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Title: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2019, 04:13:05 PM
In line with Kenpom and about what I would have expected. Would have guessed 5.5.

https://www.oddsshark.com/ncaab/seton-hall-marquette-odds-january-12-2019-1053578?utm_source=pickpapa
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 11, 2019, 04:14:20 PM
Yup my guess was 5.5 so makes sense
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: LoudMouth on January 11, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
I would think that moves even lower. I love us to cover that spread. Obviously wearing the goggles but I think our home court advantage gives us much more than average and more than Vegas gives us credit for
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 11, 2019, 04:25:03 PM
Personally think we match-up with Seton Hall very well. Only 1 true three point threat. Their bigs are of the slower banger variety which means Joey, Theo, and Ed don't need to spend as much time on the perimeter. We have no one who can stop Powell but I think Anim with lots of help defense can at least keep him from exploding. Think Cale is the xfactor, keep him in check along with Powell and I think this could end up a laugher
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 11, 2019, 04:27:47 PM
Personally think we match-up with Seton Hall very well. Only 1 true three point threat. Their bigs are of the slower banger variety which means Joey, Theo, and Ed don't need to spend as much time on the perimeter. We have no one who can stop Powell but I think Anim with lots of help defense can at least keep him from exploding. Think Cale is the xfactor, keep him in check along with Powell and I think this could end up a laugher

Completely agree. We could lose the game if we're missing shots or if Powell goes nuts. But overall I like the matchup, especially defensively. SJU, CU and Nova are the worst matchups for our defense because they can spread us out and beat us off the dribble. I don't see that being a huge issue against the rest of the conference.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: StillWarriors on January 11, 2019, 04:31:06 PM
Anyone else concerned about a Creighton hangover? Hopefully we come out focused. Home crowd with at least some students back should help, though the crowds have been good over break.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2019, 04:36:01 PM
Anyone else concerned about a Creighton hangover? Hopefully we come out focused. Home crowd with at least some students back should help, though the crowds have been good over break.

Absolutely. Hoping there aren't shades of Providence 2017.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Skatastrophy on January 11, 2019, 05:41:35 PM
I'm not sure how chuffed up our guys could be about a team dropping over 100 on us, even if we did end up winning.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Daniel on January 11, 2019, 05:57:41 PM
Anyone else concerned about a Creighton hangover? Hopefully we come out focused. Home crowd with at least some students back should help, though the crowds have been good over break.
This team is focused! We need Sam and Joey to go off and Markus hit his averages.   But no BEast game will be easy. 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2019, 06:00:51 PM
This team is focused! We need Sam and Joey to go off and Markucrap his averages.   But no BEast game will be easy.
Markucrap? LOL. What did that autocorrect from?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Daniel on January 11, 2019, 06:03:00 PM
Markucrap? LOL. What did that autocorrect from?
Omg!  Was Markus hit..... !
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2019, 06:07:44 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 11, 2019, 06:15:14 PM
The only time I ever get worried about a game is when we start hearing how good of a matchup a team is for Marquette.  South Carolina was supposed to be a good matchup for MU in the NCAA Tournament because they couldn't score and there was no way they could hold our potent offense under 70 so we were going to win.  St. John's has only 1 guy over 6'5" and hasn't beaten anybody so we'll just eat them up down low.  Indiana was young and inexperienced and playing their first big game so we were going to come in and be the experienced group that smokes them to welcome them to the big leagues like Iowa did to us Hank's year.

You don't play your opponent you play yourself.  What I like about this team is we don't have 1 Hauser, we have 2.  Players like the Hausers show up every night, even if they're not scoring the ball a ton.  I'm worried less about how we match up with Seton Hall and more about how we play.  If Marquette takes care of the ball and continues to rebound the ball well we'll win.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 11, 2019, 06:25:26 PM
Had to check the schedule twice. The "Next up" on Scoop lists MU @ Seton Hall...
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on January 11, 2019, 06:26:03 PM
If we win all the way through providence at home what can we possibly expect for a ranking?   12?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Herman Cain on January 11, 2019, 06:28:39 PM
Looking forward to another very entertaining game. Will be a tough test but we should end up on top in the end.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 11, 2019, 06:31:17 PM
If we win all the way through providence at home what can we possibly expect for a ranking?   12?

Well 16 was obviously our highest of the ceiling so no point in worrying about that question.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on January 11, 2019, 06:39:13 PM
Line moved a touch to -6.5. Depends on which bookmaker you are looking at.
Should be another good crowd at Fiserv Forum. 16K plus.

*I didn't feel the need to start a new topic. Yet, I hope those see it who is going to the game on Marquette game on Saturday. Parking will be tough on Saturday! Wave game at UWM Panther Arena. Also, Volleyball at the Wisconsin Center. Seems like there is a million 12-18  years olds every year, all from the midwest in town for that weekend event.*
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: shoothoops on January 11, 2019, 06:45:01 PM
https://www.app.com/story/sports/college/2019/01/11/seton-hall-basketball-marquette-markus-howard/2541866002/

Asbury Park, NJ weighs in with Seton Hall efforts to defend Markus. 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 11, 2019, 08:08:31 PM
I'm not sure how chuffed up our guys could be about a team dropping over 100 on us, even if we did end up winning.

Also, let's face it .. Creighton lost that game more than MU won it.   MU won on two miracles, maybe three if you count 53 from Marcus. 

I mean, yay and everything, but MU was preposterously thisclose to having a very quiet flight home, being yelled at for letting an opponent score 85 and shoot 51%. 

Buzz (?) used to say celebrate until midnight, then back to work.  Wojo had plenty of material to slice that down an hour.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 11, 2019, 08:14:01 PM
Also, let's face it .. Creighton lost that game more than MU won it.   MU won on two miracles, maybe three if you count 53 from Marcus. 

I mean, yay and everything, but MU was preposterously thisclose to having a very quiet flight home, being yelled at for letting an opponent score 85 and shoot 51%. 

Buzz (?) used to say celebrate until midnight, then back to work.  Wojo had plenty of material to slice that down an hour.

Made the plays we had to.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 11, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
Also, let's face it .. Creighton lost that game more than MU won it.   MU won on two miracles, maybe three if you count 53 from Marcus.

Honestly, Chartouny missing the first layup was a miracle too. If he makes that attempt, they inbound normally, we foul, and we likely lose at the line or need a 60-footer to tie. Because he missed, it left that 0.8 which made Cashaw think the long pass was a safe option.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 11, 2019, 10:04:33 PM
6 points seems like a lot to me. Seton Hall has been darn tough this season, including a couple of impressive ones on the road.

I'll take a 1-point win or a 31-point win or any win in between.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: mu03eng on January 11, 2019, 10:41:47 PM
Absolutely. Hoping there aren't shades of Providence 2017.

Ordinarily I'd agree but this team has a different mental make up this season IMO.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 10:17:49 AM
Markus Made the plays we had to.

Fixed.  Markus single-handedly carried us to victory in that game.  Pure individual talent on display.  He was in the zone, and when's he's in that zone, there have been few other players that can match his efficiency/production.

Still believe the Wisconsin win was our most impressive win of the year, because Markus was really pretty bad in that game, and we found a way to win.  Can't count/rely on 40 points halves like what happened against Buffalo, and 53 point games to win in OT at CU.

Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 10:24:47 AM
Fixed.  Markus single-handedly carried us to victory in that game.  Pure individual talent on display.  He was in the zone, and when's he's in that zone, there have been few other players that can match his efficiency/production.

Still believe the Wisconsin win was our most impressive win of the year, because Markus was really pretty bad in that game, and we found a way to win.  Can't count/rely on 40 points halves like what happened against Buffalo, and 53 point games to win in OT at CU.

Wasn’t aware I was excluding Markus. You actually made my statement incorrect. I can think of a number of plays that needed to be made that were made by people not named Markus. One play in particular that Sam made had to be made or we lose in regulation. At least I think? I’ve never laced them up like you so maybe somehow you know a way we win that game if we’re still down 3 after the final buzzer sounds?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: StillWarriors on January 12, 2019, 10:28:01 AM
I'm not sure how chuffed up our guys could be about a team dropping over 100 on us, even if we did end up winning.

Haha, good point. I’m thinking more from the emotional standpoint of coming off that emotional high than being puffy chested.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: WarriorDad on January 12, 2019, 10:29:16 AM
Anyone else concerned about a Creighton hangover? Hopefully we come out focused. Home crowd with at least some students back should help, though the crowds have been good over break.

