....don't you think?
He is going to North Carolina to play in a high profiile tourney this weekend. There is a high probability that he will draw interest from additional schools/coaches and may even be offered by some new suitors.
Then, he is going to return home where he and his parents will have roughly 24 hours to review the 9 current offers and any new offers and will have this all sorted out first thing in the morning on Tuesday for an 8 AM announcement.
Doesn't sound like enough time for a thoughtful, final decision. I wonder if we really will know on Tuesday? And if so, will it be a final decision?
For this time frame to work, he would pretty much have to already have his mind made up and also be confident that he will reject any new offers.
That said, which of the 9 programs is most able to offer him what he says he wants most, the instant ability to start?
Probably Baylor or Iowa State.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 23, 2008, 05:52:40 PM
Then, he is going to return home where he and his parents will have roughly 24 hours to review the 9 current offers and any new offers and will have this all sorted out first thing in the morning on Tuesday for an 8 AM announcement.
Doesn't sound like enough time for a thoughtful, final decision. I wonder if we really will know on Tuesday? And if so, will it be a final decision?
I'm SURE his decision is already made. Judging on what i've read, it's most likely that he and his dad liked what they heard from Buzz and will commit. Hopefully it's to MU but I highly doubt they don't know where he's going.
Flying to Texas or Rhode Island to see an occasional home game or driving two hours to watch your child play every home game. If my son was in this position, it would be an easy choice.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 23, 2008, 05:52:40 PM
....don't you think?
He is going to North Carolina to play in a high profiile tourney this weekend. There is a high probability that he will draw interest from additional schools/coaches and may even be offered by some new suitors.
Then, he is going to return home where he and his parents will have roughly 24 hours to review the 9 current offers and any new offers and will have this all sorted out first thing in the morning on Tuesday for an 8 AM announcement.
Doesn't sound like enough time for a thoughtful, final decision. I wonder if we really will know on Tuesday? And if so, will it be a final decision?
For this time frame to work, he would pretty much have to already have his mind made up and also be confident that he will reject any new offers.
That said, which of the 9 programs is most able to offer him what he says he wants most, the instant ability to start?
Probably Baylor or Iowa State.
I'm not sure that Baylor's guarantee is warranted.
I posted this in a different thread, but it bears repeating... I don't know what Scott Drew (Baylor's head coach) told Jeronne, but Baylor has a 6'8 top 50 forward, Anthony Jones, coming in '08 and a 5 star (per rivals) power forward, Cory Jefferson, already committed in '09. On top of that, they have a 3 star JUCO power forward committed for '08. They also have a promising center, Josh Lomers, who will be a senior when Jeronne is a freshman, meaning that Baylor will probably only have space for two forwards on the court most of the time.
Am I missing something here? How in good conscience can Drew guarantee Jeronne not only a starting spot, but that they will run their offense through him as well?
To Wareagle: conscience? I don;t know anythiong about Drew but having a conscience is not always a coaching prerequisite.
To nyg: If Mr. Maymon is willing to send his older son to Texas for prep school I'm not sure distance is a consideration. Especially, having mentioned spirituality, since Baylor is the largest Baptist college in the country.
Plus, I am worried that he will draw more offers at this tournament. I hope my fears are unfounded.
I doubt that PC is in the mix.
His older son is not the Wisconsin player of the year and a potential All American candidate preparing to play major college basketball. He's at a high school prep school. No comparison.
Quote from: nyg on May 23, 2008, 06:54:11 PM
Flying to Texas or Rhode Island to see an occasional home game or driving two hours to watch your child play every home game. If my son was in this position, it would be an easy choice.
That's what we thought with Shumpert.
The timing is very strange. On the one hand, it certainly bodes well to announce a decision date so soon after a "great meeting" with MU. On the other hand, it all seems a little rushed, if in fact the choice is MU. From what I have read, Mr. Maymon doesn't seem to be one to rush into a decision...unless of course MU and Wisconsin were always at the top and Maymon was just waiting for an offer (TC didn't offer, did he?).
