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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Cheese_Ed on April 01, 2008, 04:38:49 PM
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Hope they are April Fooling, but it didn't sound like it.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
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was on espnews too.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
Don't worry, we've NEVER had anything but quality candidates the last 30 plus years....it will be easy to get another guy in here.
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won't happen
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My ESPN MVP alerts from Verizon Wireless says that according to Andy Katz, TC has accepted the Indiana job. God, I hope it's a joke!
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
Don't worry, we've NEVER had anything but quality candidates the last 30 plus years....it will be easy to get another guy in here.
I agree!
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Be aware that it was Andy Katz reporting. What would his batting average be on Crean?
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3324439
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What about the love that Joanie has for Milwaukee? She wouldn't allow this to happen!
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i was just at the Al, Katz is nuts.
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Hate to say it, but this doesn't look good.
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Yeah right -- Crean loves the "three amigos" too much to leave them before their senior year.
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Yeah right -- Crean loves the "three amigos" too much to leave them before their senior year.
hey why dont you f*ck off for a bit. i know you just came in your boxers but back off. Christ.
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Excellent, so now if the team sucks next year PRN can completely just disappear.
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This puts a big question mark on all of the incoming recruits. This sucks! I feel betrayed, upset, and confused.
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I'm praying for a Les Miles like situation.
I do not want to lose this guy.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
Don't worry, we've NEVER had anything but quality candidates the last 30 plus years....it will be easy to get another guy in here.
I agree!
Except that we've had nothing but less than stellar coaches in that timeframe so it shoots your theory to hell
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Does MU counter now? Crean hasn't signed anything with IU yet, this seems like the kind of thing he has done in the past -- use this as an opportunity for more $$$$
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What the unnatural carnal knowledge
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Does MU counter now? Crean hasn't signed anything with IU yet, this seems like the kind of thing he has done in the past -- use this as an opportunity for more $$$$
No it doesn't. Please when has it ever been on every espn show and on the front page of espn? When have they called a press conferecne or submitted a formal letter. Your are making $h!t up..
This sucks, it sucks bad.
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Crean isn't going anywhere until he breaks Al's victory record!
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This makes too much sense, and there is too much smoke. Crean is exactly what they need, and I have no doubt they were willing/able to back up the truck given the present state of their program. Been a nice ride, but I am afraid it is probably over. A shame, but hopefully we will be alright.
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I don't want to say anything I'll regret before this is official, but if it is, then it's a tragic event. A very, very bad thing could be happening/have happened to Marquette basketball.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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Let me also be perfectly willing to criticize Crean if this does in fact turn out to be true. MU made an unprecedented financial commitment to him. The ink is barely dry on the extension he signed through 2017 for crying out loud. Yet, he is willing to walk away from that. I understand that's the way it works, but its also incredibly weak. MU did not have to do that, but they did? How does he repay them? If he had 3 years left, 4 years left, that's another story, but he has 9 years left on a huge contract that has made him one of the highest paid coaches in the country the past several years. Weak, weak weak!
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This hurts a lot. It's open season on our recruits for next year and McNeal and James are that much less likely to return.
I was beginning to think this day wouldn't come. Hate to see him go, but I don't blame him. He may struggle for a couple years with sanctions, but Indiana is a great job in the long run. He left the basketball program in much, much better shape than he found it. Let's hope we can parlay that into a great replacement for him.
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http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N303FZ
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I hope coach Crean stays. But if we need a replacement, maybe they can bring back Kevin O'Neill: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3324436
Sad day.
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i feel sick
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
You've never been happier have you....sad.
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Let me also be perfectly willing to criticize Crean if this does in fact turn out to be true. MU made an unprecedented financial commitment to him. The ink is barely dry on the extension he signed through 2017 for crying out loud. Yet, he is willing to walk away from that. I understand that's the way it works, but its also incredibly weak. MU did not have to do that, but they did? How does he repay them? If he had 3 years left, 4 years left, that's another story, but he has 9 years left on a huge contract that has made him one of the highest paid coaches in the country the past several years. Weak, weak weak!
You hit the nail on the head. Like I said in another thread...I feel betrayed.
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I feel betrayed.
i feel sick
as do I....
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Let me also be perfectly willing to criticize Crean if this does in fact turn out to be true. MU made an unprecedented financial commitment to him. The ink is barely dry on the extension he signed through 2017 for crying out loud. Yet, he is willing to walk away from that. I understand that's the way it works, but its also incredibly weak. MU did not have to do that, but they did? How does he repay them? If he had 3 years left, 4 years left, that's another story, but he has 9 years left on a huge contract that has made him one of the highest paid coaches in the country the past several years. Weak, weak weak!