Yes.  2017 Providence game we drove up to, we lost by 1 I think after beating Villanova a few nights earlier.  So much media this week and interviews with Markus.  Stay grounded guys, but they seem like mature level kids.  This could be a sluggish game, but as long as we get the win that is all that matters (and stay healthy).
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 10:53:02 AM
Wasn’t aware I was excluding Markus. You actually made my statement incorrect. I can think of a number of plays that needed to be made that were made by people not named Markus. One play in particular that Sam made had to be made or we lose in regulation. At least I think? I’ve never laced them up like you so maybe somehow you know a way we win that game if we’re still down 3 after the final buzzer sounds?

Sam's shot was a function of Markus single handedly keeping us in the game through a historic performance.

Nothing wrong with wanting to hitch your horse to hail mary's and history breaking performances to lead you to the victory circle, but not sure that's a formula for sustained success.  We are #4 in Pomeroy's Luck rating among teams ranked in Top 40 (46th overall of all 353 teams.)

Side note:  What do you think the strategy was behind Wojo having Markus inbound the ball on that last play of regulation? 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 12, 2019, 11:14:11 AM
It is much harder to inbound to a 5'11" guy in that situation than a 6'8" or 6'9" guy. The play was meant for Joey as Theo set a screen for him to get open. Sam managed to lose his man in the confusion and made the big shot. JC was on the other side and could have been an option for the pass as he is a decent shooter but the defense was paying the least attention to him.

I could see an argument that JC and MH should have switched roles but who can argue with results?

Also, Wojo had about 1 second to talk to his team before he inbounded the ball. They were trying to hurry up before Creighton could figure out what to do.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MuMark on January 12, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
Markus would need space to get off a shot.......very hard to get space in 8 tenths.....so Sam and Joey were the options and Markus was trusted to make the pass.

Makes perfect sense.

Ps line has moved to MU minus 4 1/2
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2019, 11:21:18 AM
Sam managed to lose his man in the confusion and made the big shot.

I just rewatched that. Kind of amazing how Sam just drifted back from the edge of the paint to the arc when Alexander turned his back to Sam. It gave him the separation he needed that, coupled with his 3-4 inch height advantage, allowed Howard to deliver a high pass that only Sam could catch. Then obviously his height advantage also allowed him to shoot over the contest from Alexander and Ballock. Great play with a touch of luck.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 11:42:59 AM
Markus would need space to get off a shot.......very hard to get space in 8 tenths.....so Sam and Joey were the options and Markus was trusted to make the pass.

Makes perfect sense.

Ps line has moved to MU minus 4 1/2

"It makes perfect sense," to have the biggest 3-point shooting threat in all of college basketball inbounding the ball trailing by 3, with one second left, on a night he's clearly in the zone, and had rained 40 something in regulation up to that point?

Pretty sure if Markus were NOT inbounding the ball, Creighton would have absolutely double teamed Markus and at minimum as a diversion, that would have created a much better look for Sam or Joey.  But hey, it worked out...but sure was an odd "coaching" decision.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Class71 on January 12, 2019, 12:17:18 PM
Sam's shot was a function of Markus single handedly keeping us in the game through a historic performance.

Nothing wrong with wanting to hitch your horse to hail mary's and history breaking performances to lead you to the victory circle, but not sure that's a formula for sustained success.  We are #4 in Pomeroy's Luck rating among teams ranked in Top 40 (46th overall of all 353 teams.)

Side note:  What do you think the strategy was behind Wojo having Markus inbound the ball on that last play of regulation?

Markus would be double teamed and/or would have to shoot over a much taller player while having no time to maneuver around the player(s). Sam and Joey are tall and also very good spot-up shooters. Both avoid the height problem offering a better target to pass too.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Loose Cannon on January 12, 2019, 12:29:27 PM

 It worked.  Angels in the outfield, I'll be looking today.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2019, 12:38:27 PM
Line dropping big
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 12:43:43 PM
Sam's shot was a function of Markus single handedly keeping us in the game through a historic performance.

Nothing wrong with wanting to hitch your horse to hail mary's and history breaking performances to lead you to the victory circle, but not sure that's a formula for sustained success.  We are #4 in Pomeroy's Luck rating among teams ranked in Top 40 (46th overall of all 353 teams.)

Side note:  What do you think the strategy was behind Wojo having Markus inbound the ball on that last play of regulation?

I’m totally fine with “hitching our horse” to our First Team All American. Totally fine with it.

You really think Markus should’ve gotten the ball with 0.8 seconds left and at least one defender much taller than him inside his jersey? Talk about an interesting coaching decision that would be...

In that situation it’s not a “who’s hot” or “who’s our best shooter.” It’s a “well, it’s going to take a whole lot of luck and someone who can actually catch and release the shot without it being blocked with no time to do anything but just that, catch and release.” Doesn’t even take basketball knowledge to understand this one, of which clearly nobody but you have because we just played the tuba and flute, but an understanding of simple physics. 6’8” vs. 5’11” (generously). Tough choice.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 12, 2019, 01:32:42 PM
I think having JC inbound and Markus as a decoy on the far side would have made sense. The play definitely had to go to one of the Hausers.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 01:45:36 PM
I think having JC inbound and Markus as a decoy on the far side would have made sense. The play definitely had to go to one of the Hausers.

I agree. That is the only possible change I would make. But Wojo trusting Markus to make the correct pass also makes sense to me. And even though there was no possible time to have this happen, Markus in bounding it below our own basket to a big and then slipping behind him to the corner for 3 and a “natural” screen is something we run 10 times a game, so with no time for Creighton to discuss that not being possible, there may have been some thoughts on their end about stopping that play.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 01:51:04 PM
And to add to that, as we are seeing today, Chartouney does not make very good passes when it’s more than about 10 feet long.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2019, 04:18:00 PM
I think having JC inbound and Markus as a decoy on the far side would have made sense. The play definitely had to go to one of the Hausers.

That was my thought, too.

Made all the sense in the world to have a Hauser on the receiving end of the pass, but Markus would have been the perfect decoy. Is it possible that Wojo simply trusted Markus more than JCS to deliver the pass?

As for the line in this Seton Hall game ... I don't wanna say "I told you so" that 6 seemed like too many points against a team that has been a tough out just about all season, but ...
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 04:50:06 PM
I’m totally fine with “hitching our horse” to our First Team All American. Totally fine with it.

You really think Markus should’ve gotten the ball with 0.8 seconds left and at least one defender much taller than him inside his jersey? Talk about an interesting coaching decision that would be...

In that situation it’s not a “who’s hot” or “who’s our best shooter.” It’s a “well, it’s going to take a whole lot of luck and someone who can actually catch and release the shot without it being blocked with no time to do anything but just that, catch and release.” Doesn’t even take basketball knowledge to understand this one, of which clearly nobody but you have because we just played the tuba and flute, but an understanding of simple physics. 6’8” vs. 5’11” (generously). Tough choice.

I’m at least glad that you’ve stopped with the Markus chasing the 50 burger jab. 

The only chance this team has of making it to the 2nd weekend in tournament is if Markus goes Superman mode. So. You should bow down at the altar of Markus for this team being moderately successful this season.

But yes. It was dumb AF to have your best player and three point shooting threat inbounding the ball in that situation.

PSS - If a guy cant make a reasonably easily inbounds pass at this level, he shouldn’t be on a D-1 basketball team.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2019, 04:58:37 PM
I’m at least glad that you’ve stopped with the Markus chasing the 50 burger jab. 

The only chance this team has of making it to the 2nd weekend in tournament is if Markus goes Superman mode. So. You should bow down at the altar of Markus for this team being moderately successful this season.

But yes. It was dumb AF to have your best player and three point shooting threat inbounding the ball in that situation.

PSS - If a guy cant make a reasonably easily inbounds pass at this level, he shouldn’t be on a D-1 basketball team.

You have three good to very passers on the team. Sam. Joey. Markus. 2 of those guys are needed to catch and shoot. Ideally you can use Markus as a distraction to create space, but then your options to inbound the ball are Jamal, Brendan and Joe. The first two aren't real options as they aren't capable passers at this point. That leaves Joseph. I'd prefer Markus to inbound the ball in that situation.

Also, it was anything but a simple pass. That pass had to be in 1 spot at 1 speed to give Sam a chance. And it was.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 05:14:21 PM
I’m at least glad that you’ve stopped with the Markus chasing the 50 burger jab. 

The only chance this team has of making it to the 2nd weekend in tournament is if Markus goes Superman mode. So. You should bow down at the altar of Markus for this team being moderately successful this season.