Just not getting the warm and fuzzies over this one. The counter argument may be that Maymon needed to visit MU just to validate his feelings of commitment to Baylor or ISU. Will be shocked if he wears the Warrior uni.
Quote from: nyg on May 23, 2008, 06:54:11 PM
Flying to Texas or Rhode Island to see an occasional home game or driving two hours to watch your child play every home game. If my son was in this position, it would be an easy choice.
Some parents actually let their kids make the decision.
Seems like his parents will play a big part, especially if they are interviewed and quoted by the news media reference his recruitment. If it happens, so be it. If not, move on. Tuesday will be here soon.
I think the son is making his own decision and he will want to spread his wings abit.
Hope I am wrong but I don't like what I've read and how I'm interpreting their words.
nyg- what if the brothers Maymon are being offered a package deal by Baylor and the first step is moving the older to Texas?
This aside- one of the stated criteria of Mr. Maymon is the ability to start from the get go. Besides ISU and BU what other school would have offered this to him?
Don't you think he will be offered at the tournament? Don't know how he will have the time to seriously review the former 9 offers and any new offers and have a final decision within 24 hours of returning home from the tournament.
Hoping for good news on Tuesday, but apprehensive.
A couple of things -- the Maymon's seem pretty PO'ed at the Badger program and have said so publically. Said they would like an opportunity for UW to see the mistake they made by not recruiting JM. What better way to throw it in their face than playing ball down the road in Milwaukee?
You want spiritual. The Jesuits do a pretty good job with that kind of religious frame work.
Quote from: Tulsa Warrior on May 24, 2008, 07:18:44 AM
A couple of things -- the Maymon's seem pretty PO'ed at the Badger program and have said so publically. Said they would like an opportunity for UW to see the mistake they made by not recruiting JM. What better way to throw it in their face than playing ball down the road in Milwaukee?
You want spiritual. The Jesuits do a pretty good job with that kind of religious frame work.
Maymon's frustrations are misplaced. You have to look no further than the gpa and history of suspensions.
Denny - are you showing your red - try on some gold.
I think he knows where he is going. There may be a chance that if this tourney sparks a "dream" school offer he would reconsider, but I think he is pretty locked in.
Quote from: mviale on May 24, 2008, 09:41:49 AM
Denny - are you showing your red - try on some gold.
It is not a color coded argument.
There was a well known Marquette poster from the other board who wrote a scathing review of of Maymon and his father after a game in summer. Not flattering. All factual.
Crean did not recruit Maymon. Bo Ryan did not recruit Maymon. The reasons have already been discussed.
Buzz has made the choice to offer Maymon. It is worthy of discussion if this change in direction is a good idea. It is a grey area. No need to look at this decision with blinders on. Those wearing blinders have made a 180. Under Crean not taking Maymon was the right thing to do. Buzz offers Maymon and now that is the right thing to do. Same player, same person, same history, same risks.
A couple of things Crane:
(1) despite some frustration with my teenager I still believe in change and positive growth. I believe the same for me. I think I'm a smarter parent than I was last summer.
(2) Your comments on the Maymon family being a little PO'ed at the Badgers may be right. (unjustified frustration on their part?) The bottom line is we are all entitled to our feelings.
Quote from: dennycrane on May 24, 2008, 11:07:02 AM
It is not a color coded argument.
There was a well known Marquette poster from the other board who wrote a scathing review of of Maymon and his father after a game in summer. Not flattering. All factual.
Crean did not recruit Maymon. Bo Ryan did not recruit Maymon. The reasons have already been discussed.
Buzz has made the choice to offer Maymon. It is worthy of discussion if this change in direction is a good idea. It is a grey area. No need to look at this decision with blinders on. Those wearing blinders have made a 180. Under Crean not taking Maymon was the right thing to do. Buzz offers Maymon and now that is the right thing to do. Same player, same person, same history, same risks.
