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Title: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: bleedbluegold03 on November 10, 2008, 03:08:34 AM
Seems that Marquette is in his top three with FSU and Kansas. Here is the article . . .

http://theshiver.com/2008/11/snaer-to-decide-wednesday/#more-946

Snaer to decide Wednesday?

November 10, 2008 by Shiver

In a somewhat surprising move Micahel Snaer, ESPN’s #30 ranked player , has narrowed his list to Kansas, Florida State, and Marquette according to Snaer in a text message.

Snaer will be making his decision public on Wednesday, although a time has not yet been set. Snaer plans to know the time of his announcement tomorrow morning. As early as last week, Snaer had been thinking about putting his decision on hold until the spring. That decision had many people thinking that Snaer was waiting to see where Xavier Henry committed, but that decision appears to be on hold as well.

Snaer is a very athletic 6′4″ guard/wing who will bring a lot to any of the three schools left. His ability to hit the 3, mid range jumper, and his potential to be a lock down defender is what some of what makes Snaer such a desirable recruit for any program.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: muarmy81 on November 10, 2008, 05:39:25 AM
Interesting,
I think the consensus on this board was that he'd be heading to either Mizzou or UCLA...I like our chances but I'll still be looking at FSU as the leader.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: downtown85 on November 10, 2008, 06:40:11 AM
I am surprised (and hopeful!) that MU is still in it.  I am not that surprised that he decided to move his decision forward (by announcing now and not waiting until spring).  I think a recruit's bargaining position and choices become reduced as time goes on beyond the fall signing period. 

Perhaps Buzz (and/or some of the other coaches) told him that if he doesn't commit by letter-of-intent day, the scholarship offer would be withdawn.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: CAINMUTINY on November 10, 2008, 07:06:10 AM
I think with our class for 2009 and the amount of playing time we'd offer him that we would have to be an attractive option. Let's see what the kid chooses.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Thomas' Danish Delight on November 10, 2008, 07:24:18 AM
Wowzers...so someone please educate me. 

Wouldn't Kansas have a logjam?  And what does FSU have other than beautiful weather and the women to match it...don't get me wrong MU women are fine too, but you couldn't tell most of the time under them North Faces and Columbia jackets...down south they damn near nekkid.

So I'm tryna learn the pro's and con's of each school.  I hope Snaer knows what's good, cuz MU-Know What It Is.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2008, 08:15:25 AM
Last time we were in the top 3 for a guard it didn't turn out real well. Then again I'm certain Buzz didn't show up at Snaer's house at midnight either. If he wants to showcase his talents in the best conference, Snaer's choice is easy.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Avenue Commons on November 10, 2008, 08:32:36 AM
If he wants to showcase his talents in the best conference, Snaer's choice is easy.

It's that simple for MU. The draw of FSU is the weather and a chance to play a lot right away, and the allure of KU is the history and prestige of the program.

Let's hope the kid is a competitor and wants the chance to play in the Big East. No matter what happens, I think the fact that this kid is in play is a very positive sign for Buzz's recruiting abilities and how recruits view MU.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: chapman on November 10, 2008, 08:40:34 AM
Kansas -Hot girls, better weather than Milwaukee, play for a national power.

Florida State - Super hot girls, great weather, games against Duke and UNC are sure to be televised with Dickie V going crazy over him.


If Buzz lands him he is the sickest recruiter ever.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on November 10, 2008, 08:49:27 AM
anyone think that maybe colvin dropped his interest in us because he was informed by buzz that snaer was likely to commit.  seems silly to do it before we actually have the commitment, but buzz was straight-forward with wilson after we got roseboro, maybe he gave colvin the heads up as well.

wishful thinking most likely.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Dry White Toast on November 10, 2008, 08:57:03 AM
how do ku and fsu compare with respect to open scholies?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: downtown85 on November 10, 2008, 08:59:01 AM
More of the same from the Lawrence Journal

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/10/ku_hoops_target_snaer_decide_wednesday/

KU hoops target Snaer to decide Wednesday

By Gary Bedore

November 10, 2008


Blue-chip basketball recruit Michael Snaer, who last week said he’d wait until the spring to pick a college, has had a change of heart.

Rivals.com’s No. 11-rated prospect said Sunday he’ll choose between Kansas University, Florida State and Marquette at a yet-to-be-determined time Wednesday at Rancho Verde High in Moreno Valley, Calif.

“I want to get it out of the way. I think it’s that time,” Snaer said of finalizing his college choice.

The 6-foot-4, 185-pound shooting guard said he eliminated two schools Sunday — UCLA and Missouri.