But yes. It was dumb AF to have your best player and three point shooting threat inbounding the ball in that situation.

PSS - If a guy cant make a reasonably easily inbounds pass at this level, he shouldn’t be on a D-1 basketball team.

Or it was simple physics.  My best player and 3 point shooting thread is 5'11" (generous) and will have 2 guys with 6+ inches on him draped all over him, with quite literally no time to do anything to create separation to get the shot off.  We don't win that game if Markus is the one catching that pass.

Don't have to even ask me.  Markus himself said in the post game press conference we won the game because of Sam (and that Sam is always the one in practice making the crazy end of game shots, so they knew they were getting him the ball in that situation.  But you know better than the guys who are in the gym every day so it was dumb AF.  No debate.  End of story).
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 12, 2019, 05:25:01 PM
I’m at least glad that you’ve stopped with the Markus chasing the 50 burger jab. 

The only chance this team has of making it to the 2nd weekend in tournament is if Markus goes Superman mode. So. You should bow down at the altar of Markus for this team being moderately successful this season.

But yes. It was dumb AF to have your best player and three point shooting threat inbounding the ball in that situation.

PSS - If a guy cant make a reasonably easily inbounds pass at this level, he shouldn’t be on a D-1 basketball team.

Here you go again, Ners.

You know more than Wojo and Markus, among others.

I'm not sure how we've won a single game without you on our coaching staff!

Totally disagree with your assertion that we can only win 2 NCAA tourney games if Markus is Superman. I mean, if we are a top-5 seed, we probably won't face a team any better than Seton Hall in the first round, and we beat them today with Markus struggling bigly at winning time. We have other good players, and we play good D. We can't beat a good team if Markus has 20, Sam has 16, Joey has 14, Sacar and Theo have strong defensive games and a couple guys contribute off the bench? The only possibility is that Markus scores 50?

Also, I guess 14-3 and likely top 15 is only "moderately successful" to a guy like you, whose coaching brilliance and/or playing superstardom has led major-college teams to better showings.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 12, 2019, 05:37:14 PM
But yes. It was dumb AF to have your best player and three point shooting threat inbounding the ball in that situation.

You're kidding, right? That play literally won us the game. Howard delivered a perfect pass and because Sam is 6'8" he was able to catch the pass and get a shot up quickly over 2 guys that are 6'4" and 6'5".

You don't want Howard catching the ball in that situation. The reason he is so effective is because he is great at creating a sliver of separation to get his shot off. With 0.8 seconds, there's no time to create enough space to get a clear look off that quickly. Sam could do that because of his size.

It was a great playcall and the only two guys you want catching that ball are Sam or Joey.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Newsdreams on January 12, 2019, 06:20:55 PM
You're kidding, right? That play literally won us the game. Howard delivered a perfect pass and because Sam is 6'8" he was able to catch the pass and get a shot up quickly over 2 guys that are 6'4" and 6'5".

You don't want Howard catching the ball in that situation. The reason he is so effective is because he is great at creating a sliver of separation to get his shot off. With 0.8 seconds, there's no time to create enough space to get a clear look off that quickly. Sam could do that because of his size.

It was a great playcall and the only two guys you want catching that ball are Sam or Joey.
No he is not kidding he really has no idea
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 09:23:28 PM
No he is not kidding he really has no idea

Lol. The posters who think Markus should have been inbounding that ball truly have NO idea. Not surprised you join in their chorus of ignorance.

Markus should have been in the play. Anyone who thinks Creighton wouldn’t have overplayed the F out of Markus creating an even better look/opportunity for Joey or Sam truly has NO idea.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 09:27:50 PM
Here you go again, Ners.

You know more than Wojo and Markus, among others.

I'm not sure how we've won a single game without you on our coaching staff!

Totally disagree with your assertion that we can only win 2 NCAA tourney games if Markus is Superman. I mean, if we are a top-5 seed, we probably won't face a team any better than Seton Hall in the first round, and we beat them today with Markus struggling bigly at winning time. We have other good players, and we play good D. We can't beat a good team if Markus has 20, Sam has 16, Joey has 14, Sacar and Theo have strong defensive games and a couple guys contribute off the bench? The only possibility is that Markus scores 50?

Also, I guess 14-3 and likely top 15 is only "moderately successful" to a guy like you, whose coaching brilliance and/or playing superstardom has led major-college teams to better showings.

33 in Pomeroy. We eeked out a win against 50 Seton Hall at home...with markus having an “off” 26 point game.

Might want to put away the annointong oil.

Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2019, 09:35:17 PM
Lol. The posters who think Markus should have been inbounding that ball truly have NO idea. Not surprised you join in their chorus of ignorance.

Markus should have been in the play. Anyone who thinks Creighton wouldn’t have overplayed the F out of Markus creating an even better look/opportunity for Joey or Sam truly has NO idea.

Give me your play. Tell me what you would have drawn up to get someone a look better than the one we got. Specifically using some type of screen action because that's the only way they would overplay Markus. Thanks.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 09:37:26 PM
33 in Pomeroy. We eeked out a win against 50 Seton Hall at home...with markus having an “off” 26 point game.

Might want to put away the annointong oil.

Anything that helps you sleep at night Ners. You dunked. We played the flute. We are not worthy. What you missed is we don’t have the annointing oil out for Wojo, we have it out for you!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
Give me your play. Tell me what you would have drawn up to get someone a look better than the one we got. Specifically using some type of screen action because that's the only way they would overplay Markus. Thanks.

Chartouney inbounds.
Joey weak side corner.
Markus weak side wing
Sam at strong side elbow.
Theo low block.
Markus runs from weak side to strong side corner with Theo and Sam settting double screen.
Theo rescreen on Sams man
Sam flares to 3 point line elbow extended.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 10:19:33 PM
Chartouney inbounds.
Joey weak side corner.
Markus weak side wing
Sam at strong side elbow.
Theo low block.
Markus runs from weak side to strong side corner with Theo and Sam settting double screen.
Theo rescreen on Sams man
Sam flares to 3 point line elbow extended.

Put the guy with an astronomically high turnover rate in there to make the pass. Good idea.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 12, 2019, 10:24:50 PM
Put the guy with an astronomically high turnover rate in there to make the pass. Good idea.

Wouldn’t expect a volleyball player to understand how easy that pass is to execute from a stationary position. Chartouney has turnover issues when sped up, and that inbounds pass is simple for a D-1 player.

But feel free to continue to think it was brilliant having Markus inbound the ball. Appreciate the comic relief you provide here.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: We R Final Four on January 12, 2019, 10:27:11 PM
JC has turnover and passing the ball issues whether in motion or stationary.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 12, 2019, 10:53:01 PM
Wouldn’t expect a volleyball player to understand how easy that pass is to execute from a stationary position. Chartouney has turnover issues when sped up, and that inbounds pass is simple for a D-1 player.

But feel free to continue to think it was brilliant having Markus inbound the ball. Appreciate the comic relief you provide here.

Yup. I’ve never touched a basketball. Still trying to figure out what the game really is. Are you supposed to get the ball through that orange ring? Does it count for more if it hits the orange ring first?

I don’t think I can remember any turnovers from Chartouney coming from anything other than a pass. He has to be, by far, the worst passing guard on the team, and maybe the worst passing guard we’ve had at Marquette in a really, really long time.

But yes there is a lot of comedy in threads you post in. I think about 90% of posters here find the comedy comes from you.

But hey, nobody’s dunked on the Nimrods like you! So let’s give the ball to the worst passer on the team and have him make the inbound pass. Genius!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 12, 2019, 10:57:07 PM
Chartouney inbounds.
Joey weak side corner.
Markus weak side wing
Sam at strong side elbow.
Theo low block.
Markus runs from weak side to strong side corner with Theo and Sam settting double screen.
Theo rescreen on Sams man
Sam flares to 3 point line elbow extended.

Thanks for answering and actually don't mind this. Joseph would be the only other guy that I'd be ok with inbounding. I still think Markus inbounding was fine.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 13, 2019, 02:00:53 AM
Give me your play. Tell me what you would have drawn up to get someone a look better than the one we got. Specifically using some type of screen action because that's the only way they would overplay Markus. Thanks.

Use the turbo shoes to dunk from half court. I don't get how people think basketball is complicated.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: brewcity77 on January 13, 2019, 06:39:07 AM
Having Markus inbound confused Creighton. Cashaw and Krampelj got mixed up on assignments. At the same time, Joey went to the corner, which drew Ballock into a John screen, drew Krampelj away from the play, and got Alexander looking at Joey, which gave Sam time to drift back to the arc to catch the pass unimpeded.