I think Denny definitely brings up a valid point. When TC was here he really don't want the kid. Must have been reasons outside from talent as I am sure TC would have loved to grab another talented kid from Madison. Now Buzz is coach and we offer. Buzz has mentioned character as a big issue. Did TC and Bo for that matter misread the kid? Are the issues in the past? Does talent win out with Buzz?
Quote from: dennycrane on May 24, 2008, 11:07:02 AM
It is not a color coded argument.
There was a well known Marquette poster from the other board who wrote a scathing review of of Maymon and his father after a game in summer. Not flattering. All factual.
Crean did not recruit Maymon. Bo Ryan did not recruit Maymon. The reasons have already been discussed.
Buzz has made the choice to offer Maymon. It is worthy of discussion if this change in direction is a good idea. It is a grey area. No need to look at this decision with blinders on. Those wearing blinders have made a 180. Under Crean not taking Maymon was the right thing to do. Buzz offers Maymon and now that is the right thing to do. Same player, same person, same history, same risks.
While I do think that your points are somewhat valid, you have to remember he's not the same player. Low level D1 before last year, but improved his performance throughout the HS and AAU seasons and is now considered BE worthy.
Quote from: jce on May 24, 2008, 01:46:36 PM
While I do think that your points are somewhat valid, you have to remember he's not the same player. Low level D1 before last year, but improved his performance throughout the HS and AAU seasons and is now considered BE worthy.
Baylor has had an offer in to Maymon since last year. He was always better than a low major talent. Issues other than talent have also been a factor. It is all about risk and reward. You are correct that his stock as a player has been elevated recently.
The question still remains whether Maymon-Marquette and Buzz Williams are a good match. Arguments can be made both ways.
Then there is the question of why commit now. It looks like next spring or summer before the final call on academics can be made.
Quote from: dennycrane on May 24, 2008, 11:07:02 AM
It is not a color coded argument.
There was a well known Marquette poster from the other board who wrote a scathing review of of Maymon and his father after a game in summer. Not flattering. All factual.
Crean did not recruit Maymon. Bo Ryan did not recruit Maymon. The reasons have already been discussed.
Buzz has made the choice to offer Maymon. It is worthy of discussion if this change in direction is a good idea. It is a grey area. No need to look at this decision with blinders on. Those wearing blinders have made a 180. Under Crean not taking Maymon was the right thing to do. Buzz offers Maymon and now that is the right thing to do. Same player, same person, same history, same risks.
Fair enough Crane - you bring up solid points despite your badger feelings.
Quote from: mviale on May 24, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Fair enough Crane - you bring up solid points despite your badger feelings.
Who gives a crap where his feelings reside. His words are balanced compared to others'.
Quote from: dennycrane on May 24, 2008, 11:07:02 AM
It is not a color coded argument.
There was a well known Marquette poster from the other board who wrote a scathing review of of Maymon and his father after a game in summer. Not flattering. All factual.
Crean did not recruit Maymon. Bo Ryan did not recruit Maymon. The reasons have already been discussed.
Buzz has made the choice to offer Maymon. It is worthy of discussion if this change in direction is a good idea. It is a grey area. No need to look at this decision with blinders on. Those wearing blinders have made a 180. Under Crean not taking Maymon was the right thing to do. Buzz offers Maymon and now that is the right thing to do. Same player, same person, same history, same risks.
The same Marquette poster, Puju, also posted a follow-up several weeks ago. He said that he felt a lot more comfortable about both Maymon and his father based on further conversations with another Memorial parent.
You seem to have an awfully poor opinion of the actions of a then-16 year-old and an involved father.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 24, 2008, 04:27:42 PM
The same Marquette poster, Puju, also posted a follow-up several weeks ago. He said that he felt a lot more comfortable about both Maymon and his father based on further conversations with another Memorial parent.
You seem to have an awfully poor opinion of the actions of a then-16 year-old and an involved father.