Don't go all west virgina on us. Why would it matter if he has 3 or 8. He had the right to leave if he felt it was best for him, I'm sure MU has been aware of the possibility.
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definitely feel betrayed.
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ESPN just confirmed and said its done. Press Conference tommorow.
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All I know is that f-ing Cottingham better bring in an established coach. I hated the fact they brought in that used-car salesman to be full time AD - despite the fact he's never hired a big-time coach.
This could have disaster written all over it. O.K. Steve...step up, or step out. You f this up, you not only lose recruits, James, and/or McNeal, but you lose attendance and donations and interest.
And anyone that wants Kevin O'Neal here is a sap. That guy is a bum. That's like the Michigan people that are all bent out of shape because they didn't hire a "Michigan man". Everyone always wants to stay in the comfort zone (see Majerus, O'Neal requests from people on here).
They should look at:
Miller - Xavier
Kruger - UNLV
Lavin
And...they need to get someone hired soon. Clocks ticking Cottingham. You better not f it up!
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All I know is that f-ing Cottingham better bring in an established coach. I hated the fact they brought in that used-car salesman to be full time AD - despite the fact he's never hired a big-time coach.
This could have disaster written all over it. O.K. Steve...step up, or step out. You f this up, you not only lose recruits, James, and/or McNeal, but you lose attendance and donations and interest.
And anyone that wants Kevin O'Neal here is a sap. That guy is a bum. That's like the Michigan people that are all bent out of shape because they didn't hire a "Michigan man". Everyone always wants to stay in the comfort zone (see Majerus, O'Neal requests from people on here).
They should look at:
Miller - Xavier
Kruger - UNLV
Lavin
And...they need to get someone hired soon. Clocks ticking Cottingham. You better not f it up!
I agree. Majerus and O'Neill are a joke. The program is at a different level than it was when they hired Crean and should be looking to stay on that level.
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Agreed- O'Neill is a BUM
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Yes!
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I would say thay we should try to hire someone who would want to stay here and not just try to "move up the ladder," but what's the point now? If we can't get this guy to stay with all we've done and all the mutual things that have happened through the 9 YEARS, then we might as well just try to get the best possible and have him move on in 3-5 years too.
Rest assured, if you offer Sean Miller and he accepts he will be gone the next time a "better" offer comes along.
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Lavin
He couldn't succeed at UCLA. You don't even have to show up to win at UCLA. Keep him way far away from here.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
Man, I feel bad for you. We all know your feelings. But you choose this moment to prove that you don't have a single ounce of class in your body.
You all got your wish. Ran him right out of the program. We'll see where we head from here.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
You all got your wish. Ran him right out of the program. We'll see where we head from here.
This is jujst s stupid comment. Nobody here had anything to do with what happened. MU more than took care of the guy and he chose to leave.
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If it's true, we'll never set another attendance record.
You all got your wish. Ran him right out of the program. We'll see where we head from here.
This is jujst s stupid comment. Nobody here had anything to do with what happened. MU more than took care of the guy and he chose to leave.
Look around. Most people on right now are celebrating. And those voices (not just message boarders) were getting louder and louder every year. I personally defended him seemingly every day of every season. You can claim that doesn't play a part. No one will know the answer to that.
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Look around. Most people on right now are celebrating. And those voices (not just message boarders) were getting louder and louder every year. I personally defended him seemingly every day of every season. You can claim that doesn't play a part. No one will know the answer to that.
Get real! There are about 300 people on MUScoop right now. I've read posts from EXACTLY 2 people celebrating - PRN and 4ever.
A far cry from "most".
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Look around. Most people on right now are celebrating. And those voices (not just message boarders) were getting louder and louder every year. I personally defended him seemingly every day of every season. You can claim that doesn't play a part. No one will know the answer to that.
Get real! There are about 300 people on MUScoop right now. I've read posts from EXACTLY 2 people celebrating - PRN and 4ever.
A far cry from "most".
With all due respect, you may want to look again. There are entire threads with "don't let the door hit you on the way out" sentiment.
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Look around. Most people on right now are celebrating. And those voices (not just message boarders) were getting louder and louder every year. I personally defended him seemingly every day of every season. You can claim that doesn't play a part. No one will know the answer to that.