The play worked because Creighton didn't know who to cover and Joey drew attention going to the corner. That, and Theo John's excellent pick on the decoy run that convinced all the Blue Jays the ball was going to Joey. It was a case of trusting your biggest players to make your biggest plays. That means Markus passing to Sam.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 07:32:40 AM
Chartouney inbounds.
Joey weak side corner.
Markus weak side wing
Sam at strong side elbow.
Theo low block.
Markus runs from weak side to strong side corner with Theo and Sam settting double screen.
Theo rescreen on Sams man
Sam flares to 3 point line elbow extended.

If only Wojo's play could have produced the result that this one would have, maybe we would have gotten a game-tying shot from Sam and won in OT.

Stoopid Wojo. Can't believe he doesn't have you on speed-dial!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 13, 2019, 11:11:48 AM
Yup. I’ve never touched a basketball. Still trying to figure out what the game really is. Are you supposed to get the ball through that orange ring? Does it count for more if it hits the orange ring first?

I don’t think I can remember any turnovers from Chartouney coming from anything other than a pass. He has to be, by far, the worst passing guard on the team, and maybe the worst passing guard we’ve had at Marquette in a really, really long time.

But yes there is a lot of comedy in threads you post in. I think about 90% of posters here find the comedy comes from you.

But hey, nobody’s dunked on the Nimrods like you! So let’s give the ball to the worst passer on the team and have him make the inbound pass. Genius!

Markus had 9 turnovers against Creighton. The difference between he and Chartouney as it relates to ball security is negligible. The difference betweeen Chartouney and Markus as offensive threats involved in the action of a play?  Well. That’s about as stark of contrast as you can get.

But carry-on with your latest hot take that Markus should have been the inbounder in that situation. That hot take has certainly illustrated the true basketball idiocy of my “favorite” loud mouth resident experts here.

PS:  People in glass homes shouldn’t throw stones Wades. Plenty on this board find you to be the insufferable, obnoxious, and argumentative.

The only difference between you and me?  You were a volleyball player. Won’t find me on a volleyball board popping off like the resident expert because I played it in intramurals.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 11:23:44 AM
So let me get this straight ...

Ners played high school basketball -- even dunked! -- which makes him more knowledgeable about basketball strategy than any of us non-dunkers possibly could be.

Wojo was a high school basketball star, was national defensive player of the year at Duke, won national championships as top assistant at Duke, and is a 5th-year head coach having success at Marquette. But he absolutely is not more knowledgeable about basketball strategy than Ners.

Got it!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 13, 2019, 11:43:12 AM
Markus took the ball out as he always takes the ball out on the offensive end under the basket and Wojo did not have time to draw up a play.
That being said, I can see the point about having a play call for that situation that has been practiced that involves Chartouny taking the ball out and forcing the defense to account for Markus.

THAT being said, starting a battle over a play that worked because you think you have a better idea is...... so many things.

Any play that involves hitting a 3 with .8 seconds left is basically a hail Mary.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 11:50:20 AM
So let me get this straight ...

Ners played high school basketball -- even dunked! -- which makes him more knowledgeable about basketball strategy than any of us non-dunkers possibly could be.

Wojo was a high school basketball star, was national defensive player of the year at Duke, won national championships as top assistant at Duke, and is a 5th-year head coach having success at Marquette. But he absolutely is not more knowledgeable about basketball strategy than Ners.

Got it!

Add to that you can’t possibly play both basketball and volleyball. Just ask guys like Luke Fischer and Jamil Wilson. Volleyball players. They don’t have the first clue about basketball.

Ners certainly does provide comedic value here.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 13, 2019, 01:14:24 PM
Markus was never going to be the one to shoot the ball in that situation. Too short and too much attention. So the question is would he be more valuable as the inbounder or the decoy? I think there's validity to both points of view.

Trying to use a successful play that got us into overtime when Wojo had about 1 second to talk it over with his team as proof that Wojo doesn't know what he's doing is silly at best. But that doesn't mean thinking Joe should have inbounded and Markus play the role of decoy is a bad thought.

I think Wojo calling the timeout when others would have let the clock expire, rushing his guys back instead of trying to draw up a more extensive play says a lot more about his coaching ability than choosing to use Markus as an inbounder instead of as a decoy.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 01:29:10 PM
PS:  People in glass homes shouldn’t throw stones Wades. Plenty on this board find you to be the insufferable, obnoxious, and argumentative.

The only difference between you and me?  You were a volleyball player. Won’t find me on a volleyball board popping off like the resident expert because I played it in intramurals.

There are no stones or glass homes here Ners.  And, thank God for this, there are many more than a single difference between you and I.  The two biggest being I don't find the need to flaunt my athletic "accomplishments" (not that dunking on Watersmeet High School is all that Earth shattering, but 25 years later here you are still talking about it so more power to you bud) and I don't have 5 different usernames on two different sports forums as a result of being banned from them, because if I had to do that I'd have reevaluated what the eff I was doing with my life at that point (or well before that point).

But that's right, it's just that you and only 1 or 2 other posters ever walked onto a basketball court, so you're just misunderstood because you're one of 3 total people to come to Scoop who are competent enough to be posting here.

Almost without fail the people who need to shout on the top of the mountaintop that they are so smart/accomplished are just doing so to cover the insecurity of knowing they're nowhere near as accomplished as they claim.  If you were as much smarter than everyone else on the board as you claim to be you'd be getting paid for your knowledge on the game of basketball rather than being allowed to volunteer your time babysitting a bunch of grade school basketball campers like you so hilariously bragged about doing.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 13, 2019, 02:33:52 PM
There are no stones or glass homes here Ners.  And, thank God for this, there are many more than a single difference between you and I.  The two biggest being I don't find the need to flaunt my athletic "accomplishments" (not that dunking on Watersmeet High School is all that Earth shattering, but 25 years later here you are still talking about it so more power to you bud) and I don't have 5 different usernames on two different sports forums as a result of being banned from them, because if I had to do that I'd have reevaluated what the eff I was doing with my life at that point (or well before that point).

But that's right, it's just that you and only 1 or 2 other posters ever walked onto a basketball court, so you're just misunderstood because you're one of 3 total people to come to Scoop who are competent enough to be posting here.

Almost without fail the people who need to shout on the top of the mountaintop that they are so smart/accomplished are just doing so to cover the insecurity of knowing they're nowhere near as accomplished as they claim.  If you were as much smarter than everyone else on the board as you claim to be you'd be getting paid for your knowledge on the game of basketball rather than being allowed to volunteer your time babysitting a bunch of grade school basketball campers like you so hilariously bragged about doing.

The only person here referencing my athletic accomplishments is you, obsessively.  I brought them up in the first place when people here asked for context.  I just know to stay in my lane and not visit a volleyball board and start posting like the biggest know-it-all because I played the game in P/E and Intramurals, and watch a lot of it on TV.

Carry on with your opinion that you feel it was great coaching to have Markus Howard inbounding the ball, down 3, with 0.8 seconds left in a game he'd already scored 41 points in! 

As for being banned from Scoop and Dodds board because I didn't toe the company line, and acquiesce and change my opinions to conform (to being supportive of the coaching decisions of Buzz and Wojo to maximize Derrick Wilson's playing time)?  I'm totally at peace.  Why would I re-evaluate and desire to become a sheep and a "yes man?"  Talk about a sad reality and way to go through life?  Yet, I'm sure it is one you've mastered, no doubt as a beta. 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Wojo's Whiteboard on January 13, 2019, 02:47:17 PM
Ummmm..... Y’all know he did complete the pass and the shot went in, right?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 02:51:46 PM
The only person here referencing my athletic accomplishments is you, obsessively.  I brought them up in the first place when people here asked for context.  I just know to stay in my lane and not visit a volleyball board and start posting like the biggest know-it-all because I played the game in P/E and Intramurals, and watch a lot of it on TV.

Carry on with your opinion that you feel it was great coaching to have Markus Howard inbounding the ball, down 3, with 0.8 seconds left in a game he'd already scored 41 points in! 

As for being banned from Scoop and Dodds board because I didn't toe the company line, and acquiesce and change my opinions to conform (to being supportive of the coaching decisions of Buzz and Wojo to maximize Derrick Wilson's playing time)?  I'm totally at peace.  Why would I re-evaluate and desire to become a sheep and a "yes man?"  Talk about a sad reality and way to go through life?  Yet, I'm sure it is one you've mastered, no doubt as a beta.