That is what I am talking about with the 180 degree turn. What a fan may have seen with their own eyes and disturbed them under different circumstances now is not as important once circumstances have changed. From an extremely scathing and negative report to being a lot more comfortable? It is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
I have not offered much of an opinion on Maymon and his father. I have stayed with what is already known. I am looking at the big picture with my eyes wide open.
Thanks for the big picture, however keep these things in mind about Bo and Crean:
1) Crean may have missed the boat on Maymon by focusing on Wilson which may have a futile effort
2) Bo doesnt have anymore schoolies and played it safe.
Quote from: dennycrane on May 24, 2008, 04:50:02 PM
That is what I am talking about with the 180 degree turn. What a fan may have seen with their own eyes and disturbed them under different circumstances now is not as important once circumstances have changed. From an extremely scathing and negative report to being a lot more comfortable? It is his opinion and he is entitled to it.
I have not offered much of an opinion on Maymon and his father. I have stayed with what is already known. I am looking at the big picture with my eyes wide open.
Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player. You make it sound like Puju panned on Maymon when it was convenient and then started backing him when Buzz started recruiting Maymon.
As far as not offering much of an opinion, that is incorrect. You have made your negative opinion of Maymon and his father very well known. For what purpose? What good comes of it?
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 24, 2008, 05:30:47 PM
Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player. You make it sound like Puju panned on Maymon when it was convenient and then started backing him when Buzz started recruiting Maymon.
As far as not offering much of an opinion, that is incorrect. You have made your negative opinion of Maymon and his father very well known. For what purpose? What good comes of it?
The original negative message was a very strong. I am assuming you read it as well. I did not know he had changed his opinion or the time line until you wrote about it in this thread. He is entitled to his opinion.
What I may have stated about the Maymon's is not opinion. I see no need to rehash the issues again. There have been red flags. Coaches can not recruit with blinders on. They must consider all issues when recruiting.
There are differing opinions in this case both among different coaches as well as fans. I believe it is worthy of discussion. Your opinion is that it is not.
Quote from: mviale on May 24, 2008, 05:15:44 PM
Thanks for the big picture, however keep these things in mind about Bo and Crean:
1) Crean may have missed the boat on Maymon by focusing on Wilson which may have a futile effort
2) Bo doesnt have anymore schoolies and played it safe.
Why wouldn't TC go after both playing one against the other (the first guy that commits voids the other).
Long before Bo used his final schollie for 2009 (which was last week), he had plenty of time to woo Maymon if he was so predisposed.
IMO Maymon will/should choose MU for a number of reasons------proximity, get back at Bo for not showing interest, and MU has the best program/tradition of the three schools he reportedly is considering.
However the bigger question is why TC and Bo didn't show any interest whatsoever EVEN after that colassal performance at the Wisc State Tournament.
Can't answer for TC, but I doubt that Maymon is the system type player that Bo usually recruits. Maymon strikes me as a physical presence who loves to go to the hoop but my not have the midrange jumper that Bo likes in his players.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 24, 2008, 07:57:31 PM
Can't answer for TC, but I doubt that Maymon is the system type player that Bo usually recruits. Maymon strikes me as a physical presence who loves to go to the hoop but my not have the midrange jumper that Bo likes in his players.
plus he's not 7', white, from northern wisconsin or minnesota, athletic. definately wouldn't work in the swing. ;)
another mistake by TC
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 24, 2008, 05:30:47 PM
Or the poster had one isolated incident viewing and obtained additional information from a conversation with the parent of another Memorial basketball player.
It wasn't one isolated incident. Puju has posted in the past about having children at Memorial including one in Maymon's grade, he's seen Tim Maymon's behavior on several occasions.
And while he did say he was more comfortable with the attitude issues, he still has said that the academics are a major concern, and did not like the idea that the kid was planning on taking more visits when Memorial only has a few weeks left and he needs to bring his GPA up.
JM has A LOT of work to do in the classroom. no matter what school he chooses on tuesday, i'd say there's a good chance he won't be there in fall of '09.
hopefully, once he selects a school, he can focus on the books and make the necessary strides. i hope he gets his priorities in order!