“It was tough cutting Missouri. I know a lot of the players there,” Snaer said.

“It’s pretty close. I might have one school ahead of the others,” he added, not revealing that school.

“It’s going to be a hard decision. I look at the coaching staffs, the players, how hard the teams work.”

Asked specifically about KU, he said: “They have a good chance.”

Meanwhile, Rivals.com’s No. 3-rated player, Xavier Henry, will bypass the Nov. 12-19 signing period and will choose between finalists KU and Memphis sometime this spring.

“He did want to (sign early) at first. Circumstances happen,” Xavier’s dad, former KU player Carl Henry, said Sunday night.

Xavier suffered a fractured cheekbone in an Oct. 22 automobile accident and had surgery last week.

“He’s out four to six weeks. He’s taking medicine every day, resting, taking it easy. He’ll take his time. He’ll make his decision at the end of the season,” Carl Henry said.

Carl Henry, who averaged 17.1 points and 6.4 rebounds in his 61-game KU career (1982-83, 83-84), said Xavier “likes the players and coaches at both schools equally.”

This is reminiscent of the recruitment of Carl’s older son, C.J., who orally committed to KU in the spring of 2005 only to sign a professional baseball contract after being selected by the New York Yankees in the June draft.

“My older son did the same thing,” Carl said of bypassing the early signing period. “We thought Xavier would sign early ... except for the accident.”

C.J. Henry is now a freshman guard at Memphis.

“He likes it there,” Carl Henry said, noting C.J. “stays out of it. We all realize it’s Xavier’s decision.”

KU and Memphis would not be waiting on Henry’s decision if the NBA allowed high schoolers to head directly to the pros.

“He would have,” Carl said of his son bypassing college had the rules not changed a few years ago. “I wish they could go directly from high school (to pros). If they are ready — if their bodies are physically ready — they should be able to go. His body is together.”

Xavier and other “one-and-done” players have the option of heading to college or Europe for a year before putting their names in the draft.

“Some don’t want to go to Europe. It’s a long way from home for kids who are in high school,” Carl said. “We’ve had offers to play in Europe. If a kid is not even through his senior year of high school, why would you even consider Europe right now?”

Two top high school seniors will definitely sign with KU on Wednesday.

They are: Thomas Robinson, a 6-8 power forward from Brewster Academy in Wolfeboro, N.H.; and Elijah Johnson, 6-2 from Cheyenne High in Las Vegas.

KU has two scholarships to give in recruiting. Coach Bill Self has said he would like to sign three or four prospects because of the likelihood of players leaving for the NBA.

KU targets Dominic Cheek, 6-5 from St. Anthony High in Jersey City, N.J.; Lance Stephenson, 6-5 from Lincoln High in Brooklyn, N.Y.; and John Wall, 6-4 from Word of God Christian Academy in Raleigh, N.C., will make their decisions in the spring.

• Next up for Jayhawks: KU, which pounded Washburn, 98-79, Tuesday, will play host to Emporia State at 7 p.m., Tuesday in Allen Fieldhouse. It’ll be KU’s final exhibition game of the preseason. Emporia State will play Wichita State tonight. The Jayhawks will open for real against UMKC at 7 p.m. Sunday.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: bma725 on November 10, 2008, 09:01:48 AM
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anyone think that maybe colvin dropped his interest in us because he was informed by buzz that snaer was likely to commit.  seems silly to do it before we actually have the commitment, but buzz was straight-forward with wilson after we got roseboro, maybe he gave colvin the heads up as well.

wishful thinking most likely.


Colvin hasn't dropped his interest in us, the list has already changed again.  In a Scout article from today, he's still got us on his list and has said he will choose from the following, "Iowa State, Providence, Illinois, Marquette, USC or UConn".
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUCrew on November 10, 2008, 09:06:19 AM
Someone refresh my memory...but we're out of scholies for next year right?  It's probably been talked about and rehashed somewhere but I figured I'd ask here.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4thAndState on November 10, 2008, 09:23:40 AM
Someone refresh my memory...but we're out of scholies for next year right?  It's probably been talked about and rehashed somewhere but I figured I'd ask here.
You are right -- this has been discussed plenty over the last several weeks, especially after Roseboro verballed. Because some player rosters "evolve" in the off season and to help teams deal with an inevitable transfer, the BE allows oversigning by one scholarship. For a player of Snaer's caliber, Buzz is willing to sign him with the anticipation that the roster will work itself out later.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUCrew on November 10, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
Hey thanks for clarification, 4thandState! Should be a fun-filled Wednesday.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: mwbauer7 on November 10, 2008, 10:24:37 AM
I told myself I wouldn't get wrapped up in this after last time....
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 10, 2008, 10:38:46 AM
You are right -- this has been discussed plenty over the last several weeks, especially after Roseboro verballed. Because some player rosters "evolve" in the off season and to help teams deal with an inevitable transfer, the BE allows oversigning by one scholarship. For a player of Snaer's caliber, Buzz is willing to sign him with the anticipation that the roster will work itself out later.