Haha! Yes, it takes an alpha male to continue to come back to multiple basketball forums you’ve been banned from multiple times. If it wasn’t so embarrassing that it’s literally sad I’d say it was hilarious.

What’s also hilarious is you claim it gets harder and harder to stay true to my stance on Wojo as the number of people supporting him has dropped to about 3 on this board. So which is it bud? Am I a beta yes man or am I one of 3 Wojo supporters? Have it both ways. I’d expect nothing less.

I lied. This is effing hysterical. Now we’re not just flaunting our athletic accomplishments but we’re flaunting what a manly man we are for always coming back to basketball forums!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Spaniel with a Short Tail on January 13, 2019, 03:46:17 PM
Ummmm..... Y’all know he did complete the pass and the shot went in, right?

+1

(http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/30/58/832116287-time_to_move_on-124680.jpg)
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 03:58:19 PM
Ummmm..... Y’all know he did complete the pass and the shot went in, right?

Sadly a very few posters here would rather Wojo be wrong and MU lose and will do anything they can to diminish any success Wojo has. Either our opponent isn’t as good as their ranking, Markus saved Wojo’s ass, or Wojo made a stupid decision that happened to work by pure luck.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Ummmm..... Y’all know he did complete the pass and the shot went in, right?

Yes, TAMU and I tried to emphasize this, too.

What kind of "expert" spends hours wasting his time complaining about a play that worked to get us a huge victory?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 13, 2019, 06:29:06 PM
Yes, TAMU and I tried to emphasize this, too.

What kind of "expert" spends hours wasting his time complaining about a play that worked to get us a huge victory?

Must take you a lot longer to articulate your thoughts 82. I’ve spent about 30 minutes posting on the topic.

I’m glad we won on the Hail Mary. It doesn’t mean we weren’t poorly coached on that play. I understand that in your world and Wades, Wojo has never made any mistakes in his time as head coach at MU.

I give Wojo credit for calling the timeout at 0.8. I wouldn’t have called it. That decision got us the most unlikely of wins - NOT the play design of Sam’s Hail Mary.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 06:34:58 PM
Must take you a lot longer to articulate your thoughts 82. I’ve spent about 30 minutes posting on the topic.

I’m glad we won on the Hail Mary. It doesn’t mean we weren’t poorly coached on that play. I understand that in your world and Wades, Wojo has never made any mistakes in his time as head coach at MU.

I give Wojo credit for calling the timeout at 0.8. I wouldn’t have called it. That decision got us the most unlikely of wins - NOT the play design of Sam’s Hail Mary.

Lol. Down 3 inbounding the ball with 0.8 seconds left. That takes a Hail Mary no matter who’s catching the inbound pass Markus, Sam, Joey. Steph Curry, Del Curry, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver, Steve Novak. No matter who it is that’s all you get. Hence why Markus was simply not an option to shoot that ball. He’d have 2 guys on him with at least 6 inches of height on him. The ball never gets within 3 feet of the rim if Markus is the one getting the ball there.

The only exception, of course, being Ners. That’s just a simple warmup shot for Ners.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 13, 2019, 06:42:56 PM
Lol. Down 3 inbounding the ball with 0.8 seconds left. That takes a Hail Mary no matter who’s catching the inbound pass Markus, Sam, Joey. Steph Curry, Del Curry, Ray Allen, Kyle Korver, Steve Novak. No matter who it is that’s all you get. Hence why Markus was simply not an option to shoot that ball. He’d have 2 guys on him with at least 6 inches of height on him. The ball never gets within 3 feet of the rim if Markus is the one getting the ball there.

The only exception, of course, being Ners. That’s just a simple warmup shot for Ners.

What part of Markus being in the play and a distraction do you not understand?  Are you that dense?  Creighton would have overplayed the sh$t out of Markus and he’d have drawn 2 defenders giving Sam a better look than he got. 

Thanks for playing, Beta.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Jockey on January 13, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
What part of Markus being in the play and a distraction do you not understand?  Are you that dense?  Creighton would have overplayed the sh$t out of Markus and he’d have drawn 2 defenders giving Sam a better look than he got. 

Thanks for playing, Beta.

Are you really this dumb?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 06:50:13 PM
What part of Markus being in the play and a distraction do you not understand?  Are you that dense?  Creighton would have overplayed the sh$t out of Markus and he’d have drawn 2 defenders giving Sam a better look than he got. 

Thanks for playing, Beta.

What part of "we are 100% sure that Wojo's play worked" do you not understand? Are you that dense?

You know what, Ners, as I already have said, I might have tried to draw up something similar to your play. It makes sense to have Markus as a decoy. I won't even go into Wojo perhaps trusting Markus more than JCS to throw that clutch pass; what you suggest certainly is reasonable.

But you are working really, really hard here to show how brilliant you are and how brilliant Wojo isn't -- especially given that Stoopid Wojo's stoopid play worked to absolute perfection. How stoopid!

Of course, you would have run something better than the plays for Bryce Drew and Kris Jenkins if you were the Valpo and Nova coaches in those games, too. For you are Ners, and you once dunked a basketball.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 06:50:21 PM
Are you really this dumb?

Oh. He is.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 13, 2019, 06:51:56 PM
What part of "we are 100% sure that Wojo's play worked" do you not understand? Are you that dense?

You know what, Ners, as I already have said, I might have tried to draw up something similar to your play. It makes sense to have Markus as a decoy. I won't even go into Wojo perhaps trusting Markus more than JCS to throw that clutch pass; what you suggest certainly is reasonable.

But you are working really, really hard here to show how brilliant you are and how brilliant Wojo isn't -- especially given that Stoopid Wojo's stoopid play worked to absolute perfection. How stoopid!

Of course, you would have run something better than the plays for Bryce Drew and Kris Jenkins if you were the Valpo and Nova coaches in those games, too. For you are Ners, and you once dunked a basketball.

You know what though? There’s zero doubt we get an and one and win that thing in regulation if we had anything near a competent coach on the sideline. The stud himself, Ners, has spoken. It is final, Wojo’s play sucked.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: WithoutBias on January 13, 2019, 07:08:51 PM
Haha! Yes, it takes an alpha male to continue to come back to multiple basketball forums you’ve been banned from multiple times. If it wasn’t so embarrassing that it’s literally sad I’d say it was hilarious.

What’s also hilarious is you claim it gets harder and harder to stay true to my stance on Wojo as the number of people supporting him has dropped to about 3 on this board. So which is it bud? Am I a beta yes man or am I one of 3 Wojo supporters? Have it both ways. I’d expect nothing less.

I lied. This is effing hysterical. Now we’re not just flaunting our athletic accomplishments but we’re flaunting what a manly man we are for always coming back to basketball forums!

yes, it does seem like quite the contradiction. does the floorslapper not know what a yes man is? if youre one of just 3 slurpers left on this board you probably aren’t just some yes man who goes along with what everyone else thinks and hence the reason youve never been banned is youre always on your knees for the majority opinion, hence youre too big of an alpha to have ever been banned.

it appears floorslapper’s incredible accomplishments on the basketball court far exceeded those in the classroom for him. with every post he makes it very clear he is flat out stupid, both about basketball and in general.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 13, 2019, 09:24:04 PM
Are you really this dumb?

If you think that point makes me dumb, well, that makes you look even dumber.   
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 13, 2019, 10:17:27 PM
If you think that point makes me dumb, well, that makes you look even dumber.

So anyone who would put Markus as an inbounder in that situation instead of as a decoy is dumb? I can see validity for both strategies.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 13, 2019, 11:40:41 PM
So anyone who would put Markus as an inbounder in that situation instead of as a decoy is dumb? I can see validity for both strategies.

Spoken like a typically stoopid Scooper who didn't once (allegedly) dunk a basketball for Bumblefork H.S.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 08:52:04 AM
Chartouny with 0 assists and 4 turnovers on Saturday.  That's the guy I want to make a pass with the game on the line.

But I'm a band member so what do I know, hey?
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 09:16:23 AM
So anyone who would put Markus as an inbounder in that situation instead of as a decoy is dumb? I can see validity for both strategies.

Yes.

And those trying to suggest otherwise should just stop digging themselves a deeper hole of pretzel logic and ignorance.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 09:17:13 AM
Chartouny with 0 assists and 4 turnovers on Saturday.  That's the guy I want to make a pass with the game on the line.

But I'm a band member so what do I know, hey?

