is this relevant? Because nobody ever blames the Girl. A and B and C (and sometimes D, E, F, or all the way to triple-Q) always fight with each other... nobody ever turns to the Girl and says "to hell with you, you f@kin' slut."
Goose --- You're Boy A in this scenario, Wojo's end-of-game is Boy B, and the NCAA is your Girl. If you were being honest with yourself (and everyone else), you would be blaming the NCAA. But I get it... it's so much easier to blame Wojo, but he's not the one screwing everyone... if Wojo is guilty of anything, it's of being another poor sap who got duped by the slut that is the NCAA.
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I'm just creating this post so Brew has a dedicated place to go on record over and over for several posts about how Wojo is just as dirty as LaVall Jordan because of how the Providence game ended (continuing to press and foul until the final buzzer even though the game was out of reach). We could have injured one of the Friars after all.
On topic, I didn't like the end of the game, but it's different when you have a history of doing it (Jordan has done this multiple times against multiple opponents) and doing it once.
That said...I'm not sure why we were fouling. Chasing a sub-10 point deficit for NET purposes makes some sense but isn't something Wojo has done in the past. I found it interesting that Howard has now broken the Big East league play scoring record (Lawrence Moten) and Big East career scoring record (Troy Bell) in losing efforts when the games were already decided.
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I have honestly never watched the Jerry Springer Show.
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2017/06/JerryJerryFight2.jpg)
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Benny B
That put a smile on my face. Well done.
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Cheeks is either a) trollling or b) a massive chicken little.
The ridiculous narrative that Milwaukee sucks and has little appeal to prospective coaches is absurd.
Let’s thinks about some real gem college towns:
West Lafayette, IN
Champaign, IL
Lincoln, NE
Lawrence, KS
Tallahassee, FL
East Lansing, MI
Could go on and on. MKE gets cold but it has big city amenities, without big city hassle. MKE/MU have a state of the art arena. Great restaurants. Great theater. Great festivals. And if you want a world class city? Hop on the Amtrak and ride 90 minutes to downtown Chicago.
The notion MKE is an armpit compared to many high Major college towns is absolutely f’in absurd. Then again, consider the source.
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I'm not normally one to beat a dead horse, but I'm also not one to let a Jerry Springer metaphor get away...
First off, if there is anyone here who has never seen the Jerry Springer Show - #1 you're a damn liar - but #2, go pull up an old YouTube video and just watch the first five minutes of an episode (just long enough to see the first of many brawls). Or in lieu, allow me to explain the plot, because it is essentially the same for every damn show:
1. Girl is sitting by herself on the stage.
2. Girl tells some BS story to Jerry how she's in love with her long-time boyfriend, Boy A, but has been sleeping with Boy B on the side.
3. Boy A enters stage right and Girl confesses.
4. Before Boy A can even react to the confession, Boy B enters stage left.
5. Boy A bum rushes Boy B, each exchange a few blows. Stage muscle jumps up and breaks up the fight.
6. Girl says she has another confession to make to A and B... she is engaged to Boy C, now entering stage right.
7. Boys A and B go after Boy C and now there's a three-way that you never wanted to see rolling around on the floor.
Why is this relevant? Because nobody ever blames the Girl. A and B and C (and sometimes D, E, F, or all the way to triple-Q) always fight with each other... nobody ever turns to the Girl and says "to hell with you, you f@kin' slut."
Goose --- You're Boy A in this scenario, Wojo's end-of-game is Boy B, and the NCAA is your Girl. If you were being honest with yourself (and everyone else), you would be blaming the NCAA. But I get it... it's so much easier to blame Wojo, but he's not the one screwing everyone... if Wojo is guilty of anything, it's of being another poor sap who got duped by the slut that is the NCAA.
This is very clever, and amazingly makes a lot of sense. Good job!
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I'm not normally one to beat a dead horse, but I'm also not one to let a Jerry Springer metaphor get away...
First off, if there is anyone here who has never seen the Jerry Springer Show - #1 you're a damn liar - but #2, go pull up an old YouTube video and just watch the first five minutes of an episode (just long enough to see the first of many brawls). Or in lieu, allow me to explain the plot, because it is essentially the same for every damn show:
1. Girl is sitting by herself on the stage.
2. Girl tells some BS story to Jerry how she's in love with her long-time boyfriend, Boy A, but has been sleeping with Boy B on the side.
3. Boy A enters stage right and Girl confesses.
4. Before Boy A can even react to the confession, Boy B enters stage left.
5. Boy A bum rushes Boy B, each exchange a few blows. Stage muscle jumps up and breaks up the fight.
6. Girl says she has another confession to make to A and B... she is engaged to Boy C, now entering stage right.
7. Boys A and B go after Boy C and now there's a three-way that you never wanted to see rolling around on the floor.
Why is this relevant? Because nobody ever blames the Girl. A and B and C (and sometimes D, E, F, or all the way to triple-Q) always fight with each other... nobody ever turns to the Girl and says "to hell with you, you f@kin' slut."
Goose --- You're Boy A in this scenario, Wojo's end-of-game is Boy B, and the NCAA is your Girl. If you were being honest with yourself (and everyone else), you would be blaming the NCAA. But I get it... it's so much easier to blame Wojo, but he's not the one screwing everyone... if Wojo is guilty of anything, it's of being another poor sap who got duped by the slut that is the NCAA.
You forgot to mention that one of those boys is usually not actually a boy.
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MU is in much better shape then Harvey Weinstein, he might meet boy 1 or 2 in jail.
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BCHoopster
Harvey might have his hand's full moving forward:)
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Cheeks
Al also said Hank the brains the operation and should be HC after his retirement.
And he was wrong
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Cheeks is either a) trollling or b) a massive chicken little.
The ridiculous narrative that Milwaukee sucks and has little appeal to prospective coaches is absurd.
Let’s thinks about some real gem college towns:
West Lafayette, IN
Champaign, IL
Lincoln, NE
Lawrence, KS
Tallahassee, FL
East Lansing, MI
Could go on and on. MKE gets cold but it has big city amenities, without big city hassle. MKE/MU have a state of the art arena. Great restaurants. Great theater. Great festivals. And if you want a world class city? Hop on the Amtrak and ride 90 minutes to downtown Chicago.
The notion MKE is an armpit compared to many high Major college towns is absolutely f’in absurd. Then again, consider the source.
Again, I love Milwaukee. Never called it an armpit. Again, love the city. Sure wish people would take the time to read. It isn’t for a lot of people long term, which is what I said. Find someone that is willing to stick it out....not a bunch of those folks around that will do it long term.
I hope we find one some day.
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BCHoopster
Harvey might have his hand's full moving forward:)
They should put him in Epstein’s cell and see if a case of Arkansastitus does him in.
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a case of Arkansastitus
I thought that is when you commit suicide by shooting yourself in the back of the head