I still can't believe that! Wow.

Snaer may commit to MU, but I'd hate to deal with whatever speculation may fall out from it.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: LastWarrior on November 10, 2008, 10:48:48 AM
I told myself I wouldn't get wrapped up in this after last time....

Amen!
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ecompt on November 10, 2008, 11:14:42 AM
wouldn't it be ironic if Snaer committed to Kansas, forcing Tyshawn Taylor to the bench?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on November 10, 2008, 11:48:46 AM
as much as i hate to say it you have to like Kansas's odds to get him.  Cheek, henry, Wall and lance Stepehenson have all decided to wait until the spring and it just seems that opens the door for snaer at KU. 

However, they have TT who by all accounts has been lighting it up at SG and they just signed another 5 star SG in johnson  so maybe he sees a logjam? 

who knows but boy would i love him to verbal to MU,  i think that class could challenge for some titels in the conference, tourneys and the nation before it is all said and done. 
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: LastWarrior on November 10, 2008, 11:57:34 AM
Rumors on Rivals Main Board is that he was at FSU over the weekend taking in the football game.  Total guess and no knowledge other than what I read but I feel he's headed to FSU.  We like to talk about the competition in the Big East but IMHO, the ACC is the best conference.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MR.HAYWARD on November 10, 2008, 12:04:01 PM
if he goes to FSU this past weekend he had to foor the bill himself, he has to ask himself who will be his coach next year.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2008, 12:06:00 PM
wouldn't it be ironic if Snaer committed to Kansas, forcing Tyshawn Taylor to the bench?




It would also be a bitch if Taylor and Snaer become their starting backcourt.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Schoonts on November 10, 2008, 12:13:25 PM
I recieved this in an email from a friend who copied it from his Jayhawk site...  This is unreliable, but it is something...

Word out here in Southern California is that Michael Snaer will commit to Kansas on Wednesday, and will not wait on a decision from Xavier Henry. Snaer believes he can be just as good of a player as Henry and he will not allow Henry to be a factor in making him go somehwere else when his heart is set on being a Jayhawk. This is all info I've recieved from speaking to Rancho Verde High School principal Michael McCormick. I expect Henry to still sign with Memphis in the spring.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Wareagle on November 10, 2008, 12:19:53 PM
Given how good our class is already, a 33% chance, give or take, to get Snaer is awesome.  Much different feeling than with Iman.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: LastWarrior on November 10, 2008, 12:24:20 PM
Much different feeling than with Iman.

I respectfully disagree.  MU was the odds on favorite to land Iman and when he announced it on CSN, you could see the shock on the face of Bob S., Chicago Tribune expert, who thought he was headed to MU.  Snaer has always been a long-shot.  I hope we get him but i'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2008, 12:25:43 PM
Given how good our class is already, a 33% chance, give or take, to get Snaer is awesome.  Much different feeling than with Iman.

Huh?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on November 10, 2008, 01:02:54 PM
quote author=4everwarriors link=topic=10305.msg90914#msg90914 date=1226341543]
Huh?
[/quote]

basically, the fate of our class is not relying on a snaer commit.  Our class is already solid; snaer would make it elite.  so he's saying, with the 2009 class pretty much already in place and in excellent shape, having a 1/3 chance at landing snaer seems like an awesome place to be.  Iman felt like a must have; snaer would just be icing on the cake.[
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: murambler on November 10, 2008, 01:40:51 PM
I recieved this in an email from a friend who copied it from his Jayhawk site...  This is unreliable, but it is something...

Word out here in Southern California is that Michael Snaer will commit to Kansas on Wednesday, and will not wait on a decision from Xavier Henry. Snaer believes he can be just as good of a player as Henry and he will not allow Henry to be a factor in making him go somehwere else when his heart is set on being a Jayhawk. This is all info I've recieved from speaking to Rancho Verde High School principal Michael McCormick. I expect Henry to still sign with Memphis in the spring.

If a decision was already made, why would he even bother saying that he cut his final list to 3?   

I'll go out on a limb and say he picks Marquette.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: nola03 on November 10, 2008, 01:52:29 PM
The strongest rumor throughout this recruitment has been centered around the racial makeup of the head coach. It'll be interesting to see if that had merit.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUCrew on November 10, 2008, 01:54:17 PM
I told myself I wouldn't get wrapped up in this after last time....