I'd be fine with Chartouny making the inbounds pass and Howard playing the decoy.

I'd be fine with Howard making the inbounds pass and Chartouny playing the decoy. I'm obviously ecstatic with how this one worked out.

Both decisions have merit. One probably leads to a better pass. The other probably leads to a more open shot.

Trying to use preference for one or the other as proof that a fan or a coach doesn't know basketball is dumb.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 09:17:30 AM
Yes.

And those trying to suggest otherwise should just stop digging themselves a deeper hole of pretzel logic and ignorance.

So Wojo is dumb.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 09:19:24 AM
So Wojo is dumb.

It was not an example of great coaching on the fly...
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 09:20:43 AM
I'd be fine with Chartouny making the inbounds pass and Howard playing the decoy.

I'd be fine with Howard making the inbounds pass and Chartouny playing the decoy. I'm obviously ecstatic with how this one worked out.

Both decisions have merit. One probably leads to a better pass. The other probably leads to a more open shot.

Trying to use preference for one or the other as proof that a fan or a coach doesn't know basketball is dumb.

"Chartouney playing the decoy."

Come on TAMU, you are brighter than that.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Ellenson Family Reunion on January 14, 2019, 09:22:21 AM
I sincerely love that this thread title is "Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU", yet here we are 4 pages later!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 09:29:13 AM
It was not an example of great coaching on the fly...

You said that anyone who would do that is dumb. Ergo Wojo is dumb. This is why absolutes are dumb.

"Chartouney playing the decoy."

Come on TAMU, you are brighter than that.

 ?-(

I don't understand. Chartouny is 4th on the team in both 3PM and 3P%, hitting at a 37% clip. If you watch the replay he draws a Creighton defender to the other side of the floor away from Sam. Is that not being a decoy?

One of the biggest plays in Marquette history, Vander's lay in against Davidson had something similar where Jake Thomas (who was a 27% 3P shooter and had made less 3Ps all season than Chartouny has made so far this season) was subbed in for the specific purpose of drawing one of Davidson's defenders out of the lane.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 09:40:00 AM
You said that anyone who would do that is dumb. Ergo Wojo is dumb. This is why absolutes are dumb.

 ?-(

I don't understand. Chartouny is 4th on the team in both 3PM and 3P%, hitting at a 37% clip. If you watch the replay he draws a Creighton defender to the other side of the floor away from Sam. Is that not being a decoy?

One of the biggest plays in Marquette history, Vander's lay in against Davidson had something similar where Jake Thomas (who was a 27% 3P shooter and had made less 3Ps all season than Chartouny has made so far this season) was subbed in for the specific purpose of drawing one of Davidson's defenders out of the lane.

Comparing Chartouney as a decoy to Markus as a decoy is insult to Markus.

Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TSmith34 on January 14, 2019, 10:27:33 AM
As for being banned from Scoop and Dodds board because I didn't toe the company line, and acquiesce and change my opinions to conform (to being supportive of the coaching decisions of Buzz and Wojo to maximize Derrick Wilson's playing time)?  I'm totally at peace.  Why would I re-evaluate and desire to become a sheep and a "yes man?"  Talk about a sad reality and way to go through life?  Yet, I'm sure it is one you've mastered, no doubt as a beta.
The fact that you think that's why you have been repeatedly banned from Scoop shows you will never, ever, learn a damn thing.  But I guess telling yourself a lie, and hilariously painting yourself as a persecuted "alpha"...I guess it gets you through the day.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Lazar's Headband on January 14, 2019, 10:32:37 AM
It was not an example of great coaching on the fly...

Or it was an excellent job of preparation.

I mean, even my JV HS team practiced end of game situations.  Down 3, one second left, ball inbounded from offensive baseline, specifically inbounded from that spot.  A pretty basic scenario to practice.   In fact, I'd be very concerned if Wojo has not practiced that scenario all season.

So Wojo calls the play they've practiced for just such a scenario in the 3 second speed huddle.  It's a pretty simple play with only two reads.  First read is Joey in the corner, who is either wide open or covered by the switching big.

The Creighton center switched the screen, so now we move to the second read: a high pass to Sam popping to the left wing.

I assume Markus practiced that play as the inbounder, which is why he inbounded it in the Creighton game.  The other players involved in the play are the screener, which was probably practiced with both Theo and Ed, perhaps even Matt, and a dummy (Joe or Sacar) running fake action.

That's a pretty long explanation for a very simple answer: Wojo called a play they had practiced and the players lined up where they practiced.  Then they executed.

I'm not even saying it was a genius play design.  I don't know what other plays Wojo has in the playbook.  But to assume Wojo was completely winging it "on the fly" is quite a jump to conclusions.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TSmith34 on January 14, 2019, 10:33:35 AM
Chartouny with 0 assists and 4 turnovers on Saturday.  That's the guy I want to make a pass with the game on the line.

But I'm a band member so what do I know, hey?
Cool band medal, man.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 14, 2019, 10:43:34 AM

As for being banned from Scoop and Dodds board because I didn't toe the company line, and acquiesce and change my opinions to conform (to being supportive of the coaching decisions of Buzz and Wojo to maximize Derrick Wilson's playing time)?  I'm totally at peace.

This is amusing.  Mainly because the only company line we ask to toe is that of Arby's.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TSmith34 on January 14, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
This is amusing.  Mainly because the only company line we ask to toe is that of Arby's.
Cross that line and the banhammer is merciless.  I know from experience.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MuMark on January 14, 2019, 10:47:21 AM
Comparing Chartouney as a decoy to Markus as a decoy is insult to Markus.

Come on TAMU....Ners is right.....everyone knows that if Markus would have been used as a decoy all 5 defenders would have covered him leaving Chartouny with an uncontested pass to Sam or Joey for a wide open 3!

Unless of course Joe threw the pass out of bounds.....like he did twice on Saturday...... :(










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Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 10:54:03 AM
Comparing Chartouney as a decoy to Markus as a decoy is insult to Markus.

Did I ever say Chartouny was as good of a decoy as Markus? The only thing that matters is that Joe was good enough of a decoy to make the play work. He drew a Creighton defender away from Sam and Joey so one of them could make the shot.

I can understand why you would switch Joe and Markus. Makes complete sense. It also makes complete sense to have your best passer make the inbounds pass in this situation. There's more than one way to skin a Blue Jay. I don't understand why you feel like there's only one acceptable strategy, especially when the strategy we used worked.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2019, 10:55:03 AM
Or it was an excellent job of preparation.

I mean, even my JV HS team practiced end of game situations.  Down 3, one second left, ball inbounded from offensive baseline, specifically inbounded from that spot.  A pretty basic scenario to practice.   In fact, I'd be very concerned if Wojo has not practiced that scenario all season.

So Wojo calls the play they've practiced for just such a scenario in the 3 second speed huddle.  It's a pretty simple play with only two reads.  First read is Joey in the corner, who is either wide open or covered by the switching big.

The Creighton center switched the screen, so now we move to the second read: a high pass to Sam popping to the left wing.

I assume Markus practiced that play as the inbounder, which is why he inbounded it in the Creighton game.  The other players involved in the play are the screener, which was probably practiced with both Theo and Ed, perhaps even Matt, and a dummy (Joe or Sacar) running fake action.

That's a pretty long explanation for a very simple answer: Wojo called a play they had practiced and the players lined up where they practiced.  Then they executed.

I'm not even saying it was a genius play design.  I don't know what other plays Wojo has in the playbook.  But to assume Wojo was completely winging it "on the fly" is quite a jump to conclusions.

Totally agree, LH.

My first coaching job was as an assistant at the middle school level. I was stunned that not only did the head coach not want to work on a last-second play if we needed it, but that she thought it would be "a waste of our precious time." We also didn't work on any kind of press break or press. As you might guess, we were not a very well-prepared team.

Once I moved up to become a head coach, I said: "I might not turn out to be very good, but I will have my team prepared for important situations."

We spent 10-15 minutes every practice working on both a press and a press break. I had a fun game in which everybody tried to make a shot from 3/4 court, 1/2 court and about 35 feet -- I wanted to see who could even reach the basket with a prayer. Same thing with long passes -- I wanted to see who I could count on to accurately throw a 50- or 60-foot pass. I set up a full-court last-second play and a half-court last-second play. I taught them how to foul without being called for intentionals. All that kind of stuff. We practiced all end-of-game situations at least once a week.