Quote from: bma725 on May 24, 2008, 09:23:53 PM
It wasn't one isolated incident. Puju has posted in the past about having children at Memorial including one in Maymon's grade, he's seen Tim Maymon's behavior on several occasions.
And while he did say he was more comfortable with the attitude issues, he still has said that the academics are a major concern, and did not like the idea that the kid was planning on taking more visits when Memorial only has a few weeks left and he needs to bring his GPA up.
Totally agree on all counts. My mistake on saying "one" incident. I know that there are risks associated with Maymon on grades, and I know that his father has a rep. No one is dismissing these things.
Basically, the kid was screwing up a bunch early on with his grades and some attitude issues... when he was 14 or 15! Do most of us realize exactly how young that is?
I just take umbrage with dennycrane focusing exclusively on the risks and harping on the past actions of a child.
Again, whatever decision Maymon makes is win-win for Marquette.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 24, 2008, 11:00:30 PM
Totally agree on all counts. My mistake on saying "one" incident. I know that there are risks associated with Maymon on grades, and I know that his father has a rep. No one is dismissing these things.
Basically, the kid was screwing up a bunch early on with his grades and some attitude issues... when he was 14 or 15! Do most of us realize exactly how young that is?
I just take umbrage with dennycrane focusing exclusively on the risks and harping on the past actions of a child.
Again, whatever decision Maymon makes is win-win for Marquette.
I made my point early. You have tried to attacked or dismiss that point using several angles. I am defending my opinion. You would like to dismiss any issues that do not fit your argument.
Maymon is the same age as the other recruits from that recruiting pool. All the recruits in that pool will have their actions reviewed by the schools recruiting them. The good and the bad. In Maymon's case there is disagreement at all levels.
To say there is no risk with taking a player like Maymon is being dishonest. There is risk. The question is whether the risk is warranted in this particular case.
This will be Buzz's first recruiting class. He will be making a statement with the players he brings in. I think all issues need to be weighed.
dennycrane - I think it is well known and acknowledged that there are risks with taking any 18 year old. In Maymon's case, the risks are associated with his academics, and possibly his attitude and the possibility of parental overinvolvement. No one has denied this.
With other players the risks might be-can the kid develop into a BE player, is he injury prone, is he athletic enough for MU, can he adjust to college life?
So, any recruit, including Maymon, comes with his own particular brand of questions.
Although there have been innumerabale disagreements on this board over any number of issues, in virtually all cases all opinions have been welcome. You seem to think that your's is receiving extra scrutiny. I disagree.
Quote from: ATWizJr on May 25, 2008, 08:38:06 AM
dennycrane - I think it is well known and acknowledged that there are risks with taking any 18 year old. In Maymon's case, the risks are associated with his academics, and possibly his attitude and the possibility of parental overinvolvement. No one has denied this.
With other players the risks might be-can the kid develop into a BE player, is he injury prone, is he athletic enough for MU, can he adjust to college life?
So, any recruit, including Maymon, comes with his own particular brand of questions.
Although there have been innumerabale disagreements on this board over any number of issues, in virtually all cases all opinions have been welcome. You seem to think that your's is receiving extra scrutiny. I disagree.
My posts are not under more scrutiny. I was accused of "harping" on a particular point. Wanted to address the questions directed toward the posts I made. Not harp.
Quote from: dennycrane on May 25, 2008, 07:43:37 AM
I made my point early. You have tried to attacked or dismiss that point using several angles. I am defending my opinion. You would like to dismiss any issues that do not fit your argument.
Maymon is the same age as the other recruits from that recruiting pool. All the recruits in that pool will have their actions reviewed by the schools recruiting them. The good and the bad. In Maymon's case there is disagreement at all levels.
To say there is no risk with taking a player like Maymon is being dishonest. There is risk. The question is whether the risk is warranted in this particular case.