Ugh, me too!  I remember the frickin' anticipation only to get a haymaker in the nuts.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4thAndState on November 10, 2008, 02:09:20 PM
Ugh, me too!  I remember the frickin' anticipation only to get a haymaker in the nuts.
Too funny -- now, not then. I heard the Nankivil and (a year later) Shumpert announcements while watching local Milwaukee sports on Channel 12, sportscaster Dan Needles reporting both times. On Wednesday, I am not going near a TV.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ecompt on November 10, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
I've never seen either play, so I'm just throwing this out there: Who would you rather have, Snaer or Wilson? I have a feeling we're not getting either, but if Snaer somehow gives us a verbal we definitely wouldn't have room for Jamil.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on November 10, 2008, 02:28:51 PM
snaer in a heartbeat.  he's the shooter this team needs and a lockdown defender.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: PTM on November 10, 2008, 02:29:10 PM
I've never seen either play, so I'm just throwing this out there: Who would you rather have, Snaer or Wilson? I have a feeling we're not getting either, but if Snaer somehow gives us a verbal we definitely wouldn't have room for Jamil.

Snaer
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: bma725 on November 10, 2008, 02:32:36 PM
I've never seen either play, so I'm just throwing this out there: Who would you rather have, Snaer or Wilson? I have a feeling we're not getting either, but if Snaer somehow gives us a verbal we definitely wouldn't have room for Jamil.

The Jamil ship has sailed, even if we don't get Snaer, he's not an option anymore.  

Between the two, Snaer is the better player and fits the needs on this team more.  
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2008, 02:34:38 PM
quote author=4everwarriors link=topic=10305.msg90914#msg90914 date=1226341543]
Huh?


basically, the fate of our class is not relying on a snaer commit.  Our class is already solid; snaer would make it elite.  so he's saying, with the 2009 class pretty much already in place and in excellent shape, having a 1/3 chance at landing snaer seems like an awesome place to be.  Iman felt like a must have; snaer would just be icing on the cake.[

Yeah, I'm pretty certain schools like Kansas, UCLA, Memphis, etc. don't give a rat's ass if he commits or not since their classes are already solid and you wouldn't want too much talent. BTW, who was in the final 3 for Oden, Beasley, Rose, of Monroe?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: dwaderoy2004 on November 10, 2008, 03:55:54 PM
huh?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: LastWarrior on November 10, 2008, 04:21:23 PM
**NEW UPDATE***

According to the Rivals main board, Snaer has texted someone at Theshiver.com (who originally broke the story) and said that his decision will now be postponed until further notice.

*****

You can't make this sh*t up!

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=120034826&mid=120034826&sid=910&style=2 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=120034826&mid=120034826&sid=910&style=2)

http://theshiver.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162 (http://theshiver.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162)
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Sweenz on November 10, 2008, 04:32:52 PM
What is this? Very confusing- anyone feel if he truly does postpone this decision is this good or bad news for MU?

 I think if he waits until the end of the season- Marquette has a great run in the tourney with a lot of leadership leaving, it will increase his chances of coming.n FSU will most likely not look as attractive if he sees a bad team playing maybe near the bottom of the ACC, and Kansas might have some big time commits coming in the spring- perhaps leaving Kansas unable to even offer him?

Wishful thinking? Perhaps... think this would be the place for Snaer to shine in a national scene with great competition and the ability to make an immediate impact. Perhaps I am biased... but I think it makes sense for him. May be hard to turn down Kansas... but MU might make the most sense for his basketball career. If he takes the approach that Marquette is his team, and lead it, like the big three did- it could be great for him!
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUCrew on November 10, 2008, 04:40:18 PM
**NEW UPDATE***

According to the Rivals main board, Snaer has texted someone at Theshiver.com (who originally broke the story) and said that his decision will now be postponed until further notice.

*****

You can't make this sh*t up!

http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=120034826&mid=120034826&sid=910&style=2 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=103&tid=120034826&mid=120034826&sid=910&style=2)

http://theshiver.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162 (http://theshiver.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=162)


What

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Tease
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: texaswarrior74 on November 10, 2008, 04:45:52 PM
Rivals.com also incorrectly reported that the TCU football coach had accepted the job at Kansas State last Friday without vetting it.....they are known for publishing things before fully vetting them so until we hear from Snaer or his coach, I wouldn't be getting too worked up about it.