Get real! There are about 300 people on MUScoop right now. I've read posts from EXACTLY 2 people celebrating - PRN and 4ever.
A far cry from "most".
With all due respect, you may want to look again. There are entire threads with "don't let the door hit you on the way out" sentiment.
Selective perception I guess.
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It's interesting looking back at threads like these now. Makes this year and the status of the program under Buzz seem sweeter.
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Yeah...thanks for bumping this. The one thing we don't discuss often enough here is Tom Crean.
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Yeah...thanks for bumping this. The one thing we don't discuss often enough here is Tom Crean.
Not intended to compare Buzz & Crean... more of a pleasant feeling on the confidence in the program a few years after what appeared at the time to be imminent decline in the program.
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Someone was way off on Lavin
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Someone was way off on Lavin
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Someone was way off on Lavin
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I notice no one pointed out my folly 3 years ago...
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Speaking of Lavin...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/04/08/steve.lavin.cancer.ap/index.html?eref=sihp
Lavin has prostate cancer, will continue coaching St. John's
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PRN's "we'll never set another State of Wisconsin attendance record" line is still funny today.
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Phil Jackson was an assistant before unexpectedly getting his first big time HC gig. Sometimes people just need a chance and their star rises.
Buzz Williams has seen his star rise after getting their chance.
Similarly, sometimes people get their chance and then blow it. Sometimes people's star dims because of bad choices.Tom Crean is 28-66 at Indiana University. This past year his team lost 10 of its last 11 games.
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Crean probably has to get to the Elite Eight by Cody Zeller's junior year at minimum. Might even have to be the Final Four. Otherwise, they might finally ask Brad Stevens to come a few miles south.
No more excuses for Crean in my opinion. It actually seems so long ago that he was here.
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I have been told by a reliable source that the boosters at IU feel that Crean has 2 more years or they want a change. Keep in mind this is from the boosters' perspective, not the University's. But we all know the influence boosters can have within programs. In any event, take it for what it is worth.
Common sense alone would dictate that he won't get forever to bring the program around. And with the emergence of Butler, I think the job is even harder than before. Indiana U is behind Butler and Purdue as a marquee program in the state of Indiana right now.
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I am far from being a Tom Crean fan but he took over a program that was dumb enough to hire a guy previous to Crean who had baggage from Oklahoma and then expects Crean to recruit effectively right away. It doesn't quite happen that way. Actually, look at Oklahoma's program as a prime example with Samson then Capel both trouble makers. That is not a very attractive for anyone to coach or go play at right now!
Crean has a very solid class and will build off of it. He still can't coach worth a darn though and maybe that is what catches up with him.
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I am far from being a Tom Crean fan but he took over a program that was dumb enough to hire a guy previous to Crean who had baggage from Oklahoma and then expects Crean to recruit effectively right away. It doesn't quite happen that way. Actually, look at Oklahoma's program as a prime example with Samson then Capel both trouble makers. That is not a very attractive for anyone to coach or go play at right now!
Crean has a very solid class and will build off of it. He still can't coach worth a darn though and maybe that is what catches up with him.
I, too, am not a fan, mainly because of the chickensh*t way he left MU. He has had an awesome recruiting class, and looks like he is following up with another. If you are an IU fan with any perspective, you gotta be excited. In game coaching still an issue. Usually had a good game plan to start, but failed miserably at in game adjustments.
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Let. It. Go.
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Let. It. Go.
Dude. He was our coach for 9 years. There will be interest, for at least as long as he is coaching high D1 basketball. I am tired of the Buzz vs Crean stuff too, but commentary with a semblance of balance is interesting. A good punch line is always appreciated too.
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I've always said that Crean's hire was primarily to lessen the penalty from NCAA; then, to rouse the fanbase, recruit solidly, and get the program back on track.
He's definitely not going to be a lifer at IU if his top ranked teams don't win in the next three years. What can extend his term at IU would be getting to the NCAAs in the next two years.
Creek's injury was a big blow to Crean, as was the transfer of Jordan Crawford.
So was the transfer of Nick Williams.
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Let. It. Go.
agree totally. aren't we over this yet?
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I, too, am not a fan, mainly because of the chickensh*t way he left MU. He has had an awesome recruiting class, and looks like he is following up with another. If you are an IU fan with any perspective, you gotta be excited. In game coaching still an issue. Usually had a good game plan to start, but failed miserably at in game adjustments.
This ^
But what bugs many far more than his lack of coaching ability is the lack of player development. Nobody is really getting any better, and the big men are getting worse.