This will be Buzz's first recruiting class. He will be making a statement with the players he brings in. I think all issues need to be weighed.
Please stop putting words in my mouth, because you are mis-representing my opinion. I have clearly acknowledged the risks associated with Maymon, in fact in the same post you just quoted. Not to mention that you've contradicted yourself twice in this thread... on top of mis-representing my opinion.
If you really feel all issues need to be weighed, then you would present other issues. Instead, you are "harping" only on the negative aspects of Maymon and his father. I have yet to see you present any positive aspects associated with Maymon.
Tuesday is a win-win for MU.
1) he decides to go to Baylor - we can take the holier than thou approach(see crane above)
2) he decides to go with MU - he has a year to get his act together.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on May 25, 2008, 09:36:13 AMIf you really feel all issues need to be weighed, then you would present other issues. Instead, you are "harping" only on the negative aspects of Maymon and his father. I have yet to see you present any positive aspects associated with Maymon.
Readers know what the issues are. The positive is that Maymon is a good basketball player who can help the program win games. The negatives are the things already discussed that you say I am harping on.
People can make their own check list as to what they believe is important when recruiting a student athlete to Marquette.
Quote from: mviale on May 25, 2008, 11:11:31 AM
Tuesday is a win-win for MU.
1) he decides to go to Baylor - we can take the holier than thou approach(see crane above)
2) he decides to go with MU - he has a year to get his act together.
Is this a "holier than thou" approach? Maymon has offers from Baylor and ISU. Not exactly world beaters. Many programs are on the wait and see track with Maymon.
Even by his fathers admission grades are a significant question. What is the rush? Show me the academic commitment and improvement this spring, summer and next fall. Show me Maymon is on a realistic path to academic eligibility.
I am looking at this as Marquette committing a scholarship to Maymon as much as the other way around. A scholarship that could be used on another student athlete in better shape academically. Next spring is Buzz scrambling to fill that spot again?
Is everyone so negative about the kid because if we don't get himyou won't be disappointed? Come on rally together. If Buzz wants the kid why wouldn't we?
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on May 25, 2008, 12:15:07 PM
Is everyone so negative about the kid because if we don't get himyou won't be disappointed? Come on rally together. If Buzz wants the kid why wouldn't we?
Because it's probable he won't ever qualify to play at Marquette.
Because he's been suspended from school for his misbehavior.
Because his father's comments come off as overbearing at times and it adds unneeded baggage to an otherwise risky recruit.
Nola---So you do not trust Buzz's judgement in making the offer?
I have it from very good authority that Maymon's dad gets very involved during games----like running up and down the floor during games hollering out instructions as though he were the coach. How can a coach put up with THAT?
Murf - do you honestly believe he will do that in the Bradley Center?
In regards to his father: There is a HUGE difference between parent involvement in high school basketball and parent involvement in college basketball. I guarantee you his father will not be allowed to run up and down the sidelines during any games at the Bradley Center (or wherever his son is playing his games at in college). I also guarantee you that if we don't "run our offense through Maymon" it will be Jeronne, not Tim, who has to approach the coach if he does not like it. The father will not be a problem in college, and if he is then Maymon will transfer and we'll have his scholarship to give to another player anyway.
In regards to his academics: I remember a guy in 2001 who was a risk to offer a scholarship to because of his academics. He came here and sat out his first year, and then 2 years later led us to the Final Four. He also went on to win the NBA Finals MVP in 2006 and is a very big reason as to why we have been able to keep a high level of basketball at Marquette University. He posted a 3.0 GPA his last semester at Marquette. If nobody understood, it's Dwyane Wade.
Every player is a risk. That's how it is. You can't predict how these players are unless they are the Michael Beasley's or the OJ Mayo's who we don't get, and even they come with risks (just ask USC and the agents who payed Mayo...Beasley had "attitude issues" in high school, he was fine at Kansas State).
Quote from: mviale on May 25, 2008, 02:26:06 PM
Murf - do you honestly believe he will do that in the Bradley Center?