A few of the things never came into play -- so we were "over-prepared" -- but many did. During my 4 years at the school, we scored 2 buzzer-beaters, one at halftime and one to win a game, and tried another one that resulted in a decent shot that didn't go in. There was luck involved (there always is), but these were not crazy, on-the-fly gut calls; they were practiced. We usually had an answer to a press, to a box-and-1 defense, etc. We never got called for an intentional foul when we had to hack the crap out of opponents to get 'em to the line. Etc.

And I was an inexperienced middle-school coach. I think you are 100% correct that Wojo -- who played 4 years and coached 15 years under one of the greatest coaches ever -- has MANY plays that have been worked on in practice for just about any occasion. I'm guessing that the Creighton play was set up specifically to have Markus inbound the basketball because that's what Wojo was most comfortable with after seeing various scenarios in practice -- where none of us sees what's going on.

The hilarious thing here is that the play worked to perfection and yet it is STILL being criticized by somebody who thinks he knows more about basketball than Wojo, Coach K, John Wooden and Bobby Knight. Combined.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Skip Intro on January 14, 2019, 11:00:10 AM
It was not an example of great coaching on the fly...

An inbound pass with 0.8 on the clock needs to be placed just about perfectly, and needs to hit the shooter's hands as close to their in-shot motion as possible (i.e., a lob pass, not a chest- or bounce pass to the corner).  If there's one guy on the team I trust to lob an inbounds pass to that specific spot from three-point range, it's Markus.

If there would have been 1.5 seconds or more on the clock, I bet we would have seen a different inbounder, with Markus as a decoy or actual last-shot option.  That's on-the-fly coaching...
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 11:49:42 AM
In a situation like that, without benefit of a timeout, you go with what you practice.    All game long, all season long, when in the game, Markus takes the ball out under the basket.     Wojo went with what the team had practiced and called a play they had practiced.    Sam and Markus have enough experience and trust in each other that eye contact was enough for them to make a small adjustment and have Sam drift a little higher into an open area.     It is the product of coaching, it is the product of experience, it is the product of two players in sync with each other.   
    Could Wojo have, with the benefit of another timeout, drawn up something different?    I am sure the answer is yes.    However, without benefit of time, giving the guys the call in a 3 second brush by was all he could do.     It is actually a tribute to his coaching that his guys had a plan for that situation that they could default to.   
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 11:59:25 AM
The fact that you think that's why you have been repeatedly banned from Scoop shows you will never, ever, learn a damn thing.  But I guess telling yourself a lie, and hilariously painting yourself as a persecuted "alpha"...I guess it gets you through the day.

Stay in your lane pud.  You aren't a moderator here. 

Everyone knows why I got banned - being critical of Wojo and Derrick Wilson - and not relenting on that despite the heard mentality of the most prolific posters here trying to shout my viewpoint down.





Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 12:01:05 PM
'herd' mentality.     I don't want my mentality to be judged by hearing. 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 12:05:25 PM
Did I ever say Chartouny was as good of a decoy as Markus? The only thing that matters is that Joe was good enough of a decoy to make the play work. He drew a Creighton defender away from Sam and Joey so one of them could make the shot.

I can understand why you would switch Joe and Markus. Makes complete sense. It also makes complete sense to have your best passer make the inbounds pass in this situation. There's more than one way to skin a Blue Jay. I don't understand why you feel like there's only one acceptable strategy, especially when the strategy we used worked.

Markus had 9 turnovers in the Creighton game.  He's hardly our "best passer," but he clearly is our best offensive threat.

The fact some people here are trying to suggest there was a high degree of difficulty on the inbounds pass Markus had to execute is laughable. 

But yes, Sam made the bucket from 25 feet having to retreat further from the basket due to the play design and chosen alignment.  But it worked out. 

It's just amusing that the biggest Wojo fanboys complain about those who have been critical never being able to give him any credit (which is not true), yet when confronted with a clear situation that was NOT good coaching, they pretzel logic their way into suggesting it was good coaching.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 14, 2019, 12:12:40 PM
Markus had 9 turnovers in the Creighton game.  He's hardly our "best passer," but he clearly is our best offensive threat.

The fact some people here are trying to suggest there was a high degree of difficulty on the inbounds pass Markus had to execute is laughable. 

But yes, Sam made the bucket from 25 feet having to retreat further from the basket due to the play design and chosen alignment.  But it worked out. 

It's just amusing that the biggest Wojo fanboys complain about those who have been critical never being able to give him any credit (which is not true), yet when confronted with a clear situation that was NOT good coaching, they pretzel logic their way into suggesting it was good coaching.

There are plenty of clear examples you could point to that were not good coaching. This is not one of them. Having Markus inbound was perfectly logical. Nobody disagrees with you that Markus could be used as a decoy, but you can't acknowledge why it was done despite many providing a number of good reasons.

Weird corner to back yourself into.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
Markus had 9 turnovers in the Creighton game.  He's hardly our "best passer," but he clearly is our best offensive threat.

The fact some people here are trying to suggest there was a high degree of difficulty on the inbounds pass Markus had to execute is laughable. 

But yes, Sam made the bucket from 25 feet having to retreat further from the basket due to the play design and chosen alignment.  But it worked out. 

It's just amusing that the biggest Wojo fanboys complain about those who have been critical never being able to give him any credit (which is not true), yet when confronted with a clear situation that was NOT good coaching, they pretzel logic their way into suggesting it was good coaching.

Amusing indeed.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 12:18:02 PM
The pretzel logic to convince yourself that a hail Mary that worked is bad coaching is the amusing part.    A play that they had practiced.    A play that, according to Markus, Sam makes all the time in practice.   

Can an argument be made that there should be a tree of plays that involve Chartouny (absolutely NOT Sacar) taking the ball out in a similar situation?    Sure.  Particularly from the side.   To argue that this successful play was wrong because it isn't what you would have run?   
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
Amusing indeed.

It is.  The depths of your mancrush on Wojo is funny AF.  I'd understand it if the guy had a track record here like Buzz, but he's yet to win an NCAA game 4 years in and has us at 34 in the magical Year 5, and some of you are celebrating as if we've arrived.

But, to be fair, that is a function of the underwhelming first 4 years.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
It is.  The depths of your mancrush on Wojo is funny AF.  I'd understand it if the guy had a track record here like Buzz, but he's yet to win an NCAA game 4 years in and has us at 34 in the magical Year 5, and some of you are celebrating as if we've arrived.

But, to be fair, that is a function of the underwhelming first 4 years.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the guy talking about betas and emojis uses “AF.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 go put your Uggs and flannel on and pick up a pumpkin spice from Starbucks sweetie. Basic b!tches are taking over Scoop.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 12:28:58 PM
Markus had 9 turnovers in the Creighton game.  He's hardly our "best passer," but he clearly is our best offensive threat.

The fact some people here are trying to suggest there was a high degree of difficulty on the inbounds pass Markus had to execute is laughable. 

But yes, Sam made the bucket from 25 feet having to retreat further from the basket due to the play design and chosen alignment.  But it worked out. 

It's just amusing that the biggest Wojo fanboys complain about those who have been critical never being able to give him any credit (which is not true), yet when confronted with a clear situation that was NOT good coaching, they pretzel logic their way into suggesting it was good coaching.

Who is a better passer then Markus besides one of the Hauser brothers who were needed to hit the shot?

Im not going to address the rest because it's been gone over ad naseum. There are plenty of examples of bad coaching from Work. I don't think this is one of them.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TSmith34 on January 14, 2019, 12:30:26 PM
Stay in your lane pud.  You aren't a moderator here. 

Everyone knows why I got banned - being critical of Wojo and Derrick Wilson - and not relenting on that despite the heard mentality of the most prolific posters here trying to shout my viewpoint down.
Everyone knows -- except the obnoxious, argumentative pud.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2019, 12:30:52 PM
Effen Wojo! His stoopid play cost us the loss!!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 12:43:54 PM
Everyone knows -- except the obnoxious, argumentative pud.

Says the guy who is an obnoxious, argumentative, pud.  Question for you pud:  As a self-described big deal at 34,000 person firm who "runs your firm's entire portfolio of business with 2 of the Fortune 5 companies," how is it that you have ample time over the course of the workday to participate on Scoop?  (No doubt though, you've been a good yes man over the years and tip of the cap to you there.)

Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 12:49:24 PM
It is.  The depths of your mancrush on Wojo is funny AF.  I'd understand it if the guy had a track record here like Buzz, but he's yet to win an NCAA game 4 years in and has us at 34 in the magical Year 5, and some of you are celebrating as if we've arrived.