And then acknowledge the fact that all 3 of his teams at IU thus far have quit on him and you have a very unhappy fan base. Excuse time is over, he needs to show something next season or his seat will get red hot.
D Wade made this man a lot of money, I hope Crean is sending him a XMas card every year.
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Common sense alone would dictate that he won't get forever to bring the program around. And with the emergence of Butler, I think the job is even harder than before. Indiana U is behind Butler and Purdue as a marquee program in the state of Indiana right now.
I think you can add Notre Dame to that list, too.
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I think you can add Notre Dame to that list, too.
Absolutely. Didn't mean to slight ND. Even with a bad outcome in this year's tournament, Brey has that program in great shape.
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Don't forget the Sycamores.
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Don't forget the Sycamores.
The Sycamores made the tournament, if I remember correctly.
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They did. That was half in jest, half serious.
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Dude. He was our coach for 9 years. There will be interest, for at least as long as he is coaching high D1 basketball. I am tired of the Buzz vs Crean stuff too, but commentary with a semblance of balance is interesting. A good punch line is always appreciated too.
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Cain, the man injected himself into every MU conversation during his 9 years. He made it all about him.
Pardon us if we continue to honor his wishes and keep talking about him. He made himself bigger than the program, the downside is a few fans will forever take shots at him. Deal with it. With TC, being the coach wasn't enough. He created the monster.
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Can we just sticky this topic and merge all new Crean-based posts to it? I'd clean up the boards.
To keep on topic; I think that if Crean stayed at MU we'd have at least 3 new banners at the BC. How many banners has Buzz put up?!!?
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To keep on topic; I think that if Crean stayed at MU we'd have at least 3 new banners at the BC. How many banners has Buzz put up?!!?
Yes. Three more "Great Alaskan Shootout" banners.
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Yes. Three more "Great Alaskan Shootout" banners.
Thank you for explaining the joke :P
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PRN's "we'll never set another State of Wisconsin attendance record" line is still funny today.
Probably accurate, too
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Crean probably has to get to the Elite Eight by Cody Zeller's junior year at minimum. Might even have to be the Final Four. Otherwise, they might finally ask Brad Stevens to come a few miles south.
No more excuses for Crean in my opinion. It actually seems so long ago that he was here.
You continue to crack me up. You have no clue on this...absolutely NO CLUE. IU has never said you need to get to a certain level in the NCAA tournament or you're gone. You just have no CLUE how IU works. I'm sorry, but you don't.
If Crean consistently goes to the NCAA tournament, graduates players, keeps their noses clean and has several solid runs per decade he will be hanging around. People forget that Knight had plenty of "off years" when he didn't make the Elite 8...hell, years he made the NIT only.
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In game coaching still an issue. Usually had a good game plan to start, but failed miserably at in game adjustments.
And this is different from the current staff....how?
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How can this be, 3 consecutive defend Tom Crean posts, with one slight of the current coaching staff's ability to make in game adjustments? At least we made a Sweet 16 this year without having a lottery pick on our roster - something Tom Crean has yet to accomplish in his 12 years as a head coach. Must be some decent coaching/in game adjustments and game plans going on currently....
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Ners, do you think our staff made good in game adjustments this year? It's been one of the biggest complaints all season long.
I wonder how many Final Fours Dean Smith made without future NBA guys on his team? Or Coach K? Or John Wooden? This just in, great players usually mean success in the NCAA tournament. Aren't you glad the man you hate more than any landed that kid and also brought Buzz to MU? It must conflict you so....like getting getting divorced and despising your ex but knowing she gave you a child you love. ;D
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Can we just sticky this topic and merge all new Crean-based posts to it? I'd clean up the boards.
To keep on topic; I think that if Crean stayed at MU we'd have at least 3 new banners at the BC. How many banners has Buzz put up?!!?
Hell, we'd have far more than 3 new banners. Crean got a blue light deal at Kmart on banners. Went through them like toilet paper. And, that's about what his self promotion was worth.
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You continue to crack me up. You have no clue on this...absolutely NO CLUE. IU has never said you need to get to a certain level in the NCAA tournament or you're gone. You just have no CLUE how IU works. I'm sorry, but you don't.
If Crean consistently goes to the NCAA tournament, graduates players, keeps their noses clean and has several solid runs per decade he will be hanging around. People forget that Knight had plenty of "off years" when he didn't make the Elite 8...hell, years he made the NIT only.
I know for a FACT that this is not true.