I really don't know-----but the point is that the old man is very intense and supersensitive toward his son's success------and given what i've heard, I wouldn't put anything past him.
Such things as being constantly on the phone badgering the coach-----or seeking him out after a game------
or worse yet feeding the kid all kinds of negativity regarting PT or number of touches.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 25, 2008, 04:18:02 PM
In regards to his academics: I remember a guy in 2001 who was a risk to offer a scholarship to because of his academics. He came here and sat out his first year, and then 2 years later led us to the Final Four. He also went on to win the NBA Finals MVP in 2006 and is a very big reason as to why we have been able to keep a high level of basketball at Marquette University. He posted a 3.0 GPA his last semester at Marquette. If nobody understood, it's Dwyane Wade.
I suspect if the Prop 48 rules (as with Wade) were still in place this would be no issue, especially the large size of the 09 class. They are not and therefore the comparison doesn't apply.
Years ago I was at the Palestra watching Villanova play Syracuse. Low and behold, I was sitting next to the legendary Dolph Schayes and he was watching his son Danny play a tough game against Villanova. After some "questionable" calls against Syracuse, Dolph ran onto the floor to yell at the refs and give them a piece of his mind.
Needless to say, Danny went onto the NBA. I think we could handle the parent of a future NBA player complaining about a game.
Quote from: mviale on May 25, 2008, 08:21:46 PM
Needless to say, Danny went onto the NBA. I think we could handle the parent of a future NBA player complaining about a game.
Who's the future NBA player you write of?
Forget it - the point is we could live with it.
mvaile----D Shayes was out of order but albeit an isolated instance-----but was dolph Schayes on the phone constantly to the coaches about PT and the number of touches his son gets per game? How about the negativity a disgruntled parent can pass on to his son?
The problem with a parent "gone wild" is that it is disruptive and it's a distraction. Even if the kid would turn out to be a super star, it's diminishing returns-----makes it very, very difficult for a coach to build a TEAM!
Looks to me like the father wants his son set up like pete Maravich was at LSU-----troble is this kid doesn't have pete's talent-----and even if he did pete's team was not effective.
Buzz must think he can control the situation and is willing to put up with the father's BS-----huge gamble with perhaps a touch of desperation attached.
Quote from: Murffieus on May 26, 2008, 07:09:43 AM
Looks to me like the father wants his son set up like pete Maravich was at LSU-----troble is this kid doesn't have pete's talent-----and even if he did pete's team was not effective.
In fact, Marivich's father went so far as to act like he was the head coach at LSU. ::)
Murff--agree with you on everything excapt the LSU not being successful reference. LSU played us in the NIT in an era when only conference winners made the NCAA. That Tigers team averaged 90 points per game, sdo the offense must have been pretty good.
P.S. I think Maymon's going to Baylor.
Quote from: Murffieus on May 26, 2008, 07:09:43 AM
Looks to me like the father wants his son set up like pete Maravich was at LSU-----troble is this kid doesn't have pete's talent-----and even if he did pete's team was not effective.
He is not as good as the best college scorer ever and a top 50 all time NBA player? Thanks for the insight.
Quote from: Fullodds on May 26, 2008, 11:24:46 AM
He is not as good as the best college scorer ever and a top 50 all time NBA player? Thanks for the insight.
Not trying to give you any insight on Pete's talent per se----You miss the point, which is that everything flowed through Pete, which hurt the team. First of all it never allowed his teammates to develop, secondly, had to hurt recruiting (who wants to play for a one man team), and finally "one man teams" almost always underachieve.
....like Kansas with Danny Manning..... But in general, you are right for a change, Murf.
What do you mean 'for a change"-----Murf is almost always right.
BTW----why do you reference Manning-----he was very good but hardly a one man team in the sense of pete Maravich!
Tower - your were murfed on that one.
You're right, Murff; that Larry Bird Indiana State team went nowhere.
I think Maymon will pick MU.