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 10, 2008, 04:48:14 PM
See what it must be like as a coach trying to make a living dealing with these 18 year old kids.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: LastWarrior on November 10, 2008, 04:57:26 PM
Rivals.com also incorrectly reported that the TCU football coach had accepted the job at Kansas State last Friday without vetting it.....they are known for publishing things before fully vetting them so until we hear from Snaer or his coach, I wouldn't be getting too worked up about it.



Well in that case, I guess we can't trust ESPN.  Anybody else remember the Miles to Michigan fiasco on the morning of the SEC Championship game?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUBasketball on November 10, 2008, 05:21:33 PM
See what it must be like as a coach trying to make a living dealing with these 18 year old kids.

Exactly right, 4ever.

I love the college game, but stuff that goes on behind the scenes makes ya wonder why anybody would coach it.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Ready2Fly on November 10, 2008, 05:53:14 PM
Exactly right, 4ever.

I love the college game, but stuff that goes on behind the scenes makes ya wonder why anybody would coach it.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUBasketball on November 10, 2008, 06:08:31 PM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Haha, I knew somebody would respond with that.

Ok ok, aside from that!
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: TallTitan34 on November 10, 2008, 07:43:47 PM
I think we will land Snaer.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: PTM on November 10, 2008, 08:47:33 PM
Who knows what the kid is thinking, or his handlers for that matter.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Daniel on November 10, 2008, 09:31:55 PM
I, for one, am confused. . .is he deciding Wednesday, or postposing indefinitely?

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ondo10 on November 10, 2008, 09:50:45 PM
I've never seen either play, so I'm just throwing this out there: Who would you rather have, Snaer or Wilson? I have a feeling we're not getting either, but if Snaer somehow gives us a verbal we definitely wouldn't have room for Jamil.

Without hesitation - we want Snaer.  Just look at the makeup of our team next year...

Center:  Otule and McMorrow
Power Forward:  Maymon and Roseboro
Small Forward:  Hayward, Fulce, Williams
Point Guard:  Coudogan and Acker
Shooting Guard:  Buycks, Cubillan, and Butler

Which position do you think is the weakest?  I would say SG by far.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Markusquette on November 11, 2008, 12:55:13 AM
I could definitely see Erik Williams getting the starting spot either at SG or SF and having Lazar play SG.  I think Lazar is used to the big man role right now, but with the size we will have next year we could afford to move him to shooting guard.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ErickJD08 on November 11, 2008, 01:34:41 AM
Out of the three finalists, we are the best option for playing time.  FSU has a ton of 4 stars that will be sophomores and juniors and we know what KU has.  AND MU has no SOLID SG.  He would be an amazing pick up.  I hope he realizes that if he comes to MU, he would get around 30 minutes a game as a freshmen if he is as good as advertised. 

Also, after looking at the exhibition game, it seems like Buzz has no issue giving a green light to shooters. 

GO MU!
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: DJAMES1 on November 11, 2008, 08:42:50 AM
SNAER will still be making his decision in November, just pushing it back a couple days according to another Kansas paper...

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2008/nov/11/self_doesnt_expect_changes/?sports

"Recruiting: Michael Snaer, a 6-foot-4 senior from Rancho Verde High in Moreno Valley, Calif., who on Sunday said he’d reveal his college choice on Wednesday, has had another change of plans. Snaer told Rivals.com on Monday his news conference might be pushed back a few days. He indicated he would choose between KU, Florida State and Marquette in the early signing period (Nov. 12-19)"

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MDMU04 on November 11, 2008, 10:18:09 AM
Found this a couple minutes ago through a google search for Michael Snaer

http://kansas.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=2&c=810479 (http://kansas.scout.com/a.z?s=172&p=2&c=810479)

9:54 a.m. We’ve polled the parties and here’s the consensus: Michael Snaer is likely to select the Florida State Seminoles. That’s the one school that is on everyone’s lips. There’s a presser Wednesday at his school and we’ll put the Seminoles down as the clubhouse leader. (DT)

Please keep in mind that I have no idea about the reliability of this source, however I did find this nugget to be particularly juicy:

9:57 a.m. Marquette, Michigan State, Oregon or Texas for Jamil Wilson. Word is he’s leaning toward signing tomorrow. In our minds, Michigan State was the long time behind the scenes leader but will they be able to sign him? Whispers began over the Whispers began over the weekend – while he was on his visit to Oregon – about Marquette. Stay tuned. (DT)

What is that all about?  Anyone have anything on this?  This says to me that maybe Snaer isn't as interested as it seems and Buzz went ahead with Wilson.  Very interesting.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Hards_Alumni on November 11, 2008, 11:18:49 AM
Buzz said thanks but no thanks to Wilson a couple of weeks back, IIRC.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ErickJD08 on November 11, 2008, 11:32:56 AM
Didn't someone post that a KU board heard that he is going to go to KU?  I bet Snaer is spoon feeding these insiders info to keep everyone on their toes.  He has a good PR person.  I can totally see him being the kind of guy to give a verbal and then decommit to get everyone talking about him.  I would still like for him to play at MU.  We need someone like that to stay competitive while our program guys develop next year.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MDMU04 on November 11, 2008, 11:37:38 AM
You're right, that was pretty widely reported a couple weeks ago.  Rosiak even had a post in his blog about it.