But, to be fair, that is a function of the underwhelming first 4 years.
I have posted elsewhere and I will post it again.   Just as I was not ready to fire Wojo after IU or Kansas, I am not ready to build a statue for him now.    What you call a mancrush, I call patience.     I don't think Wojo is reinventing the game.    I know the angry little boy look he had on the sidelines during his early seasons gave me pause.     But, the powers that be wanted the anti-Buzz and they got him.   Long term build, avoiding JUCO's, minimizing off court issues, choirboy image.    What has Wojo done that is contrary to that? 
 So, here we are in year 5, 14-3, top 15, and you are arguing that Wojo sucks because the rebuild didn't happen as fast as you thought it should, that he wasn't an instant hall of famer,  and most recently, he ran an end-game out of bounds play (that WORKED!) that you didn't like.    But everyone who showed patience and didn't call for his firing is a fanboy with a mancrush.  Everyone else is the problem.    With our 'heard' mentality.         
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 12:51:44 PM
Says the guy who is an obnoxious, argumentative, pud.  Question for you pud:  As a self-described big deal at 34,000 person firm who "runs your firm's entire portfolio of business with 2 of the Fortune 5 companies," how is it that you have ample time over the course of the workday to participate on Scoop?  (No doubt though, you've been a good yes man over the years and tip of the cap to you there.)

Honest question, do you know what being a "yes man" means?  You've now used it on two different people and in both cases you've completely contradicted yourself in the very same post.

Argumentative pud; yes man.
One of three Wojo slurpers remaining; yes man.

I'm 100% certain you don't know what a yes man is.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2019, 12:53:28 PM
I have posted elsewhere and I will post it again.   Just as I was not ready to fire Wojo after IU or Kansas, I am not ready to build a statue for him now.    What you call a mancrush, I call patience.     I don't think Wojo is reinventing the game.    I know the angry little boy look he had on the sidelines during his early seasons gave me pause.     But, the powers that be wanted the anti-Buzz and they got him.   Long term build, avoiding JUCO's, minimizing off court issues, choirboy image.    What has Wojo done that is contrary to that? 
 So, here we are in year 5, 14-3, top 15, and you are arguing that Wojo sucks because the rebuild didn't happen as fast as you thought it should, that he wasn't an instant hall of famer,  and most recently, he ran an end-game out of bounds play (that WORKED!) that you didn't like.    But everyone who showed patience and didn't call for his firing is a fanboy with a mancrush.  Everyone else is the problem.    With our 'heard' mentality.         

As is so often the case, tower, outstanding post.

Oh, and just to throw this out there ... Mrs. Smart's husband is 10-6 in Year 4 at UT.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TSmith34 on January 14, 2019, 12:53:50 PM
Says the guy who is an obnoxious, argumentative, pud.  Question for you pud:  As a self-described big deal at 34,000 person firm who "runs your firm's entire portfolio of business with 2 of the Fortune 5 companies," how is it that you have ample time over the course of the workday to participate on Scoop?  (No doubt though, you've been a good yes man over the years and tip of the cap to you there.)
You mean my 1.028 posts per day? LOL

Once again, Ners is reduced to "I know you are, but what am I?"
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 01:04:08 PM
Honest question, do you know what being a "yes man" means?  You've now used it on two different people and in both cases you've completely contradicted yourself in the very same post.

Argumentative pud; yes man.
One of three Wojo slurpers remaining; yes man.

I'm 100% certain you don't know what a yes man is.

"One of three Wojo slurpers remaining?"  What does that even mean? 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 01:05:42 PM
"One of three Wojo slurpers remaining?"  What does that even mean?

You tell me.  According to you it's impossible to continue defending Wojo and the number of people trying to do so is down to 3, including me.  Yet I'm a yes man.  Direct contradictions.

But good deflection.

Do you know what a yes man is?  You've used it on 2 people that you claim are the opposite of yes men.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
Stay in your lane pud.  You aren't a moderator here. 

Everyone knows why I got banned - being critical of Wojo and Derrick Wilson - and not relenting on that despite the heard mentality of the most prolific posters here trying to shout my viewpoint down.

You were banned for name calling, and incessant arguing.  Like you are doing here.  If you understand that, and you still do it, I can only imaging you want to be banned again?

 So, tone it down, or I'll do it for you. Again...
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Floorslapper on January 14, 2019, 01:14:18 PM
You tell me.  According to you it's impossible to continue defending Wojo and the number of people trying to do so is down to 3, including me.  Yet I'm a yes man.  Direct contradictions.

But good deflection.

Do you know what a yes man is?  You've used it on 2 people that you claim are the opposite of yes men.

Please quote where I've posted there are 3 Wojo slurpers left?

What a "yes man" is, is one who toes the company line - which on this board was that Wojo did a good job in Year 1 and was right to play Derrick Wilson 30+ minutes per game despite Matt Carlino and Duane Wilson being available, while also limiting Deonte Burton to 16 minutes per game.



Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 14, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
MUScoop's mods, myself especially, maintain a lot of "institutional amnesia" whereby we rarely ban people and when we do, we rapidly forget who or why -- somewhat on purpose.   

The Banned come back after a time, and we let them because (first and foremost) Arbys, and secondly, we hope for the best.  We hope for the best of Marquetters to step forward and behave like decent humans.  Scoop is home to many chances.

Floorslapper just used up his latest chance.  Beef and Cheddar goes to the first user who can identify his next account name.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 01:29:04 PM
Tower914.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 14, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
MUScoop's mods, myself especially, maintain a lot of "institutional amnesia" whereby we rarely ban people and when we do, we rapidly forget who or why -- somewhat on purpose.   

The Banned come back after a time, and we let them because (first and foremost) Arbys, and secondly, we hope for the best.  We hope for the best of Marquetters to step forward and behave like decent humans.  Scoop is home to many chances.

Floorslapper just used up his latest chance.  Beef and Cheddar goes to the first user who can identify his next account name.

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Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2019, 01:40:52 PM
Tower914.

Heisenberg's WarriorDad Hoopaloop Cheeks.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Archies Bat on January 14, 2019, 01:41:56 PM
I thought he was doing relatively well until Sam made that shot.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 01:42:45 PM
Beta yes man. 
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Pakuni on January 14, 2019, 01:49:20 PM
IDunkedinHS
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: BM1090 on January 14, 2019, 01:51:37 PM
I thought he was doing relatively well until Sam made that shot.

Agreed. Not sure why that set him off.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2019, 01:58:45 PM
So, tone it down, or I'll do it for you. Again...

Floorslapper just used up his latest chance.

Good cop/bad cop never gets old!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: TAMU Eagle on January 14, 2019, 02:01:14 PM
MUScoop's mods, myself especially, maintain a lot of "institutional amnesia" whereby we rarely ban people and when we do, we rapidly forget who or why -- somewhat on purpose.   

The Banned come back after a time, and we let them because (first and foremost) Arbys, and secondly, we hope for the best.  We hope for the best of Marquetters to step forward and behave like decent humans.  Scoop is home to many chances.

Floorslapper just used up his latest chance.  Beef and Cheddar goes to the first user who can identify his next account name.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/xqMgdlMNAjmYo/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: mu_hilltopper on January 14, 2019, 02:26:41 PM
Good cop/bad cop never gets old!

Didn't notice that!

Here's the thing.  I didn't eat at Arby's today so my BAC isn't as high as usual.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: guzica on January 14, 2019, 02:29:58 PM
Thank you!!!  Thank you !!!!   Thank YOU !!!   I’m on my way to Arby’s now!!!! And I haven’t been there in like 20 years!!!
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: Lazar's Headband on January 14, 2019, 02:47:30 PM
Alpha Stepback Jumper
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: VegasWarrior77 on January 14, 2019, 02:59:48 PM
Derrick Burton
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MUfan12 on January 14, 2019, 03:15:42 PM
InboundsPasser

Theo40

NoMorrowNoCry
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2019, 03:16:06 PM
Derrick Burton

Deonte Dawson
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: GarciasWorld on January 14, 2019, 08:25:23 PM
InboundsPasser

Theo40

NoMorrowNoCry

Lol these are good.
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: PTM on January 14, 2019, 09:00:27 PM
Arbysauce

Man, that's a really good name
Title: Re: Marquette opens -6 vs. SHU
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2019, 10:15:15 PM
Rocky and topper, you da men.

Makes it a little less fun to talk about what a horrible play Shaka just called to seal UT's loss to KU, though!

(Actually, I didn't think it was an awful play. Kid just missed a shot.)