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You continue to crack me up. You have no clue on this...absolutely NO CLUE. IU has never said you need to get to a certain level in the NCAA tournament or you're gone. You just have no CLUE how IU works. I'm sorry, but you don't.
If Crean consistently goes to the NCAA tournament, graduates players, keeps their noses clean and has several solid runs per decade he will be hanging around. People forget that Knight had plenty of "off years" when he didn't make the Elite 8...hell, years he made the NIT only.
I think with his recent "elite" recruiting success he will get there...but some of the natives are very restless on the way his teams are finishing the season. This blog piece caused quite a stir in Hoosier Nation--pro and con.
http://indiana.sbnation.com/indiana-hoosiers/2011/3/12/2046155/opinion-time-to-start-re-thinking-crimson-and-crean-basketball-at
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Ners, do you think our staff made good in game adjustments this year? It's been one of the biggest complaints all season long.
I wonder how many Final Fours Dean Smith made without future NBA guys on his team? Or Coach K? Or John Wooden? This just in, great players usually mean success in the NCAA tournament. Aren't you glad the many you hate more than any landed that kid and also brought Buzz to MU? It must conflict you so....like getting getting divorced and despising your ex but knowing she gave you a child you love. ;D
I do agree that talent and players are about 80-90% responsible for the results a team has, and coaching 10-20%. A good "coach" must be able to land/recruit good talent - that is the foundation for everything. But I'd also submit that Dom James, Jerel McNeal, Wes Matthews and Lazar Hayward were great players, yet they had very limited success in the NCAA tourney...
And lastly, I do not hate Tom Crean AT ALL - what I hate is how you defend the hell out of him, yet are pretty darn critical of our current coach. Think we've been over this 1,000 times. The reality is that, though you make the occasional..I like Buzz..I think he's a nice man, and has done a good job - type of post....they are signficiantly outnumbered by critical posts.
As for in game adjustments - I tend to think that playing in the top league in the country where a 9-9 team can go on to win the national championship...lends itself to "you can't win them all" and some night syou are just going to get beat by VERY good teams. Other nights you beat very good teams..
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And lastly, I do not hate Tom Crean AT ALL - what I hate is how you defend the hell out of him, yet are pretty darn critical of our current coach. Think we've been over this 1,000 times. The reality is that, though you make the occasional..I like Buzz..I think he's a nice man, and has done a good job - type of post....they are signficiantly outnumbered by critical posts.
Careful. Chico will commission his "fair and balanced" auditor (Marquette84) to "prove" that most of his posts about Buzz are positive. LOL
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Isn't anyone watching the Masters?
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Isn't anyone watching the Masters?
Right?
Or get outside, enjoy a beer.
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Don't you old folks have internet on your phones?
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And this is different from the current staff....how?
And here I thought you got lost Chicos.
Sweet 16 still stuck in your craw?
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You continue to crack me up. You have no clue on this...absolutely NO CLUE. IU has never said you need to get to a certain level in the NCAA tournament or you're gone. You just have no CLUE how IU works. I'm sorry, but you don't.
If Crean consistently goes to the NCAA tournament, graduates players, keeps their noses clean and has several solid runs per decade he will be hanging around. People forget that Knight had plenty of "off years" when he didn't make the Elite 8...hell, years he made the NIT only.
If you recruit the players that Crean is recruiting and just make the tournament and graduate players then they are seriously underacheiving. If they invest all that money in him then they should want different results. If they accept mediocrity then they have created a culture of complacency over there. If you have some sort of inside knowledge about Indiana's athletic department and its expectations now then great. But I guarantee you things can change. Its good that their fans and administration are patient but that can run out and change very quickly.
Knight having a few bad seasons is not a direct comparison. Knight is a proven commodity. Crean still has not proven anything remotely close to Knight. You road buzz all season and questioned hiring someone like him. It shouldn't be a reach for you to be suspicious about Crean handling the big time over there.
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You continue to crack me up. You have no clue on this...absolutely NO CLUE. IU has never said you need to get to a certain level in the NCAA tournament or you're gone. You just have no CLUE how IU works. I'm sorry, but you don't.
If Crean consistently goes to the NCAA tournament, graduates players, keeps their noses clean and has several solid runs per decade he will be hanging around. People forget that Knight had plenty of "off years" when he didn't make the Elite 8...hell, years he made the NIT only.