Something here still doesn't add up though.  There wouldn't be whispers around the kid and MU if something wasn't either going on behind the scenes, someone was spreading disinformation, or the report is completely baseless.

I don't know the source, but at the same time I don't know Buzz and his MO...so it could most definitely be any of the three.  

Isn't that what this board is for anyways?  Discussion of wild and potentially completely baseless rumors and innuendo?

It could also be that Buzz knows his chances on Snaer are slim to none and he decided to re-offer Wilson the scholarship.

Could be something, could be nothing.  But it sure does make me wonder.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MisterJaylenBrownMU on November 11, 2008, 11:44:13 AM

Something here still doesn't add up though.  There wouldn't be whispers around the kid and MU if something wasn't either going on behind the scenes, someone was spreading disinformation, or the report is completely baseless.

Well, that clears it up for me.

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: HoopDreams on November 11, 2008, 09:49:23 PM
Per scout...

Here's a signing day snag. Michael Snaer probably won't ink on Wednesday. More like Thursday or Friday now.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 11, 2008, 10:58:44 PM
Per scout...

Here's a signing day snag. Michael Snaer probably won't ink on Wednesday. More like Thursday or Friday now.

As mentioned before, he's running with a crowd of "handlers" that we don't want.  This has been known forever out here by the UCLA folks which is why UCLA has not gone after him with nearly the urgency as they normally would.  He's a great talent but there are plenty of challenges that come with this kid that I'd rather not see associated with MU.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUONTOP on November 11, 2008, 11:39:24 PM
As mentioned before, he's running with a crowd of "handlers" that we don't want.  This has been known forever out here by the UCLA folks which is why UCLA has not gone after him with nearly the urgency as they normally would.  He's a great talent but there are plenty of challenges that come with this kid that I'd rather not see associated with MU.

I just don't understand how sometimes these people that surround these kids can be considered by some as "a strong support group" and at other times be considered as "handlers" I guess it is all a question of perception.  I just think in this day in age where kids are getting recruited at a younger and younger age they need to create a group of people they can trust that stay close.  Who are we to tell these kids who they can put into their inner circles?  From what I've read Colvin has handlers, Snaer has handlers, Mbakwe has handlers...heck some may even consider Maymon's father a handler, Im not sure of the true definition.  Its a reality in the world of college basketball today and the sooner programs realize that the better off they will be.  At some point it will be the test of strong program and a coaching staff if they can keep these kids out of trouble while at the same time deal with the "handlers".
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 77ncaachamps on November 12, 2008, 12:12:17 AM
If Snaer helps us get to the Final Four and ultimately the Title while he's at MU, I'll take on his handlers any day.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2008, 12:27:34 AM
If Snaer helps us get to the Final Four and ultimately the Title while he's at MU, I'll take on his handlers any day.

I'd rather be like a UCLA that tells kids with these types of posses to hit the road.  They'll do it without the baggage.  Duke the same.  That's not to say either one of them haven't had kids that have handlers, Lavin most certainly did.  Howland is a different breed.  He's old school, maybe that is why I like him so much.

It's definitely part of today's basketball world, but not all programs are putting up with it.  Or at least they're trying to keep it at a minimum.

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Avenue Commons on November 12, 2008, 08:19:37 AM
As mentioned before, he's running with a crowd of "handlers" that we don't want.  This has been known forever out here by the UCLA folks which is why UCLA has not gone after him with nearly the urgency as they normally would.  He's a great talent but there are plenty of challenges that come with this kid that I'd rather not see associated with MU.

+1
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MUONTOP on November 12, 2008, 08:50:00 AM
I'd rather be like a UCLA that tells kids with these types of posses to hit the road.  They'll do it without the baggage.  Duke the same.  That's not to say either one of them haven't had kids that have handlers, Lavin most certainly did.  Howland is a different breed.  He's old school, maybe that is why I like him so much.

It's definitely part of today's basketball world, but not all programs are putting up with it.  Or at least they're trying to keep it at a minimum.