IU fans are TIRED of LOSING... Crean has cried about players with no talent and no heart for 3 years now. (players he recruited by the way) And now he is landing talent, you really think IU fan will be happy with "a few solid runs?" IU fan expects BANNERS, and if Crean has another losing season next year I really think he could be in trouble. Most likely he will get to 2012 but if they lay another egg like last year??????? Crean won't be "SAFE" until he hangs number 6.
Oh and by the way the General only missed the NCAA tourney ONE time after the tourney expanded from 32. And the year he didn't make it was one of only 2 years at IU he had a losing record in conference. And they were NIT runner up that year.
Knight set a very high bar at IU.... being average won't get it done. And last place in the Big Ten sure as hell won't.
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Crean won't be "SAFE" until he hangs number 6.
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I know for a FACT that this is not true.
Oh really. So there is a requirement that he has to go to the Elite 8 or Final Four or he will be fired. You guys crack me up. Bob Knight goes 6 straight years without even getting out of the 2nd round....in another 6 year stint where he not only didn't get to the Elite 8, in one of those years he went to the NIT and in another year in that six year streak didn't make any tournament at all.
This notion that he has to get to the Elite 8 in a few years is such a bunch of crock it's incredible. IU has gone many years consecutively not only NOT reaching the Elite 8 but not even getting to the Sweet 16....no one was fired and they aren't going to start now if he gets them to the NCAAs in a regular fashion. Some of you are thinking with your tainted hearts or relying on a 15% fringe message board fan base, not on reality.
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I do agree that talent and players are about 80-90% responsible for the results a team has, and coaching 10-20%. A good "coach" must be able to land/recruit good talent - that is the foundation for everything. But I'd also submit that Dom James, Jerel McNeal, Wes Matthews and Lazar Hayward were great players, yet they had very limited success in the NCAA tourney...
And lastly, I do not hate Tom Crean AT ALL - what I hate is how you defend the hell out of him, yet are pretty darn critical of our current coach. Think we've been over this 1,000 times. The reality is that, though you make the occasional..I like Buzz..I think he's a nice man, and has done a good job - type of post....they are signficiantly outnumbered by critical posts.
As for in game adjustments - I tend to think that playing in the top league in the country where a 9-9 team can go on to win the national championship...lends itself to "you can't win them all" and some night syou are just going to get beat by VERY good teams. Other nights you beat very good teams..
Oh good God. You are wrong. Most of my posts are not critical of Buzz. Put me on ignore then ners, it's quite easy. I only "defend" Crean to show the hypocrisy here and you don't like it. The same mistakes made by Crean were made by KO, Majerus, Buzz but are treated differently...I point out your hypocrisy and others and it gets you all spun up. Too bad! Don't like it, don't read it....but don't expect anything less. If you're going to be a hypocrite, which you are in spades, I'm going to point it out again and again and again.
As for success in the tournament...how did Buzz do with those same players listed above in the NCAAs? Interesting. (You'll say that's a negative post....I call it showing what a hypocrite you are and giving you factual evidence).
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IU fans are TIRED of LOSING... Crean has cried about players with no talent and no heart for 3 years now. (players he recruited by the way) And now he is landing talent, you really think IU fan will be happy with "a few solid runs?" IU fan expects BANNERS, and if Crean has another losing season next year I really think he could be in trouble. Most likely he will get to 2012 but if they lay another egg like last year??????? Crean won't be "SAFE" until he hangs number 6.
Oh and by the way the General only missed the NCAA tourney ONE time after the tourney expanded from 32. And the year he didn't make it was one of only 2 years at IU he had a losing record in conference. And they were NIT runner up that year.
Knight set a very high bar at IU.... being average won't get it done. And last place in the Big Ten sure as hell won't.
No one disagrees that last place won't get it done, no one here is suggesting that. The "General", like Tom Crean, missed the NCAAs ENTIRELY after a Final Four....only worse, the General did it coming off a National Title. I got to work for the General for one year as a grad assistant. It was quite wild to say the least.
Of course they will have to start winning more...that's a no brainer. However, the folks in the athletic department and the university have a decidedly different perspective than you and your 15% of fringe lunatics on the message boards right now.
If he has a losing season next year, yes he will be in trouble. He should NOT have a losing season next year so I don't particularly think it's an issue. Then again, IU has had some bad luck with key injuries the last few years which will have to stop at some point.
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And this is different from the current staff....how?
How is this different from most every coaching staff? I agree with you, I just love how this criticism is applied to almost every coach. Seems it is mostly fan assumption.
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Considering this is a topic dug up from a few years ago, and has now turned into what seems like a re-run, I'm gonna apply the padlock...