I'm just honestly confused about what the difference between a "handler" and a "support group".  Either I way I garuntee you that Jrue Holiday has a form of one or the other.  Theres somebody whispering in his ear or helping him with conditions.  I've seen articles claiming that Snaer was never that interested in UCLA, I've never seen an article mentioning this kid has "handlers".  I think its an unfair label to put on kid and one that is being used way to often when a kid makes an independent decision that may not please everyone.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2008, 09:01:45 AM
Hell, I've got handlers too.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: OneMadWarrior on November 12, 2008, 09:13:14 AM
I just have handlers when I take a bath.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Schoonts on November 12, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
Just found this out from my buddy on the KU boards:

Michael Snaer will announce his intentions on Friday live on ESPNU. Just found out a few minutes ago.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: esotericmindguy on November 12, 2008, 01:12:22 PM
Just found this out from my buddy on the KU boards:

Michael Snaer will announce his intentions on Friday live on ESPNU. Just found out a few minutes ago.

And boom goes the dynamite.....there it is.  The real reason the announcement was pushed back, they had to get ESPN organized and out to SoCal to film it. 
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: reinko on November 12, 2008, 01:13:57 PM
This guy is news conference worthy?  Is he that good?
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Marquette_g on November 12, 2008, 01:18:27 PM
YES - He is that good. As a result a better get than would be Wilson, although I wouldn't complain about either.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: SCdem@MU on November 12, 2008, 01:31:13 PM
I just don't understand how sometimes these people that surround these kids can be considered by some as "a strong support group" and at other times be considered as "handlers" I guess it is all a question of perception.  I just think in this day in age where kids are getting recruited at a younger and younger age they need to create a group of people they can trust that stay close.  Who are we to tell these kids who they can put into their inner circles? 

I'm just honestly confused about what the difference between a "handler" and a "support group".  Either I way I garuntee you that Jrue Holiday has a form of one or the other.  Theres somebody whispering in his ear or helping him with conditions.  I've seen articles claiming that Snaer was never that interested in UCLA, I've never seen an article mentioning this kid has "handlers".  I think its an unfair label to put on kid and one that is being used way to often when a kid makes an independent decision that may not please everyone.

It will be a very interesting situation for Marquette if we get him. All of my friends in CA who follow the hoops scene out there say his AAU coach is a dick and that he firmly believes he is good enough to be "One and Done".

They all agree that he is good, but not all of them agree as to whether or he is THAT good.

Either way the kid does have a large ego and an interesting crowd around him. If we get him it will be interesting to see how Buzz handles it.

Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: Wareagle on November 12, 2008, 01:45:11 PM
I just don't understand how sometimes these people that surround these kids can be considered by some as "a strong support group" and at other times be considered as "handlers" I guess it is all a question of perception.  I just think in this day in age where kids are getting recruited at a younger and younger age they need to create a group of people they can trust that stay close.  Who are we to tell these kids who they can put into their inner circles?  From what I've read Colvin has handlers, Snaer has handlers, Mbakwe has handlers...heck some may even consider Maymon's father a handler, Im not sure of the true definition.  Its a reality in the world of college basketball today and the sooner programs realize that the better off they will be.  At some point it will be the test of strong program and a coaching staff if they can keep these kids out of trouble while at the same time deal with the "handlers".
The only support group these kids need and should have are parents or parent-like figures.  Most of the other people who surround these kids are vultures hoping to pick up some scraps.  If the handlers could make it on their own they would.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2008, 02:16:04 PM

I'm just honestly confused about what the difference between a "handler" and a "support group".  Either I way I garuntee you that Jrue Holiday has a form of one or the other.  Theres somebody whispering in his ear or helping him with conditions.  I've seen articles claiming that Snaer was never that interested in UCLA, I've never seen an article mentioning this kid has "handlers".  I think its an unfair label to put on kid and one that is being used way to often when a kid makes an independent decision that may not please everyone.

It comes down to TEAM and CHEMISTRY.   I think that's ultimately the point.  This kid is really good, but is he THAT GOOD?  That's what UCLA has been pushing off as the reason they don't want to deal with the extra baggage. When you have a coach, parent, etc demanding playing time, it seaps into the team, the team concept goes away, etc.  It takes a strong leader to be able to squelch that quickly or he can lose the team.

DePaul had some teams with players like that and they never could really put a cap on the egos.   So that is part of the concern that other programs are having.  The kid wants to be showcased so he can be one and done.  You can bet when he's not getting enough shots or starting, then the chirping starts.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: downtown85 on November 12, 2008, 03:38:32 PM
It comes down to TEAM and CHEMISTRY.   I think that's ultimately the point.  This kid is really good, but is he THAT GOOD?  That's what UCLA has been pushing off as the reason they don't want to deal with the extra baggage. When you have a coach, parent, etc demanding playing time, it seaps into the team, the team concept goes away, etc.  It takes a strong leader to be able to squelch that quickly or he can lose the team.

DePaul had some teams with players like that and they never could really put a cap on the egos.   So that is part of the concern that other programs are having.  The kid wants to be showcased so he can be one and done.  You can bet when he's not getting enough shots or starting, then the chirping starts.

I agree with your point about having the type of player you mentioned being disruptive to the team.  However, I am not sure Snaer is that type of player.  If you recall some of his comments after his visit to Marquette.  He seemed to like the hard work and the concepts that Buzz seem to preach, which is very team oriented one-day-at-a-time approach.  Wouldn't that be a turn off to such a player?  Why are we still in his top 3? 

Just playing devils advocate.

 
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on November 12, 2008, 03:47:07 PM
I agree with your point about having the type of player you mentioned being disruptive to the team.  However, I am not sure Snaer is that type of player.  If you recall some of his comments after his visit to Marquette.  He seemed to like the hard work and the concepts that Buzz seem to preach, which is very team oriented one-day-at-a-time approach.  Wouldn't that be a turn off to such a player?  Why are we still in his top 3? 

Just playing devils advocate.

 

We're in his top 3 because he would start here and play a lot as a freshman.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: HoopDreams on November 12, 2008, 05:52:21 PM
As for timing of announcement on Friday...

Snaer will be featured on ESPNU’s “College Basketball Signing Day Special” to be broadcast from 3 to 5 p.m. Central time Friday.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: MuMark on November 12, 2008, 07:00:53 PM
Apparently the "handlers" that surround Snaer are not stopping UCLA from making a late push to get him signed.




November 12, 2008
Michael Snaer pushes decision back to Friday...
By Van Coleman van@hoopmasters.com

The nation's No.17 rated senior 6-4 Michael Snaer has moved his decision back to Friday...

We caught up with Indland Basketball's head man Elvert "Kool Aid" Perry this afternoon and he told us that his 6-4 wing scorer Michael Snaer had pushed his decision back to Friday at 5pm on ESPN.

"Michael will announce his college choice Friday afternoon at 5PM," Coach Perry told Hoopmasters. "He still has all five schools on his list. He will decide between Florida State, UCLA, Marquette, Kansas, and Missouri."

"He says there are a lot of rumors out there, but until Michael tells me where he's going I think all the schools have a shot."

We have heard in the past few days that Florida State may have a slight edge, but that UCLA and Kansas are pushing really hard. But, it seems that only Michael Snaer will know who is in the driver's seat, and he's not announcing until Friday.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: SCdem@MU on November 12, 2008, 07:30:38 PM

We caught up with Indland Basketball's head man Elvert "Kool Aid" Perry this afternoon and he told us that his 6-4 wing scorer Michael Snaer had pushed his decision back to Friday at 5pm on ESPN.


When a grown man has the nickname "Kool Aid" and apparently insists that his name is published with it, you know he has issues.
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 12, 2008, 07:36:28 PM
When a grown man has the nickname "Kool Aid" and apparently insists that his name is published with it, you know he has issues.

Whatever, "SC Dem"
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: avid1010 on November 12, 2008, 07:41:11 PM
When a grown man has the nickname "Kool Aid" and apparently insists that his name is published with it, you know he has issues.

That's almost like a state insisting upon flying a confederate flag at their capital building ;D  In all seriousness, that has to hurt recruiting!
Title: Re: SNAER UPDATE
Post by: dennycrane on November 13, 2008, 10:16:48 AM
It comes down to TEAM and CHEMISTRY.   I think that's ultimately the point.  This kid is really good, but is he THAT GOOD?  That's what UCLA has been pushing off as the reason they don't want to deal with the extra baggage. When you have a coach, parent, etc demanding playing time, it seaps into the team, the team concept goes away, etc.  It takes a strong leader to be able to squelch that quickly or he can lose the team.

DePaul had some teams with players like that and they never could really put a cap on the egos.   So that is part of the concern that other programs are having.  The kid wants to be showcased so he can be one and done.  You can bet when he's not getting enough shots or starting, then the chirping starts.

It is very difficult to put together a team of players with competing agendas. This makes for a difficult task to manage a roster if too many players think they should be playing out of some sense of entitlement. Some players can pick up those ideas during the recruiting process.

I feel more comfortable with recruits who want to be in the program rather than ones that have handlers shopping them around for the best offer.